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Featured Christ, Israel, and the fall of Jerusalem

Discussion in 'Controversial Christian Theology' started by mkgal1, Sep 18, 2019.

  1. mkgal1

    mkgal1 His perfect way sets me free. 2 Samuel 22:33 Supporter

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    Acts 5:17 ~ Then the high priest and all his associates, who were members of the party of the Sadducees, were filled with jealousy.

    Specifically when Jesus inspected the Temple - in doing that - He was performing the task of a High Priest. He was suggesting (by His actions) that HE was High Priest......and was an element of the entire power struggle between the apostate religious leaders and Him.

    Quoting linked article (the link no longer works) -------->
    New House and New Stones
    The house cleansings are separated from the first inspection by seven days, according to the Levitical law. As I mentioned, the seven-day period does appear in John. In order to see it, however, we need to consider the whole picture of what I have discussed so far: Jesus as the true Temple, and His cleansings of the Old Covenant temple as a visitation of judgment on an idolatrous and complacent house. This is the story of Jesus in John’s Gospel.

    It all begins at the initiation of Jesus’ public ministry at His baptism. The day of Jesus’ baptism in John’s Gospel begins a seven-day narrative. On the first day, Jesus is baptized, John proclaims Him to be the lamb of God, and the Holy Spirit descends live a dove and remains upon Jesus. This was all done for the purpose, as John the Baptist says, “that he might be revealed to Israel” (John 1:31). There is so much theology here it is impossible to note it all without distraction. In short, here we have the Spirit of God hovering over the New Creation on the first day; here we have the new Ark of salvation coming up out of the water of baptism, and the dove finding the dry land of the New World. But most importantly for our purposes, here we have God’s Spirit-glory filling the New House. This is explained as follows:

    In Exodus 40:34–35, when Moses first erected the first house of God, the tabernacle, we read: “Then the cloud covered the tent of meeting, and the glory of the Lord filled the tabernacle. And Moses was not able to enter the tent of meeting because the cloud settled on it, and the glory of the Lord filled the tabernacle.” Two aspects are important: the cloud, which was God’s Spirit or presence, and the fact that it settled (or dwelled) there. The Hebrew word for “settled” is shakan, from which we get the phrase shekinah glory. It simply refers to God’s abiding presence. (Ironically, the Hebrew word for “tabernacle” throughout the book of Exodus is mishkan—the noun form of shakan—which means literally “a dwelling place.”)

    This scene is replayed exactly when Solomon dedicates the temple:

    And when the priests came out of the Holy Place, a cloud filled the house of the Lord, so that the priests could not stand to minister because of the cloud, for the glory of the Lord filled the house of the Lord. Then Solomon said, “The Lord has said that he would dwell [shakan] in thick darkness. I have indeed built you an exalted house, a place for you to dwell [shakan] in forever” (1 Kings 8:10–13).

    This is exactly what God told John the Baptist to watch for in Jesus: “He on whom you see the Spirit descend and remain” (John 1:33). It is clear from this image alone that Jesus, the Son of God, was in fact God’s New House, New place of dwelling. Jesus was the New Temple. This would mean, of course, that the old temple in Jerusalem was already obsolete. From the day of the revealing of the true temple to Israel, all those old temple rituals and all the traditions and idolatrous practices that had grown up around them, were nothing but corruption in God’s house of Israel. The new house was already established and indwelt by the spirit. The by definition “closed” the other house for covenant business. The closing of the house, also, was part of the seven-day wait period (Lev. 14:38).
     
  2. redleghunter

    redleghunter Thank You Jesus! Supporter

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    The one between God and David was another. We know that because Jesus Christ is the promised fulfillment of the Davidic line having a King in the Throne forever. All the promises to David are fulfilled and will be fulfilled through and in Christ our Victorious King.
     
  3. mkgal1

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    I'm glad you brought that up. That's true. I found this article about that:


    Quoting from linked article:
    2 Samuel 7:12–17 does what a lot of prophetic passages do: it takes an extended telescope of events and collapses it down so that the near and distant events are viewed together. For example, in these six verses God promises on the one hand that Solomon, David's son, will reign in David's place and will build a house for God. This is why verse 14 can say, "When he commits iniquity, I will chasten him with the rod of men, with the stripes of the sons of men, but I will not take my steadfast love from him as I took it from Saul, whom I put away from before you."

    We know from verse 12 that God intends for David to die. Yet verse 16 says: "Your kingdom shall be made sure forever before me; your throne shall be established for ever." This must mean that the kingdom of David would be established and secured by a descendant. But Solomon is depicted as a sinner who has to be chastened. The kingdom can never be secure in the hands of a sinner. Look at what God does in 1 Kings 11:11–13 after Solomon marries foreign women and worships their gods: "The Lord said to Solomon, 'Since this has been your mind and you have not kept my covenant and my statutes which I have commanded you, I will surely tear the kingdom from you and give it to your servant. Yet for the sake of David your father I will not do it in your days, but I will tear it out of the hand of your son. However, I will not tear away all the kingdom, but I will give one tribe to your son, for the sake of David my servant and for the sake of Jerusalem which I have chosen.'" This shows that the promise to establish David's kingdom cannot happen as long as the descendants of David are rebellious and disobedient.

    The Hope for David's Righteous Son

    The conditionality of this covenant is repeated again and again in Kings and Chronicles. For example, in 1 Kings 2:4 David tells Solomon that God said, "If your sons take heed to their ways, to walk before me in faithfulness with all their heart and with all their soul, there shall not fail you a man on the throne of Israel." This means that as long as David's sons are disobedient the kingdom cannot be made secure for ever. Then look at 1 Kings 8:25 where Solomon prays, "Now, Lord God of Israel, keep with thy servant David my father what thou hast promised him, saying, 'There shall never fail you a man before me to sit upon the throne of Israel if only your sons take heed to their way to walk before me as you have walked before me.'" (See also 1 Kings 6:11, 12; 9:4–9; 1 Chronicles 22:8–13; 28:1–10.)

    Israel learned over the centuries following David and Solomon that disobedience in her king always brought the nation to ruin. But the godly among them knew one thing for sure: God had promised that the throne of David would be established forever (2 Samuel 7:4). So they came to see that a son of David must be coming who would fulfill the conditions of the covenant, sit on David's throne, and rule forever. A succession of imperfect kings could never fulfill the promise. If God were true to his word, if He stuck by his job description in 2 Samuel 7, he would have to raise up a righteous, obedient son of David to take the throne (see Psalm 89:29–37). ~ God's Covenant with David

    ......and He did!
     
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  4. LittleLambofJesus

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    Hello mkgal. That is indeed a great site.

    I actually have a thread on that, and perhaps I should bring it also to this board.........:idea:

    The wild Beasts from the Sea and from the Land

    It appears the Sea Beast is going after the Whole/Land Beast.......lots of OT Hebrew symbology and still studying on it.
    Revelation is a battle between the NC Saints vs the OC Mosaic Temple system....
    A few times Israel and Judah fought in the OT and both are mentioned in the Covenantal book of Revelation.
    Please visit my "queen/harlot" thread........

    The Great City/Harlot/Queen Revelation chapts 17-19

    Revelation 17:15 And He is saying to me "These the Waters which thou saw, where the Whore is sitting, are peoples and multitudes<3793> are being, and nations and tongues.
    16 And the ten Horns which thou saw and the Beast, These shall be hating the Whore,
    and They shall be making Her desolate<2049> and naked,
    and the fleshes of Her they shall be eating<5315>
    and shall be burning<2618> Her in fire.

    Revelation 18:8 Thru this in one day shall be arriving<2240> Her blows, death and sorrow and famine.
    And in fire She shall be utterly burned,
    that strong Lord the GOD, the One judging Her.

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    Visual Timeline of the Roman-Jewish War ARTchive @ PreteristArchive.com, The Internet's Only Balanced Look at Preterist Eschatology and Preterism


    CAST OF CHARACTERS: Roman: Emperor Nero | General Vespasian | General Titus | The Roman Army || Jewish: General / Historian Josephus | Factional Leaders in Jerusalem || Administrators of Roman Judea Targets: Jerusalem | Herod's Temple // Maps of the Roman Invasion // Theological Timeline

    CHRONOLOGY IMMEDIATELY SURROUNDING THE WAR

    Stage 1: Murder of James the Just, "Opposition High Priest" ; Irrevocable Split: 62
    Stage 2: General Revolt in Jerusalem ; Zealot Occupation of Masada: August-September 66
    Stage 3: The Campaign of Cestius Gallus and the Defeat of the Twelfth Legion: October-November 66
    Stage 4: End of Collaborative Government, Priesthood ; General Flight: November 66 - March 67
    Part 6: Vespasian Subdues Northern and Western Palestine: December 66 - December 68
    Part 7: Three-way Power Struggle within Jerusalem After Roman Retreat: January 68 - May 70
    Part 8: Romans Breach City Walls and Leave Jerusalem Desolate: May 10 - September 10, 70


     
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  5. redleghunter

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    I did not make mention the apostles would see types and shadows. But they did report what Jesus actually fulfilled and Christ Himself said He would come again.

    Not all of the Messianic prophecies were fulfilled in the First Advent of Messiah.

    Isaiah 61 makes this clear.

    Isaiah 61: NASB

    1The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me,
    Because the LORD has anointed me
    To bring good news to the afflicted;
    He has sent me to bind up the brokenhearted,
    To proclaim liberty to captives
    And freedom to prisoners;


    2To proclaim the favorable year of the LORD
    And the day of vengeance of our God;
    To comfort all who mourn,

    3To grant those who mourn in Zion,
    Giving them a garland instead of ashes,
    The oil of gladness instead of mourning,
    The mantle of praise instead of a spirit of fainting.
    So they will be called oaks of righteousness,
    The planting of the LORD, that He may be glorified.

    4Then they will rebuild the ancient ruins,
    They will raise up the former devastations;
    And they will repair the ruined cities,
    The desolations of many generations.


    Jesus mentions in Luke 4 only verses 1-2a as fulfilled in their presence. The remaining yet to be fulfilled in the Second Advent.

    After the Resurrection of Jesus, He spent 40 days with His disciples. Before the Ascension into Heaven to be seated at the Right Hand of the Father, the disciples still asked a millennial question:

    Acts 1: NASB

    6So when they had come together, they were asking Him, saying, “Lord, is it at this time You are restoring the kingdom to Israel?” 7He said to them, “It is not for you to know times or epochs which the Father has fixed by His own authority;8but you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you shall be My witnesses both in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and even to the remotest part of the earth.”

    He told them to focus on the mission at hand right in front of them. Jesus never told them “hey we are now A-millennial didn’t I tell you that the past 40 days?” No He told them to not worry about how the Father would unfold those events.
     
  6. mkgal1

    mkgal1 His perfect way sets me free. 2 Samuel 22:33 Supporter

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    But look at Luke 21:21-22 ~

    The Destruction of Jerusalem
    …Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, let those in the city get out, and let those in the country stay out of the city. For these are the days of vengeance, to fulfill all that is written.

    There was a period of 40 years between Jesus' death on the cross and the destruction of Jerusalem. Do you know what the number 40 represents?

    "In the Hebrew Bible, forty is often used for time periods, forty days or forty years, which separate "two distinct epochs". Rain fell for "forty days and forty nights" during the Flood (Genesis 7:4)." ~ What is the Significance of the Number 40 In the Bible? - Amazing Bible Timeline with World History
     
  7. LittleLambofJesus

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    I like Isaiah..........
    Yes, Christ did indeed say He was coming again...... but for Vengeance on 1st century Jerusalem and it's Temple............

    "DAYS OF VENGEANCE" Isaiah 61:2 and Luke 21:22 Revelation

    His first speaking in the Temple:

    Isaiah 11:6
    The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together and a little child/lad shall lead them.

    Luke 2:42 and when He became twelve years old, they having gone up to Jerusalem, according to the custom of the feast,
    46 And it came to pass, after three days, they found Him in the Temple, sitting in the midst of the Teachers, both hearing them and questioning them, 47 and all those hearing Him were astonished at his understanding and answers. [Isaiah 11:6]

    Then at about age 30, He reads from Chapt 61 of Isaiah:

    Isaiah 61:2
    To proclaim the year of the good pleasure of Yahweh,
    And the day of vengeance<5359> of our 'Elohiym, To comfort all mourners.

    Telling them He is the One prophecied:

    Luke 4:
    17 the scroll of the prophet Isaiah was handed to Him. Unrolling it, He found the place where it was written:
    21 and He began by saying,
    “Today this Scripture is fulfilled<4137> in your hearing.

    Then giving His 70ad Temple/Jerusalem Discourse, fulfilling the 2nd part of Isaiah 61 and the rest is history.......

    Isaiah 61:2
    To proclaim the year of the good pleasure of Yahweh,
    And the day of vengeance<5359> of our 'Elohiym, To comfort all mourners.

    Luke 21:
    22 That days of vengeance<1557> these are, of the to be fulfilled<4130> all the having been written
    23 “But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days!
    For there will be great Distress in the land and Wrath<3709> upon this people.

    1 Thessalonians 2:
    15 who killed both the Lord Jesus and their own prophets, and have persecuted<1559> us, and they do not please God and are contrary to all men,
    16 forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they may be saved; to fill up their sins always:
    but the wrath is come upon them to the uttermost.
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    Revelation 1:3
    Blessed/happy the one reading/anaginwskwn<314> (5723), and the ones hearing, the Words of the Prophecy, and keepings in it having been written/gegrammena<1125> (5772),
    for the Season/Time Is nigh/egguV<1451>.

    The Great City/Harlot/Queen Revelation chapts 17-19

    Rev 18:4
    And I heard another voice from heaven saying, “Come out of her, my people, lest you share in her sins, and lest you receive of her plagues.

    Rev 18:5
    “For Her sins have reached to heaven, and God has remembered her iniquities.


    Revelation 19:2
    “For true and righteous are His judgments, because He has judged the great harlot who corrupted the earth with her fornication;
    and He has avenged<1556> on Her the blood of His servants shed by her.”

    [​IMG]
     
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    Matthew 1: NASB

    18Now the birth of Jesus Christ was as follows: when His mother Mary had been betrothed to Joseph, before they came together she was found to be with child by the Holy Spirit. 19And Joseph her husband, being a righteous man and not wanting to disgrace her, planned to send her away secretly. 20But when he had considered this, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream, saying, “Joseph, son of David, do not be afraid to take Mary as your wife; for the Child who has been conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit. 21“She will bear a Son; and you shall call His name Jesus, for He will save His people from their sins.” 22Now all this took place to fulfill what was spoken by the Lord through the prophet: 23“BEHOLD, THE VIRGIN SHALL BE WITH CHILD AND SHALL BEAR A SON, AND THEY SHALL CALL HIS NAME IMMANUEL,” which translated means, “GOD WITH US.” 24And Joseph awoke from his sleep and did as the angel of the Lord commanded him, and took Mary as his wife, 25but kept her a virgin until she gave birth to a Son; and he called His name Jesus.

    The very fact of the Incarnation shows Jesus Christ is literally God with us. Prophecy fulfilled.
     
  9. redleghunter

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    I’m not much into numerology.
     
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    The early church did not believe the beast was past. Irenaeus for sure did not as he cautioned many Christians for trying to name the beast in his lifetime.

    CHURCH FATHERS: Against Heresies, V.30 (St. Irenaeus)

    He also believed in a literal tribulation before the Second coming of Christ.

    CHURCH FATHERS: Against Heresies, V.29 (St. Irenaeus)

    He was also a millennialist with a church flavor in mind.

    CHURCH FATHERS: Against Heresies, V.32 (St. Irenaeus)

    He along with Papias claimed apostolic knowledge of their eschaton views.
     
  11. redleghunter

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    It’s obvious the church of the sub-Apostolic period did not believe Christ came back in 70AD. Even in the post Apostolic period Christ they looked for Christ yet to come.

    I guess we had to wait for the advent of 20th century preterist theologians and YouTube to figure out all of Christendom missed Jesus coming back in 70AD. They even put the yet to come Advent in their creeds way after 70AD.
     
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    Makes more sense to me than at a future date a 1500 square mile cube plopping down on tiny Israel. Even the muselems believe a redeemer is coming back to establish a caliphate and take over the world. My question is; why does almost the whole religious world believe these things and can make a good case for their beliefs from scripture?
     
  13. LittleLambofJesus

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    Very interesting.

    Since you're into Bible numbers, what is your and/or others take on the 10 days mentioned in Revelation 2:10
    [so many threads and so little time......]

    Revelation 2:10 "tribulation 10 days"

    Revelation 2:10
    No yet one thou be fearing! which-things thou are being about to be suffering.
    Behold! the Devil is being about to be casting ye into a prison<5438>, that ye may be being tried.
    And ye shall be having tribulation ten days,
    Be thou becoming faithful unto death! and I shall be giving to thee the Crown of the Life.

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    Luke 21:12
    “But before all these things, they will lay their hands on you and persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues and prisons<5438>.
    You will be brought before kings and rulers for My name’s sake.

    2 Corinthians 11
    22 Are they Hebrews? So am I. Are they Israelites? So am I. Are they descendants of Abraham? So am I. 23 Are they servants of Christ? I am speaking like I am out of my mind, but I am so much more:
    in harder labor,
    in more imprisonments,
    in worse beatings,
    in frequent danger of death.
    24 By Judeans five times forty minus one.
    25 Three times I was beaten with rods,

    once I was stoned,
    three times I was shipwrecked. I spent a night and a day in the open sea.
    26 In my frequent journeys, I have been in dangers of rivers
    and to dangers of bandits,
    in dangers from fellow race,
    from the Gentiles,
    in city and in wilderness,
    in danger on the sea
    and to dangers in false brothers,
    27 in labor and toil and often without sleep,
    in hunger and thirst,
    and often without food, in cold and exposure.

    John 8:44 `Ye out of a father the Devil are, and the desires/epiqumiaV <1939> of the father of ye, ye are willing to be doing. That one a man-killer was from beginning and in the truth not has stood, that not is truth in him. Whenever he may be talking, the falsehood out of the own/P he is talking, that a falsifier he is and the father of it. [Reve 18:14]

    Matthew 23:
    32 Fill up, then, the measure of your fathers.
    33 You serpents, brood of vipers, how will you escape the judgment of Gehenna?
    34 Therefore, behold, I send to you prophets, wise men, and scribes. Some of them you will kill and crucify; and some of them you will scourge in your synagogues, and persecute/pursue from city to city
     
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    For one thing, there was more to that post than numbers.

    Another thing, the significance to numbers in the Bible isn't "numerology".
     
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    Because the OT and NT Scriptures testify we will have a conquering King returning. Revelation 19 shows this.

    The creeds testify Jesus will come again to judge the quick and the dead.
     
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    I notice dispensationalist/futurists tend to "hide" behind some of the Creeds, especially concerning their form of eschatology...........

    CF allows Partial Preterists to view 70AD Jerusalem as fulfilled, including that great City, OC 70AD Jerusalem in Revelation 18 and 19 which is before the 1000yr period and final judgement :)

    Partial Preterism at PreteristArchive.com, The Internet's Only Balanced Look at Preterism

    Statement of Purpose - Eschatology Forum Statement of Purpose
    • Idealism: (also called the spiritual approach, the allegorical approach, the nonliteral approach, and many other names) in Christian eschatology is an interpretation of the Book of Revelation that sees all of the imagery of the book as symbols.
    • Partial Preterism: Partial preterism holds that most eschatological prophecies, such as the destruction of Jerusalem, the Antichrists, the Great Tribulation, and the advent of the Day of the Lord as a "judgment-coming" of Christ, were fulfilled either in AD 70 or during the persecution of Christians under the Emperor Nero.
    • The Second coming and the resurrection of the dead, however, have not yet occurred in the partial preterist system.
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    However, Full Preterism is only allowed to be discussed on the CCT board.

    V. Additional Rules


    Full preterism
    Full preterism differs from partial preterism in that full preterists believe that the destruction of Jerusalem fulfilled all eschatological or "end times" events, including the resurrection of the dead and Jesus' Second Coming, or Parousia, and the Final Judgment.[40][page needed]
    Other names of full preterism include:
    • preterism (because the term itself means "past")
    • consistent preterism
    • true preterism
    • hyper-preterism (a pejorative term used by opponents of preterists)
    • pantelism. (The term "pantelism" comes from two Greek roots: παν (pan), "everything", and τελ- (tel-), referring to completion).
    • Covenant Eschatology
    • Fulfilled Eschatology[41]
    Full preterists argue that a literal reading of Matthew 16:28 (where Jesus tells the disciples that some of them will not taste death until they see him coming in his kingdom)[42] places the second coming in the first century. This precludes a physical second coming of Christ. Instead, the second coming is symbolic of a "judgment" against Jerusalem, said to have taken place with the destruction of the temple in Jerusalem in AD 70.[43] For this reason, some people[which?] also call full preterism "the AD 70 Doctrine."[44] R. C. Sproul says of full preterist Max R. King, of Ohio; "For this schema to work, the traditional idea of resurrection must be replaced with a metaphorical idea of resurrection".[45]

    Detractors of full preterism often refer to the school as hyper-preterism.[46] Many[quantify] evangelicals regard full preterism as outside of Christian orthodoxy.
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    I am so confused on the many different forms of Peterism, I created a thread to discuss it, including a form of it called "hyper preterism"

    Partial Preterism, Full Preterism vs Hyper Preterism

     
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    Indeed the judgment on Jerusalem and the destruction of the temple was fulfilled. Yet in every prophecy on the Coming of the Lord is deliverance for Jerusalem and Jews. 70AD was not this.

    Zechariah was a post-exilic Prophet.

    Zechariah 1: NASB

    12Then the angel of the LORD said, “O LORD of hosts, how long will You have no compassion for Jerusalem and the cities of Judah, with which You have been indignant these seventy years?” 13The LORD answered the angel who was speaking with me with gracious words, comforting words. 14So the angel who was speaking with me said to me, “Proclaim, saying, ‘Thus says the LORD of hosts, “I am exceedingly jealous for Jerusalem and Zion. 15“But I am very angry with the nations who are at ease; for while I was only a little angry, they furthered the disaster.” 16‘Therefore thus says the LORD, “I will return to Jerusalem with compassion; My house will be built in it,” declares the LORD of hosts, “and a measuring line will be stretched over Jerusalem.”’ 17“Again, proclaim, saying, ‘Thus says the LORD of hosts, “My cities will again overflow with prosperity, and the LORD will again comfort Zion and again choose Jerusalem.”’”

    Zechariah 12: NASB

    1The burden of the word of the LORDconcerning Israel.
    Thus declares the LORD who stretches out the heavens, lays the foundation of the earth, and forms the spirit of man within him,

    2“Behold, I am going to make Jerusalem a cup that causes reeling to all the peoples around; and when the siege is against Jerusalem, it will also be against Judah. 3“It will come about in that day that I will make Jerusalem a heavy stone for all the peoples; all who lift it will be severely injured. And all the nations of the earth will be gathered against it. 4“In that day,” declares the LORD, “I will strike every horse with bewilderment and his rider with madness. But I will watch over the house of Judah, while I strike every horse of the peoples with blindness. 5“Then the clans of Judah will say in their hearts, ‘A strong support for us are the inhabitants of Jerusalem through the LORD of hosts, their God.’

    6“In that day I will make the clans of Judah like a firepot among pieces of wood and a flaming torch among sheaves, so they will consume on the right hand and on the left all the surrounding peoples, while the inhabitants of Jerusalem again dwell on their own sites in Jerusalem. 7“The LORDalso will save the tents of Judah first, so that the glory of the house of David and the glory of the inhabitants of Jerusalem will not be magnified above Judah. 8“In that day the LORD will defend the inhabitants of Jerusalem, and the one who is feeble among them in that day will be like David, and the house of David will be like God, like the angel of the LORDbefore them. 9“And in that day I will set about to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.

    10“I will pour out on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the Spirit of grace and of supplication, so that they will look on Me whom they have pierced; and they will mourn for Him, as one mourns for an only son, and they will weep bitterly over Him like the bitter weeping over a firstborn.11“In that day there will be great mourning in Jerusalem, like the mourning of Hadadrimmon in the plain of Megiddo.12“The land will mourn, every family by itself; the family of the house of David by itself and their wives by themselves; the family of the house of Nathan by itself and their wives by themselves; 13the family of the house of Levi by itself and their wives by themselves; the family of the Shimeites by itself and their wives by themselves; 14all the families that remain, every family by itself and their wives by themselves.


    And of course Zechariah 14:

    Zechariah 14 NASB

    These are prophecies of deliverance of Israel and Judah. Our Victorious King coming in Glory to bring the Kingdom to earth.

    “Thy Kingdom come, thy will be done on earth as it is in Heaven.”
     
  18. redleghunter

    redleghunter Thank You Jesus! Supporter

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    I don’t adhere to Dispensational eschatology. Just the plain reading of prophecy as presented. See above. Jerusalem was not delivered in 70AD. It was destroyed.


    Yet in Revelation 19 Jerusalem is not destroyed but the nations. And Jesus did not come back in 70AD.
     
  19. LittleLambofJesus

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    That is in Revelation 20 "Gog Magog] ;)

    Revelation 17 shows the armies of the 10 kings coming against Jerusalem at Armageddon and in Revelation 18 utterly destroys 70AD Jerusalem

    Read this very carefully


    Revelation 17:16
    And the ten Horns which thou saw and the Beast, These shall be hating the Whore,
    and They shall be making Her desolate<2049> and naked,
    and the fleshes of Her they shall be eating<5315>
    and shall be burning Her in fire.


    Revelation 18:8
    Thru this in one day shall be arriving<2240> Her blows,
    death and sorrow and famine.
    And in fire She shall be utterly burned<2618>,
    that strong Lord the GOD, the One judging Her.

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    It is at the Gog-Magog battle that God destroys the armies coming against Jerusalem, the Devil is cast into the LoF and then the white throne judgement........

    Revelation 20:
    8 and he shall be coming out<1831> to deceive<4105 all the nations, that are in the four corners of the land -- the Gog and the Magog -- to gather them together/sunagagein<4863> into The Battle, of which the number of them as the sand of the sea;
    9 They went up on the breadth of the land and surrounded the camp of the Saints and the beloved city.
    And fire came down from God out of heaven and devoured them.

    10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
    The Great White Throne Judgment

    Rev 20:11
    Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away. And there was found no place for them.
     
  20. redleghunter

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    Jerusalem is the Whore of Babylon?
     
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