Christ had nothing to with Christmas and its a pagan holiday?!? Nimrod related.

[CounselorForChrist]

So as people know I was simply not into christmas because of the commercialism stuff and how far its come. But today I heard a popular radio speaker (christian) who spoke about easter and christmas being pagan holidays based around one women (can't remember her name, she supposedly had a virgin birth also) and her son named Nimrod. Part of the celebration involved putting up trees with stuff on them, giving gifts...etc. And in the case of easter they painted eggs...etc.

Heres a small article here while I try to find this preachers notes on it.
Is Christmas Christian? | Magazine Article | Tomorrow's World

I'm not into such deep bible study because of my brain injury so its hard for me to remember this stuff. But if Christmas is based on this pagan stuff then why do most christians celebrate it? This really changes my views entirely on why I should not celebrate christmas since Christ was never part of it to begin with.

What are your views about Nimrod and Christmas...etc? Lets try not to fight about this btw. Just looking for opinions and views since I have never heard this Nimrod thing before.

 

[sdowney717]

Move a letter and you get
Santa = Satan, an anagram

When Looking for a Nimrod connection spotted this here

Double Portion Inheritance: Santa Claus or Satan Claws?

Somewhere there is an even better site to show this.

Santa is watching so you better watch out.
There is a definite connection to Santa having supernatural abilities.

Oh! You better watch out
You better not cry
You better not pout I'm telling you why
Santa Claus is coming to town

He's making a list
Checking it twice
Gonna find out who's naughty or nice
Santa Claus is coming to town

He sees you when you're sleeping
He knows when you're awake
He knows if you've been bad or good
So be good for goodness sake!

So! You better watch out
Oh! You better watch out
You better not cry
You better not pout, I'm telling you why
Santa Claus is coming
Santa Claus is coming
Santa Claus is coming to town!

 

[PersephonesTear]

Every holiday is shared with holidays that were used by pagans in the past. There are only 365 days in a year, but there have been many many cultures and belief systems since mankind first drew breath. It is inevitable that overlap will occur.

When we come together to have a holiday meal as a family, or when we decorate our trees, or do whatever other holiday tradition... we are celebrating what we choose to celebrate - not what some ancient peoples who are long gone chose for us.

 

[theophilus40]

But if Christmas is based on this pagan stuff then why do most christians celebrate it?

Christmas is based on celebrating the birth of Christ but no one knows when the date of his birth was. Pagans had a holiday in December and the early Christians probably chose to celebrate Christ's birth at that time so Christians would have some kind of alternate activity to make it easier for them to take part in these pagan festivals. Here is another explanation of how it began.

http://carm.org/origins-of-christmas

 

[Knee V]

It is not based on paganism.

Christmas, or Nativity, is the celebration of God appearing to us in the flesh. It is not a celebration of His birth. Of course, He couldn't have appeared to us in the flesh without first being born, but the birth itself is not the celebration, at least not historically.

Easter, or Pascha, is the celebration of Christ rising from the dead. "Christ is risen from the dead, trampling down death by death, and upon those in the tombs bestowing life."

Neither of those is pagan.

The whole thing about Nimrod is pure historical fiction with no basis in Scripture or any other historical document. Abandon it.

 

[LoricaLady]

I do not believe that the pagan story has a virgin birth in it. However, December 25, has historically been associated with things like sacrifice of living children to pagan deities.

Nothing in Scriptures says Messiah was born in the winter. This seems unlikely. First, the shepherds kept their flocks in shelters in the dead of winter. 2nd it is highly unlikely the people would have been sent out in the dead of winter to travel for a census. 3rd, based on the timing of the feast when Zecharia had his vision about John the Baptist, and Mary's visit to Elizabeth when John in utero, was 6 months old, it seems Messiah was born in the fall, specifically at the Feast of Taberncales some say.

As for Easter, you can count on it, it never ever occurs on the true Resurrection Day. The RCC sets the date for it so that it does not. For just one thing, Passover, when Messiah was killed, was based on a lunar calendar not the solar kind we use. This means Passsover was only going to be on the same day of the week about once each 7 years or so. Of course He was crucified as the Passover Lamb and His Resurrection is based on that date. The Easter eggs & bunny are the symbols of the goddess Ashtar, after whom Easter is named.

Some will say, "But that's not what I mean to do, celebrate something pagan, on those days."

However, it's not about what we think and feel, it's all about obedience to the Father. When the Israelites went over the Jordan He very clearly forebade them from doing what the pagans do, adopting their practices, and then saying they were doing them for HIM. He said such customs would bring a curse! Who needs curses?

I personally gave up Easter & Christmas and haven't missed them. I believe these are the last days, and those holidays are certainly Babylonian hand me downs. In Revelation we are told "Come out of her My people" re Babylonish things "Lest you partake in her plagues."

Praying you will come into a full understanding of how Messiah wants you to spend your years.

 

[LnghrnFan]

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[LnghrnFan]

Christmas was actually instituted for the specific purpose of supplanting an ancient Roman pagan festival with a Christian holiday by Constantine. Whether or not December 25 represents the precise date of Christ’s birth is really inconsequential. The important point is that on a particular day, at a particular time, and in a particular place, God became man and dwelt among us. This is the essence of the Gospel. The majority of Christians have always viewed Christmas as one of the spiritual highlights of their year, precisely because it is a day set aside for the remembrance of this earth-shaking, life-changing event. The pagan associations have faded and been entirely forgotten.

The commercialization of the holiday should only serve as an incentive to Christians to re-emphasize Constantine’s original intent in establishing the day and to exemplify for the world the Christ-like spirit of sharing, giving, and good will traditionally associated with the season.

I also see no reason to be alarmed by the pagan associations of Easter. Much of our modern linguistic and cultural currency has pagan origins -- the names of the days and months on our calendars, for instance -- that have long been forgotten. Should believers invent new ways of designating the days of the week simply because they were originally named after pagan deities? It has been a long time since eggs, rabbits, grass, and the name “Easter” itself have had any ties with fertility cults in the popular imagination. The worst charge against them is that they can be silly and trivial distractions from a truly Christian observance of the Resurrection.

Blessings to you!

 

[Steve Petersen]

I smell Hislop via John T. Chick. Poor scholarship.

 

[ezeric]

For whatever its worth, I think that the 'church' and the world have no problem believing in a baby born or a JESUS that walked the shores.

But the power isn't there.

Its in the cross and the resurrection...this KING that lives and does so both at the right hand and inside us.

The early church didn't talk much about 'Christmas' or the birth but in JESUS and in crucified (see 1 Cor 1:2-3 and 2:2)

Its easy to 'handle' a baby or this 'man' but this living KING... that is different.
Not so romantic or easy to control rather ALIVE and INSIDE us, and the more we recognize HIM in our daily situations and struggles the more HE triumphs over them/through us.

And when we preach or share the Gospel we use anything to point the lost and the christian un-believer to HIM. The SPIRIT will use anything to bring HIM to our memory.

JESUS saying "the SPIRIT will take from what is mine, and make it known to you" John 15

-eric

 

[christianmomof3]

I'm not into such deep bible study because of my brain injury so its hard for me to remember this stuff. But if Christmas is based on this pagan stuff then why do most christians celebrate it? This really changes my views entirely on why I should not celebrate christmas since Christ was never part of it to begin with.

What are your views about Nimrod and Christmas...etc? Lets try not to fight about this btw. Just looking for opinions and views since I have never heard this Nimrod thing before.

Many people have not heard of the pagan connection to Christmas because it is not something that churches teach or are proud of.
Most biblical scholars and other people who have studied history are aware of the facts though.
Religions have changed over the years and have influenced each other.
There are virgin birth stories that pre-date the Christ story.
In fact, the virgin birth is not mentioned in the earlier Christian writers - Paul and the book of Mark. It is in the later Christian writings, which were written after it was becoming clear that the majority of the Jewish people were not joining the new Christian religion, so they began to appeal more to the gentiles, which included bringing in more of the Greek influence.
There are lots of books about the history of the Bible.
I don't have a brain injury and I find them quite boring.
My husband has been reading a lot of them though and has told me about them.

Most Christians celebrate Christmas as a celebration of Jesus's birth because that is what they were taught and grew up with. Most likely no Christians celebrate Christmas as a pagan holiday. Some people find out about the pagan origins of the holiday and are bothered by it and stop celebrating it. Other people are offended by the very idea that it could have pagan origins and they refuse to believe it. That does not change the facts though.

Our culture and religion is based on the cultures and religions of the past. That is just how it works. Unless someone makes up a whole new religion.
And even then, they most likely try to link it to something from past culture and religion.

If it bothers you, don't celebrate it anymore. If it doesn't bother you, then keep on enjoying Christmas. It is really not a major big deal.

 

[Pal Handy]

I am glad that we have a day to honor the Lord Jesus Christ.

I do not care that many have made it secular because I have not
and many others have the opportunity to share their faith through songs
and special events to those who may never go to church.

Even secular stations will run movies on the life of Christ. (the Gospel is preached)

As the Apostle Paul put it...
Philippians 1:18
What then? Only that in every way, whether in pretense or in truth,
Christ is preached; and in this I rejoice, yes, and will rejoice.

 

[CounselorForChrist]

Many people have not heard of the pagan connection to Christmas because it is not something that churches teach or are proud of.
Most biblical scholars and other people who have studied history are aware of the facts though.
Religions have changed over the years and have influenced each other.
There are virgin birth stories that pre-date the Christ story.
In fact, the virgin birth is not mentioned in the earlier Christian writers - Paul and the book of Mark. It is in the later Christian writings, which were written after it was becoming clear that the majority of the Jewish people were not joining the new Christian religion, so they began to appeal more to the gentiles, which included bringing in more of the Greek influence.
There are lots of books about the history of the Bible.
I don't have a brain injury and I find them quite boring.
My husband has been reading a lot of them though and has told me about them.

Most Christians celebrate Christmas as a celebration of Jesus's birth because that is what they were taught and grew up with. Most likely no Christians celebrate Christmas as a pagan holiday. Some people find out about the pagan origins of the holiday and are bothered by it and stop celebrating it. Other people are offended by the very idea that it could have pagan origins and they refuse to believe it. That does not change the facts though.

Our culture and religion is based on the cultures and religions of the past. That is just how it works. Unless someone makes up a whole new religion.
And even then, they most likely try to link it to something from past culture and religion.

If it bothers you, don't celebrate it anymore. If it doesn't bother you, then keep on enjoying Christmas. It is really not a major big deal.

Yep exactly. Its avoided in the church it seems. While I still don't 100% understand it all. What I do understand is the secular stuff with santa, painting eggs, gift giving is not based from the christian view of christmas. And yet christians do it anyways not knowing its origins.

But as you said people can celebrate it if they want to or not.

 

[Sketcher]

Sounds like the author fails at interpreting Jeremiah 10. It clearly refers to the practice of idolatry. If he gets that, he doesn't get that putting up Christmas trees do not constitute idolatry. We don't pray to the tree, or believe it represents anyone or anything we pray to. It's a decoration.

 

[Avniel]

Most of the holidays we celebrate are pagan holidays.

 

[theophilus40]

Here is something you should keep in mind when deciding whether or not to celebrate Christmas.

One person esteems one day as better than another, while another esteems all days alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind.
(Romans 14:5 ESV)
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God has neither commanded not forbidden us to celebrate the birth of Jesus. Each of us must do what he believes will glorify God. If you have doubts about celebrating Christmas then you should refrain from doing so; just don't condemn those who make a different choice.

 

[Knee V]

Sounds like the author fails at interpreting Jeremiah 10. It clearly refers to the practice of idolatry. If he gets that, he doesn't get that putting up Christmas trees do not constitute idolatry. We don't pray to the tree, or believe it represents anyone or anything we pray to. It's a decoration.

Not just that, but Jeremiah 10 is not about decorating a tree. It's about cutting down a tree and carving it's wood into the shape of a god, and then decorating *that*.

 

[Treasurer]

Why do we put so much emphasis on celebrating these holidays when we don't even celebrate the days given us by God himself for us to celebrate?

Remember the Sabbath to keep it holy. Exodus 20:8 (Weekly Sabbath)

Passover, Unleavened bread, First fruits, Feast of weeks, Day of Trumpets, Day of Atonement, Tabernacles (These are Sabbaths or Holy Convocations that belong to the Lord). Read Leviticus

Then there is also land rest every seven years (the land was given a Sabbath)

I believe in a covenant, and remembering these Sabbath days are part of that covenant. Not only that but they are shadow pictures of our Messiah.

Remembering december 25th has no shadow picture of good things to come. Remembering easter every sunday in the spring shows us nothing. I never understood the this concept, since Passover is on the 14th day of the 1st month of the barley harvest (the reason for this is out of Exodus, the barley was a crop that wasn't touched by the plagues in Egypt. God declared that this would be the beginning of the year). And Jesus birthday by many scholars is believed to have happened during the feast of Tabernacles, when God said he would come and tabernacle with them.

These two dates would never be a calculated date since it is based on the beginning of the year, which is based on a new (renewed) moon siting, and the barley harvest (since no one knows when there would be an Adar Bet).

There are reasons why God wants us to remember these feast days, because they will have future fulfillments. Just as Passover did with Jesus. And firstfruits did with the resurrection of those recorded in the gospel accounts, these were the firstfruits presented to God in Heaven.

Christmas has no future fulfillment and neither does Easter.

 

[aiki]

Beware the Genetic Fallacy.

Selah.

 

[theophilus40]

I believe in a covenant, and remembering these Sabbath days are part of that covenant. Not only that but they are shadow pictures of our Messiah.

They are shadow pictures of the Messiah and they are no longer needed because we now have the reality.

Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath. These are a shadow of the things to come, but the substance belongs to Christ.
(Colossians 2:16-17 ESV)
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Christmas has no future fulfillment and neither does Easter.

They aren't meant to tell us anything about the future but to remind us of what God has done in the past.