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China could still be defeated, invaded, and conquered.

Discussion in 'General Political Discussion' started by Bouan Philippe, Jul 15, 2021.

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  1. Bouan Philippe

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    China could still be defeated, invaded, and conquered for the purpose of regime change if not for the sake of economic exploitation.

    It can be precipitated by any significant country within NATO, which doesn't require a general mobilisation of all the countries within NATO.

    Do you agree or not?
     
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  2. Ophiolite

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    But, but . . . during the invading and conquering bit, where would we get our inexpensive consumer goods from?

    Also, Napoleon and Hitler discovered it is a bad idea to invade Russia in the winter. I suggest it is a bad idea to invade China in any season. Did you have a specific reason for wanting to invade, or just a dislike that your grandchildren will have to speak Mandarin if they want a decent job?
     
  3. 1rreducibly Complex

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    NATO, UN, IMF, WHO, EU and many others are china's allies.

    Why would china's allies attack china.
     
  4. Lukaris

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    As an American, nationalist, & isolationist, I want to see a strong, sovereign America. If we can help others by humanitarian means fine; if not, then nothing else.
     
  5. miamited

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    @Bouan Philippe

    I suppose, given the right set of circumstances, any nation 'could' be defeated, invaded and conquered. However, China is one of the oldest nations on the face of the earth. They've weathered pretty well over the centuries.

    I'm curious why anyone would want to though. A lot of the topography is extremely treacherous.

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  6. PloverWing

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    1) Why would we want to invade and conquer China?

    2) China is a nuclear power. A direct war between nations that have nuclear arms could be catastrophic for the planet.
     
  7. Bouan Philippe

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    (1) Harry Truman said that the 1949 Communist revolution represented the loss of China, which meant that the new regime would be less susceptible to American and western influences.

    Short of the obvious economic exploitation, a mere reversal of this revolution would make China more easily controlled by America and Europe, which would remove the geopolitical threat of China.

    (2) Since this political forum is within the wider context of a religious forum, I believe I am still entitled to mention occultism and the use of paranormal armies to sabotage China's nuclear weapons and neutralise its conventional armaments, which would make it relatively easy to defeat, invade, and conquer their country with the minimal amount of resistance (Isaiah 37:36; 2 Kings 19:35).
     
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  9. Bouan Philippe

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    Simply because it is foretold by the scripture, which says that God's dominion would include every country throughout the world (Daniel 7:14; Zechariah 14:9; Daniel 2:34-35); but it's difficult to see how such a dominion could be worldwide without a program of military expansion by one country (if not a group of countries).

    If European integration seems difficult between similar countries who are genetically related, then it is all the more difficult between disparate cultures situated on different continents.

    The only realistic solution is to bring disparate cultures and continents together by way of aggressive military expansion as during the Age of Imperialism in the 19th century.

    Such a military expansion is already suggested by the above scripture, but also alluded by the War of Armageddon in Revelation 19.
     
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  10. Bouan Philippe

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    The inexpensive consumer goods could be obtained by the military occupation and economic exploitation of China, because the same workers would still be content to work for slave wages.

    Why is it a bad idea to invade China if the terrain and climate is not as harsh nor severe as the Russian winter?

    My reasons are simple. Revelation 19:21 says that the "Rider would kill all the enemies of Christ", except for the beast and false prophet who are mentioned in the preceding verse 20.

    However, it wouldn’t be practical to try and kill all your enemies if many happen to reside in a far distant country, who are effectively inaccessible with the exception that their country be invaded.
     
  11. Lukaris

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    Reading the Bible as an earthly, manifest destiny book is dangerous & delusional.

    Ephesians 6:12-18
     
  12. Ophiolite

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    I suppose I should thank you for your reply. Thank you.
     
  13. Bouan Philippe

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    End times theology has suggested that every country would come under God's dominion, but it's difficult to see how this could happen without a purposeful program of worldwide military expansion, which would include China as a targeted country.

    Rather than expressing the usual objections,
    can anyone see the political and economic benefits of invading China?
     
  14. Eftsoon

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    The world is interdependent. We are dependent on the Chinese to produce most of our 'stuff'. We westerners are deeply committed to our trinkets, gadgets and dohickeys. I don't think we'd fare well if we had to go back to cardboard cutout tvs/
     
  15. PloverWing

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    I suppose I'll grant that if the US successfully invaded and conquered China, China would then be more easily controlled by the US, at least for a short period of time. But it would be immoral for the US to conquer them merely because we felt like controlling them.

    Okay. If you are able to call upon paranormal armies (angels?) to neutralize China's nuclear weapons, go for it. Please ask the armies of angels to neutralize all the world's nuclear weapons, while you're at it. Nuclear weapons are a terribly dangerous scientific advance, and nuclear disarmament has had only mediocre success, because (for good reasons) opposing nations don't really trust each other. I'd be happy for the angels to take care of it.

    Jesus talked about this. The Kingdom of God is not one of military conquest. It is a way of sacrificial love that values and seeks the good of our neighbors, even those neighbors who are our enemies.
     
  16. Aryeh Jay

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    Is China going to lease us a major seaport and land for 5 or 10 years so that we can transport all the people, equipment, materials, fuel, ammunition, and other things that we will need in order to thoroughly defeat them in a short war?
     
  17. RDKirk

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    It's only difficult to see if one doesn't believe Christ will return in force with an army of angels to impose His will. There is nothing in scripture to suggest that any earthly nation--save that of the anti-christ--will accomplish it by force of arms.

    Nor would there be any significant political or economic benefit in invading China. Now that the Chinese people know what it is to be a nation unto themselves (which they had not known prior to Mao), they will fight back from the national level to individual villages. That invasion would be a nightmare.

    But let's presume some kind of miracle happens that allows the US as an earthly nation to de-stabilize the current regime. Well, an unstable China would be...like Afghanistan. Only larger with a lot more people. That invasion would still be a nightmare.

    Controlling China would require putting half the population of the US into an occupying military force.

    And what would be the benefit? Occupation is expensive.
     
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  18. public hermit

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    So, God can raise the dead, but can't be all in all without human military forces carrying out the hard work? That seems like some weak God stuff, to me.
     
  19. CatsRule2020

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    What do the Chinese leaders want. World domination is what they want. To totally control every inch of the U.S..A. and every citizen. To work us 16hrs a day 7 days a week. No religion only propaganda. No freedom.
     
  20. RDKirk

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    Of course not. They certainly want authoritative influence over the US government, but, no, they don't want the bother of actually running the country themselves from Beijing.

    Nor would the US want the bother of actually running running China from Washington DC.
     
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