Christian Conservative Politicians

[clirus]

Wow. Just wow.

My cousins are fundamentalist Christians who I strongly suspect are convinced I’m going to burn in hell… but they are kind, loving, generous people. This screed is just an abomination.

I’m normally dead set against violence, war and the death penalty.
However if a government with these kind of attitudes came to power in my country, they had better hope that their god will protect them in the afterlife, because nothing would protect them from me if they came for my friends and family.

Maybe you are right and maybe you are wrong. But there is hell to pay if you are wrong.

I do not believe you have to worry about physical violence from Christians.

Sometimes Christians do really go too far in their concern about a person spending an eternity in hell.

Christians need to realize that even Jesus was only about 33 % effective in conversions.

The people at Waco had purchased guns to defend themselves, it was the government that came after them.

It is Republican that support gun rights and the democrats that oppose people having guns.

Interesting that democrats oppose gun rights but support inappropriate contentography, abortion and homosexuality.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

I do not believe you have to worry about physical violence from Christians.

Hmmm.. do 'whatever it takes' you say... actually yes, if you (per)version of the 'Christian Lifestyle' is implemented in your version of a 'Christian Nation', I say that a lot of people have to fear physical violence from apparent Christians.

Interesting that democrats oppose gun rights but support inappropriate contentography, abortion and homosexuality.

Not all Democrats support those things.

 

[SOAD]

Interesting that democrats oppose gun rights but support inappropriate contentography, abortion and homosexuality.

Interesting that republicans (claim to) oppose inappropriate contentography, abortion and homosexuality yet readily use all three. hypocrites

 

[jayem]

The good things of the Bible can be perverted into evil.

To paraphrase Mark Twain, it's not what I don't understand in the Bible that bothers me. It's the parts I do understand. Just a sample:

"Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live." Ex. 22:18. Has lead to the murder of innocent people who had the bad luck of being odd, non-comforming, or mentally ill.

"Cursed be Canaan. A servant of servants shall he be unto his brethren." Gen.9:25. Was used for ages to justify slavery of Africans.

"And the people anwered and said, 'His blood be upon us and our children.'" Matt. 27:25. Reponsible for the charge of deicide against Jews, along with centuries of vicious anti-Semitism.

"He that is not with me is against me, and he that gathereth with me not scattereth abroad." Matt. 12:30. The reason why non-believers have been thought to be wicked and dangerous. A view to which you seem to suscribe.

"For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears." 2 Tim 4:3. One of many passages rationalizing supression of heterodoxy, and persecution of supposed "heretics."

History shows clearly that the Bible has been used by sanctimonius zealots to put a veneer of righteousness on their own evil and lust for power. And they can do it, not by perverting the text, but by following it.

 

[clirus]

jayem quote

"Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live." Ex. 22:18. Has lead to the murder of innocent people who had the bad luck of being odd, non-comforming, or mentally ill.

Response

There is nothing wrong with the Bible, just the people that use the Bible. The Bible is used by both Christians and Atheists.

Do you really thing a witch should be allowed to live?

You can say that Christians are not very smart and frequently are over zealous in their interpretation of the Bible, but that does not prove the Bible is wrong.

I even believe worst Christian is better that the best Atheists.

Atheism has led to there being two million deaths per year due to the AIDS of homosexuality, a 40% illegitimacy rate of child births, an impossible health care/welfare mess, etc.

Christianity may have its faults, but there is nothing good about Atheism.

When compared to perfection, Christians do not look good, but when compared to Atheists, they look like saints. Without the propaganda of the Atheistic Liberal News Media, Atheists would be considered a health hazard.

 

[clirus]

Hmmm.. do 'whatever it takes' you say... actually yes, if you (per)version of the 'Christian Lifestyle' is implemented in your version of a 'Christian Nation', I say that a lot of people have to fear physical violence from apparent Christians.



Not all Democrats support those things.

Only if they are convicted of being evil by a jury or congress declares war on them.

 

[Nathan Poe]

jayem quote

"Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live." Ex. 22:18. Has lead to the murder of innocent people who had the bad luck of being odd, non-comforming, or mentally ill.

Response

There is nothing wrong with the Bible, just the people that use the Bible. The Bible is used by both Christians and Atheists.

I would say the Bible is used far more by Christians.

Do you really thing a witch should be allowed to live?

Do you have the guts to kill one yourself?

You can say that Christians are not very smart and frequently are over zealous in their interpretation of the Bible, but that does not prove the Bible is wrong.

Depends on how many people get murdered in its name.

With a number in the tens of millions -- and counting -- I see no reason not to question it.

I even believe worst Christian is better that the best Atheists.

You would believe that -- but it doesn't make you anywhere close to right.

Atheism has led to there being two million deaths per year due to the AIDS of homosexuality, a 40% illegitimacy rate of child births, an impossible health care/welfare mess, etc.

And you blame Atheism for all that -- how sad.

Christianity may have its faults, but there is nothing good about Atheism.

It keeps me away from superstition, ignorance, and bigotry -- that's good enough for me.

When compared to perfection, Christians do not look good, but when compared to Atheists, they look like saints.

you don't.

Without the propaganda of the Atheistic Liberal News Media, Atheists would be considered a health hazard.

Boo hoo. What are you going to do about it?

(p.s. DRINK!)

 

[jayem]

Do you really thing a witch should be allowed to live?

Do you really think there is such a thing as a witch, who possesses supernatural powers? It just astounds me that anyone in the 21st Century could believe this.

You can say that Christians are not very smart and frequently are over zealous in their interpretation of the Bible, but that does not prove the Bible is wrong.

I think modern astronomy, biology, and geology prove that quite adequately. But in any event, if the Bible doesn't make Christians better persons, what good is it?

 

[TheNewWorldMan]

Do you really thing a witch should be allowed to live?

Hey Clirus, if you ever did seize power, I'd lay ten-to-one odds all of a sudden hundreds of thousands of people would be "discovered" to be witches. The definition of "witchcraft" would be so elastic as to put Gumby to shame.

 

[TheNewWorldMan]

Will the ride lead to heaven or hell? What are the percentages?

Should Christians provide cars for the Atheists?

Should Christians defend their cars from the Atheists?

Statement of Atheistic Principles, "I prayed to god for a bicycle, after a while I stole a bicycle and payed to god for forgiveness."

Is this what passes for a rebuttal in your universe?

 

[Nathan Poe]

Maybe you are right and maybe you are wrong. But there is hell to pay if you are wrong.

I do not believe you have to worry about physical violence from Christians.

That would be a first.

Sometimes Christians do really go too far in their concern about a person spending an eternity in hell.

Christians need to realize that even Jesus was only about 33 % effective in conversions.

Threaten people with hell and the number drops to about .05%

The people at Waco had purchased guns to defend themselves, it was the government that came after them.

Defend themselves from what, may I ask?

It is Republican that support gun rights and the democrats that oppose people having guns.

I'm a democrat, and I've got no problems with gun ownership.

Wrong again, clirus.

Interesting that democrats oppose gun rights but support inappropriate contentography, abortion and homosexuality.

Still wrong, clirus.

 

[Shemjaza]

I noticed that you are here registered on these forums as an Atheist, a supporter of the Greens, and you stand against war and the death penalty. Absent a few other qualities, you represent exactly what Clirus considers to be an 'Atheistic Lifestyle'. Indeed, many Christians possess those same qualities that Clirus considers to be Atheistic in nature. Doesn't it strike you as odd then that your 'Atheistic Lifestyle' seems so much more humane than Clirus' 'Christian Lifestyle' which incorporates: doing 'whatever it takes' to win in a military campaign; extending charity to the 'widows and orphans of fellow Christians' only; and 'let[ing] them suffer' so they convert to Christianity? Hang on... that isn't a Christian lifestyle at all!

Yeah, it’s sad.

I may not be a Christian and disagree with many teachings in the bible, but my experience with most Christians is that the teachings of Jesus have inspired them to be better people. (I personally think that these good people would have been good kind folk without their god).

I don’t assume that all Christians are like Clirus in return I’d like them not to assume that all Atheists are like Stalin.

Maybe you are right and maybe you are wrong. But there is hell to pay if you are wrong.

I do not believe you have to worry about physical violence from Christians.

Sometimes Christians do really go too far in their concern about a person spending an eternity in hell.

Christians need to realize that even Jesus was only about 33 % effective in conversions.

Your kind of Christian is danger to us all.

I’m an atheist and from your comments I’m convinced that if you had the power you would bring violence to me.

My sister is a lesbian and some of my best friends have lived in polyamorous families and had children out of wedlock.

Not to mention that if I ever have any children I won’t allow them to be indoctrinated to think evolution is false or their aunt and father are evil.

The people at Waco had purchased guns to defend themselves, it was the government that came after them.

It is Republican that support gun rights and the democrats that oppose people having guns.

Interesting that democrats oppose gun rights but support inappropriate contentography, abortion and homosexuality.

Personally I don’t like guns and I don’t like people to have guns. But I think one of the prices of freedom is putting up with other people doing things you don’t like.

I resent people who think it’s reasonable for them to be free to own dangerous weapons but somehow think it’s reasonable to restrict who other people have sex with or what other people smoke.

(Now please give me a pleasant surprise and don’t launch into an idiotic comparison of homosexuality and child molestation. Children are not consenting adults and shouldn’t be treated as such.)

 

[tanzanos]

It seems that Clirus is preaching but not doing. That is Hypocrisy! Clirus do you have Children? Do you Eat pork? do you own a credit card? Do you pay interest? etc. etc. I can prove you are not worthy of the Lord; simply by using the Bible.

But I forgot; Clirus is not a Christian and most likely a troll!

 

[TheNewWorldMan]

But I forgot; Clirus is not a Christian and most likely a troll!

Be careful...in this corner of cyberspace, you cannot question someone's faith, and you cannot call anyone a troll.

Advocating genocide, however, is quite acceptable, near as I can tell!

 

[tanzanos]

Be careful...in this corner of cyberspace, you cannot question someone's faith, and you cannot call anyone a troll.

Advocating genocide, however, is quite acceptable, near as I can tell!

questioning the morals of atheists is also acceptable here.

I totally agree with you on this one. I do however feel that people like Clirus give Christianity a very bad image when he says that it is better to be a bad person so long as one is a Christian than it is to be a good person and an atheist.
Personally I believe that most people here; whether Religious or not; are decent people who lead a good life. We are here to debate and not to advocate hate!

 

[Archaeopteryx]

I don’t assume that all Christians are like Clirus in return I’d like them not to assume that all Atheists are like Stalin.

Unfortunately, Clirus may be prone to that assumption. She classifies any form of Socialism as a component of the 'Atheistic Lifestyle'; never mind the fact that there are many Christian Socialists and even Centrists who are willing to embrace mild Socialism, and never mind that there are many Atheists more keen upon Capitalism. Clirus prefers, however, to establish these false dichotomies of Christian Capitalist Creationists (CCC may we call them?) vs. Atheists, Socialists, evolutionary theorist and even the most basic of feminists.

Not to mention that if I ever have any children I won’t allow them to be indoctrinated to think evolution is false or their aunt and father are evil.

I don't understand how people can demand to have Creationism taught in SCIENCE classes. It does not belong in a Science class, and teaching it in such a class would simply raise objections not only from the teachers, but the students themselves (provided they are permitted to question). Leave Creationism where it belongs - in Religious Education classes and leave Science to the scientists.

 

[clirus]

Killing the Messenger

Those who hate the message, always attempt to kill the messenger in the hope that will kill the message. I guess that is the last resort of those who have lost the debate.

Many Christians have cowered under such pressure, but I see no need for that.

I see no need to insult individuals, but individuals need to know what the Bible says. Atheists seem to think there disbelief in God and killing the messenger, will somehow make God will leave them alone.

Should Atheists fear God?

Romans 6:23 states, "For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord."

Romans 12:19 states, "Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord."

As I look at the world, I see two million deaths per year due to AIDS, millions of babies killed by abortion, the misery of 40% of the children being in poverty because of fornication, a 50% divorce rate that is nothing less than confusion for all those involved.

Many would like to blame the misery of the world on Bush, but the world is become even more miserable under Obama. The problem is not Bush or Obama, but a world that has turned its back on God.

I do believe the wages of sin is death, and that Atheists need to fear God, even if they are successful at killing me.

If you don't like what I say, just say that and we will agree to disagree.

Ezekiel 33:6-8 states, "Son of man, speak to the children of thy people, and say unto them, When I bring the sword upon a land, if the people of the land take a man of their coasts, and set him for their watchman: If when he seeth the sword come upon the land, he blow the trumpet, and warn the people; Then whosoever heareth the sound of the trumpet, and taketh not warning; if the sword come, and take him away, his blood shall be upon his own head."

I believe every Christian should be a watchman. The watchman is not responsible for the consequences of anyone not heeding the warning, but I believe there is a problem with the failure to warn.

The enemy will always want to kill the watchman so that the warning can be prevented.

 

[SOAD]

Killing the Messenger

Those who hate the message, always attempt to kill the messenger in the hope that will kill the message. I guess that is the last resort of those who have lost the debate.

There are many interpritations of the message. You are not a messenger, you are an interpreter. Many here believe you have the interpritation all wrong.

You have become boastful.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

Those who hate the message, always attempt to kill the messenger in the hope that will kill the message. I guess that is the last resort of those who have lost the debate.

Yes you have lost the debate: your message has fallen into the dismal abyss.

I see no need to insult individuals, but individuals need to know what the Bible says. Atheists seem to think there disbelief in God and killing the messenger, will somehow make God will leave them alone.

No-one is trying to kill any messenger (in this thread), and I dare you to prove otherwise.

I do believe the wages of sin is death, and that Atheists need to fear God, even if they are successful at killing me.

No one is trying to kill you. You should not take the demolition of your ideology as the destruction of your person. The two are not equivalent.

If you don't like what I say, just say that and we will agree to disagree.

Until you next post the same claims in a different thread, thinking that such regurgitation will not encounter the inevitable objections it merits. It will, always.

I believe every Christian should be a watchman. The watchman is not responsible for the consequences of anyone not heeding the warning, but I believe there is a problem with the failure to warn.

The enemy will always want to kill the watchman so that the warning can be prevented.

People are being warned: that is, warned against the lack of Christian character and absence of Scriptural basis in your claims. You have not defended against such objections.

 

[tanzanos]

jayem quote

"Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live." Ex. 22:18. Has lead to the murder of innocent people who had the bad luck of being odd, non-comforming, or mentally ill.



Do you really thing a witch should be allowed to live?

You can say that Christians are not very smart and frequently are over zealous in their interpretation of the Bible, but that does not prove the Bible is wrong.

I even believe worst Christian is better that the best Atheists.

Atheism has led to there being two million deaths per year due to the AIDS of homosexuality, a 40% illegitimacy rate of child births, an impossible health care/welfare mess, etc.

Christianity may have its faults, but there is nothing good about Atheism.

When compared to perfection, Christians do not look good, but when compared to Atheists, they look like saints. Without the propaganda of the Atheistic Liberal News Media, Atheists would be considered a health hazard.

I know enough about Christianity to be able to clearly see that what you post is definitely NOT Christian dogma. Why don't you tell us what lead to Malaria killing over 4 million people per year (most of them children in poor countries)
Your pure HATE filled posts are not in any way connected to what Jesus taught. You say you have no children! well I am glad they do not have a mother that will gladly kill them for being disobedient!
Now you can press the REPORT button! At least my conscious is clean!