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Christ had nothing to with Christmas and its a pagan holiday?!? Nimrod related.

Discussion in 'General Theology' started by CounselorForChrist, Aug 12, 2013.

  1. MoreCoffee

    MoreCoffee Repentance works.

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    The law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus ought to set one free from the law of sin and of death. One who is in Christ need never fear days nor run from celebrating Christ's advent. If 37 years in the Catholic Church failed to teach the preciousness of Christian freedom then that is a tragedy. The joy of Christ's advent, the wonder of his presence first in body and then through the Spirit ought to set one free. I invite all who read these words to come, come to the water of life and drink of it freely. The gospel is still preached and Christ is still lifted up in the Church, if you have strayed away do not be afraid to come home. The Father is looking for such people, on the road, and when they are seen approaching no greater feast and no greater celebration can be had on this Earth this side of the second advent - which we celebrate around Christmas season.
     
  2. Standing Up

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    Not the thread, but have you ever heard of the Papacy or filique? EO and RC disagree on those two doctrines.

    Back to Christmas.
     
  3. Jipsah

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    But not worth celebrating, right?

    But no need to pay any special attention to the Resurrection either, huh?

    True dat.
     
  4. Jipsah

    Jipsah Blood Drinker

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    A shame you hadn't started reading the Bible while you were a nominal Catholic. You might have come to understand what the rituals were all about.

    But honestly, your notions on the keeping of Christian feasts didn't come from reading Scripture, did they? They came from the sect you joined, and you "proof texted" the rest. Right?
     
  5. Eph4:26

    Eph4:26 Regular Member

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    I never tire of reprinting this . . . .

    This by far is the #1 most common argument I get regarding defending Christmas and its Pagan roots. It also is the easiest to refute.

    One more time, you are making a false equivalency argument. Blue skies, green grass, ad nauseum, are not pagan in origin and brought into the church by the Roman Catholic Church and institutionalized and called righteous.

    NASB15 And He said to them, “You are those who justify yourselves in the sight of men, but God knows your hearts; for that which is highly esteemed among men is detestable in the sight of God.

    Luke 16:15 N-NNS
    BIB: ἀνθρώποις ὑψηλὸν βδέλυγμα ἐνώπιον τοῦ
    NAS: men is detestable in the sight
    KJV: is abomination in the sight
    INT: men [is] exalted [is] an abomination before

    The verse could also be translated as 'if you declare yourself innocent by doing what is popular, that is an abomination to God.'

    What is the most popular holiday in the history of human civilization?

    CHRISTMAS!!
     
  6. Tzaousios

    Tzaousios Αυγουστινιανικός Χριστιανός

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    You slapping the label of "false equivalency" on every argument that you do not like or perceive as linked to Catholicism does not mean it is actually true either.
     
  7. Eph4:26

    Eph4:26 Regular Member

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    You would be more persuasive if you could demonstrate that the following statement is false because . . .

    Luke 16:15 could also be translated as 'if you declare yourself innocent by doing what is popular, that is an abomination to God.'
     
  8. Root of Jesse

    Root of Jesse Admiral of the Fleet/First Sea Lord Supporter CF Ambassadors

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    I don't think the idea of the Papacy is lost on the Orthodox. They have a leader they follow too, right?

    And some would say that the Filioque question is a matter of theological perspective. Sorta like the differences between Protestants and Catholics, wouldn't you say?
     
  9. prodromos

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    We follow the bishop we are under. The bishops answer to the synod. The synod answers to God. If we have "a" leader we follow, that would be Christ.
    I wouldn't, and neither does my bishop.
     
  10. Root of Jesse

    Root of Jesse Admiral of the Fleet/First Sea Lord Supporter CF Ambassadors

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    Right. But some would, and do. And we also follow the bishop we are under. So for someone to suggest that we're so far divided is wrong. We're more united than divided, which is my point. Not to make light of the differences.
     
  11. MoreCoffee

    MoreCoffee Repentance works.

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    The passage reads like this:
    "He who is faithful in a very little is faithful also in much; and he who is dishonest in a very little is dishonest also in much. If then you have not been faithful in the unrighteous mammon, who will entrust to you the true riches? And if you have not been faithful in that which is another's, who will give you that which is your own? No servant can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and mammon." The Pharisees, who were lovers of money, heard all this, and they scoffed at him. But he said to them, "You are those who justify yourselves before men, but God knows your hearts; for what is exalted among men is an abomination in the sight of God." (Luke 16:10-15 RSV)​
    The words of Christ are in red text.

    The above post says that the last part of the passage written in red text can be translated as,
    "if you declare yourself innocent by doing what is popular, that is an abomination to God."​
    But that is wrong.

    The claimed translation has a lot missing. It isn't a translation. It isn't a paraphrase because too much has been removed to parallel the words of Christ. It is a slogan; nothing more and nothing less.

    It's also wrong because it is part of an argument that completely fails to deal with the content of Jipsa's post and Rhamiel's post. The passage does not claim that what is popular is an abomination in God's sight. That's specious reasoning. What the passage teaches is that no one can hide their true motives from God even if they manage to gain the approval of the crowds their evil intention is known to God and he hates it.

    If one applies the lesson of the passage to the celebration of Christ's advent from a good heart that is motivated by love for God then the true nature of the blanket condemnation of Christmas offered in the post quoted above can be seen for what it is; nothing less than an attempt to bind the consciences of Christians with fear of pagan days and pagan gods. That is the thing that God hates according to the teaching of Christ in Luke 16:15.
     
  12. prodromos

    prodromos Senior Veteran Supporter

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    Care to name them? We've had the question of the filioque discussed by a general synod which does not agree with your claims, so if any bishops do believe otherwise, they are stepping outside the limits agreed by their authority.
    I disagree. As Patriarch Bartholomew stated at Georgetown University, the manner in which our churches exist has become ontollogically different.
     
  13. fireof god98

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    we should bring the talking back to the topic of the thread witch is gay marriage
     
  14. freezerman2000

    freezerman2000 Living and dying in 3/4 time

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    What does gay marriage have to do with Christmas and Nimrod?
     
  15. Rick Otto

    Rick Otto The Dude Abides

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    Comic relief?

    ...But seriously. Ever since I was a little kid, way before I heard of theology or Jehova's Witnesses, I pegged birthdays (including Christmas) as hyped up social events. I could never give myself over to them. So even when I'm doubting the pagan connection, My memories are of manufactured sentiment and unrealistic expectation.
     
  16. Eph4:26

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    5. If you have a self-professed pagan, secular, agnostic, atheist on your christmas list, you are denying Christ (Eph 5:11).


    "And who is it that celebrates "Christmas"? The whole "civilized world." Millions who make no profession of faith in the blood of the Lamb, who "despise and reject Him," and millions more who while claiming to be His followers yet in works deny Him (Eph 5:11), join in merrymaking under the pretense of honoring the birth of the Lord Jesus (Eph 5:17-18). Putting it on its lowest ground, we would ask, Is it fitting that His friends should unite with His enemies in a worldly round of fleshly gratification? Does any truly born-again soul really think that He whom the world cast out is either pleased or glorified by such participation in the world's joys? Verily, "the customs of the people are vain"; and it is written, "Thou shalt not follow a multitude to do evil." (Ex. 23:2)"

    XMAS
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    (1886-1952)
     
  17. MoreCoffee

    MoreCoffee Repentance works.

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    Oh dear. Another zombie thread awakened by Eph4:26 who says in an earlier post that he never tires of repeating this ...

    ;)
     
  18. Jipsah

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    I think Eph's problem is that midnight Mass is too late for him to stay up, and Easter service is too early for him to get up, hence they must be abolished.
     
  19. ancientsoul

    ancientsoul queen of broken hearts

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    my thoughts are that it doesn't matter ... if one is still celebrating and honoring Jesus ... the date is moot ... and who whats is moot ... He will only be wanting what we believe of Him when we stand before Him ... who we worshipped ... not what someone else believed and worshipped ... unless one is a teacher or pastor ... teaching an untruth ... judgement begins at the pulpit ...
     
  20. bornofGod888

    bornofGod888 Well-Known Member

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    lol.

    I'm no fan of either Christmas or Easter either, but I must admit that that was funny.

    ^_^
     
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