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Christ made us free, in the law of liberty . Who is free to judge us into bondage now ?

Discussion in 'Controversial Christian Theology' started by prophecy_uk, Oct 23, 2021.

  1. prophecy_uk

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    Christ made us free, in the law of liberty . Who is free to judge us into bondage now ?





    The Spirit of the Lord is upon the Messiah, anointed, preaching the Gospel to the poor, healing the broken hearted, deliverance to the captives, the blind recovered for sight, and setting liberty the bruised.


    Romans 8, further tells us what we are delivered from, from the bondage of corruption, into the glorious liberty of the children of God....





    Luke 4:18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,



    Romans 8:20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
    21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.



    Corinthians tells us all things are lawful for us ( delivered from non independence to liberty) ) how to eat whatever is offered, as the earth is the Lord's and the fullness of it ( nothing is not His, nor then to be treated any differently) and to eat and not ask questions, but do all for conscience sake, not for the judgment of another, on your liberty in Christ....




    1 Corinthians 10:23 All things are lawful for me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but all things edify not.
    24 Let no man seek his own, but every man another's wealth.
    25 Whatsoever is sold in the shambles, that eat, asking no question for conscience sake:
    26 For the earth is the Lord's, and the fulness thereof.
    27 If any of them that believe not bid you to a feast, and ye be disposed to go; whatsoever is set before you, eat, asking no question for conscience sake.
    28 But if any man say unto you, this is offered in sacrifice unto idols, eat not for his sake that shewed it, and for conscience sake: for the earth is the Lord's, and the fulness thereof:
    29 Conscience, I say, not thine own, but of the other: for why is my liberty judged of another man's conscience?





    Judaism has blinding to not recognize faith in the Messiah even in their own testament, and need to turn to the Lord, to have the vail taken away from the heart. Where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. We are changed into the same image of the Lord, by the Spirit of the Lord...




    2 Corinthians 3:14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.
    15 But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.
    16 Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.
    17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
    18 But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.






    Christ has made us free in liberty, we are warned not to be entangled again into bondage, as who is justified by law ( curcumcision and all the law) has themselves yet in debt ( not made free in liberty by Christ) and are subject to all the laws ( of man)

    Falling from grace is to seek to be justified by law. Instead to wait for the hope of righteousness by faith through the Spirit, is the faith that works by love..





    Galatians 5:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
    2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.
    3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.
    4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
    5 For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.
    6 For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.





    We then are called unto liberty, but not to sefrve ourselves, but by love to serve one another.

    If anyone teaches law, their teaching is fulfilled in this one thing, to love our neighbour as ourselves.

    Walking in the Spirit is to not fulfil the lusts of the flesh .

    Why then is anyone subject to ordinances, to taste not, touch not, as all ordinances of men are to perish..






    Galatians 5:13 For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another.
    14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
    15 But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.
    16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.

    Colossians 2:20 Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,
    21 (Touch not; taste not; handle not;
    22 Which all are to perish with the using;) after the commandments and doctrines of men?







    The perfect law of liberty is to be blessed in our deed, and pure religion before the Father is to be undefiled, by caring for others in their affliction and by keeping ourselves unspotted from the world....






    James 1:25 But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.
    26 If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man's religion is vain.
    27 Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.




    Being a debtor to do the whole law, one must keep the whole law, ( or we wait for the hope of righteousness by faith through the Spirit) and being in the law of liberty we know that God has no mercy on those who showed no mercy, and that the mercy of God is what triumphs over that judgment.

    We are under faith ( the law of faith and the law of Christ to bear one another's burdens serving one another in love) and then faith has works of love and is never alone...






    James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
    11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
    12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.
    13 For he shall have judgment without mercy, that hath shewed no mercy; and mercy rejoiceth against judgment.

    James 2:15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,
    16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?
    17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.




    The great swelling words of vanity are to allure us through the flesh ( to not have faith by the Spirit) and they promise us liberty.

    The servants of corruption ( what is not of faith is sin) bring us back into bondage, and are entangled again in the yoke of bondage ( not standing free in faith, but debtors to do the whole law)...




    2 Peter 2:18 For when they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error.
    19 While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage.
    20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.


    Galatians 5:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
     
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    We are bound by Love for God and others.
     
  3. SkyWriting

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    No person is free to judge the sins of other people, only themselves.
     
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    Will that excuse get me out of jury duty? ^_^
     
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    Sure. It doesn't take much to get disqualified. Mention God and you're likely to be booted by either side.
     
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  6. prophecy_uk

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    Silly words.


    Of course we do this to those who sin...




    1 Timothy 5:20 Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear.
    21 I charge thee before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, and the elect angels, that thou observe these things without preferring one before another, doing nothing by partiality.
    22 Lay hands suddenly on no man, neither be partaker of other men's sins: keep thyself pure.
    23 Drink no longer water, but use a little wine for thy stomach's sake and thine often infirmities.
    24 Some men's sins are open beforehand, going before to judgment; and some men they follow after.
    25 Likewise also the good works of some are manifest beforehand; and they that are otherwise cannot be hid.


    Ephesians 5:11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.
    12 For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done of them in secret.
    13 But all things that are reproved are made manifest by the light: for whatsoever doth make manifest is light.
    14 Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light.
     
  7. prophecy_uk

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    Also for your attention, is to see that we shall judge the angels, and to do that, we have to know Jesus was made a little lower than the angels, to then be crowned with glory and honour, so He tasting death for every man exalts us up to Heaven with Him, and judging of the angels is what He had done ( the devils angels) and if we are lifted up with Him, ( in righteousness and not committing sin ads the devils angels sin) then we automatically judge the angels..


    Hebrews 2:9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

    Ephesians 2:6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:




    Revelation 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.




    Psalm 103:20 Bless the Lord, ye his angels, that excel in strength, that do his commandments, hearkening unto the voice of his word.

    1 Corinthians 6:Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to law before the unjust, and not before the saints?
    2 Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?
    3 Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?
     
  8. SkyWriting

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    SkyWriting said:
    No person is free to judge the sins of other people, only themselves.

    You are referring to "sin" as in you being insulted or offended.

    Matthew 18:15-17
    If your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault, between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have gained your brother. But if he does not listen, take one or two others along with you, that every charge may be established by the evidence of two or three witnesses. If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church. And if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector.


    I wouldn't plan on any judging past the bruising of ones ego:


    Matthew 7:1-5
    “Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you. Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when there is the log in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye.

    Luke 6:37
    “Judge not, and you will not be judged; condemn not, and you will not be condemned; forgive, and you will be forgiven;

    Galatians 6:1
    Brothers, if anyone is caught in any transgression, you who are spiritual should restore him in a spirit of gentleness. Keep watch on yourself, lest you too be tempted.

    2 Corinthians 2:7
    So you should rather turn to forgive and comfort him, or he may be overwhelmed by excessive sorrow.

    Romans 2:1-11
    Therefore you have no excuse, O man, every one of you who judges. For in passing judgment on another you condemn yourself, because you, the judge, practice the very same things. We know that the judgment of God rightly falls on those who practice such things. Do you suppose, O man—you who judge those who practice such things and yet do them yourself—that you will escape the judgment of God? Or do you presume on the riches of his kindness and forbearance and patience, not knowing that God's kindness is meant to lead you to repentance? But because of your hard and impenitent heart you are storing up wrath for yourself on the day of wrath when God's righteous judgment will be revealed. ...

    John 7:24
    Do not judge by appearances....”

    John 12:48
    The one who rejects me and does not receive my words has a judge; the word that I have spoken will judge him on the last day.

    Jude 1:22-23
    And have mercy on those who doubt; save others by snatching them out of the fire; to others show mercy with fear, hating even the garment stained by the flesh.

    Matthew 7:2
    For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you.

    1 Peter 4:17-18
    For it is time for judgment to begin at the household of God; and if it begins with us, what will be the outcome for those who do not obey the gospel of God? And “If the righteous is scarcely saved, what will become of the ungodly and the sinner?”

    James 4:11-12 There is only one lawgiver and judge, he who is able to save and to destroy. But who are you to judge your neighbor?
     
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