Charles Finney, Altar Calls and Decisional Regeneration

[SeventhValley]

I do agree with everything you just said Dean. But wasn't it left to the local churches to take care of the teaching part?

From the revivals I have been to as a kid, you were suppose to get hooked up with a mentor at a local church.

 

[7trees]

Church growth isn't necessarily a good induction of church health and it has been stated before, 'what you win them with is what you win them to.' Unless you created that chart you need to site a source. Church ministers at the time thought Finney was doing more harm then good, his weak theology lead to what later theologians called 'burned over distincts' because Finney worked folks up into an emotional frenzy, got a profession of faith, then they fell away. The people were burnt from the false zeal and false humanistic teaching of Finney. Those that remained in mainline denominations welcomed the Liberalism of Germany and became nominal believers if there is such a thing.

Finney also admitted he lied to be ordained as a Presbyterian, he never believed in the Presbyterian Standards, he just wanted to be ordained. He claimed he never read the WCF but at his ordination he had to subscribe to it to be able to preach as a Presbyterian.

Charles Finney vs. The Westminster Confession - Michael S. Horton

Finney was very holy, a great teacher and a great revivalist.

 

[7trees]

So, basically he taught bad doctrine but because his methods worked, not his preaching...we should adopt his methods?

His doctrine has not been bettered since.

 

[7trees]

I will present videos on the legacy left to us by Charles G. Finney.

The opinions expressed herein, are not mine.

A History of C. G. Finney and Decisional Regneration (1of2) - YouTube

A History of C. G. Finney and Decisional Regneration (2of2) - YouTube

Salvation is the Work of MAN! - Charles Grandison Finney - YouTube

The Results of Charles Finney's "Theology" (Kielar) [1of2] - YouTube

The Dangers of Charles Finney's "Theology" (Kielar) [2of2] - YouTube

This opinion is, however, mine:

I guess the ends fit the means. Who cares how you get them to the altar, as long as it makes a conversion, real or not, whether they stay that way or not.

God Bless

Till all are one.

No one who read Finney's teaching or his autobiography could think so about such a holy and anointed servant of God. Holiness is not evil it is good but lukewarmness is bad. Finney was the great holiness preacher.

 

[7trees]

Nothing, it is the right thing to do.

But it should also be done because of the right reasons, not just to "pad" the church rolls like Finney was doing.

One of the last things Jesus instructed the disciples to do was to out into the world and "teach".

"Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:" -Mt. 28:19 (KJV)

"poreuqenteV oun maqhteusate panta ta eqnh, baptizonteV autouV eiV to onoma tou patroV kai tou uiou kai tou agiou pneumatoV," -Mt. 28:19 (GNT)

"maqhteuw,v \{math-ayt-yoo'-o}
[SIZE=-1]1) to be a disciple of one 1a) to follow his precepts and instructions 2) to make a disciple 2a) to teach, instruct [/SIZE]"

Greek Lexicon

He was so worried about getting people to the altar, he forgot to teach, instruct, to actually make them disciples of Christ.

But what the hey, like you said, if 25,000 of his estimated 500,000 stay converted, the end fit the means right?

Get them to the altar by "hook-or-crook".

Just like Finney, get them to come up, make a confession, and after that, your on your own.

Sinners Bound To Change Their Own Hearts

Turly a man to be admired.

God Bless

Till all are one.

Finney was nothing like you describe him.

 

[JM]

Finney lied when he was ordained according to his own biography stating he never believed the Westminster Standards that he was sworn to teach. His Systematic Theology is rank humanism and the church has suffered ever since.

Finneyism


The Disturbing Legacy of Charles Finney
Web Page by Dr Michael s Horton
CHARLES G. FINNEY: Heretic or Man of God? Part I
Web Page by Richard Belcher
CHARLES G. FINNEY: Heretic or Man of God? Part II
Web Page by Richard Belcher
CHARLES G. FINNEY: Heretic or Man of God? Part III
Web Page by Richard Belcher
Decisional Regeneration
PDF by James E Adams
Theology of Charles Finney: System of Self Reformation
PDF by Jay E Smith
Charles Finney & Revivalism Part 1
Web Page by Michael Haykin
Charles Finney & Revivalism Part 2
Web Page by Michael Haykin
Charles Finney & Revivalism Part 3
Web Page by Michael Haykin
Charles Finney's Influence on American Evangelicalism
Web Page by Bob DeWaay
How Does Doctrine Affect Evangelism?
Web Page by unknown
How Does Doctrine Affect Evangelism? The Divergent Paths of Asahel Nettleton and Charles Finney
Web Page by Rick Nelson
Finney: The Aftermath
Web Page by Monte E Wilson
Charles Finney's Assault Upon Biblical Preaching
Web Page by Don Strickland
Charles Finney on Theology and Worship
Web Page by Lawrence R Rast Jr
Walther And Finney
Web Page by Tom Baker
Charles G. Finney: How Theology Affects Understanding of Revival
Web Page by Iain H Murray
Charles Finney and the Disappearance of Revival
Web Page by Clive Taylor
Charles Finney's Assault Upon Biblical Preaching
Web Page by Don Strickland
Charles Finney and his Legacy
Audio/MP3 by Dr Nick Needham
Charles G. Finney and the Second Great Awakening
PDF by Bob Pyke
Charles Grandison Finney: The Aftermath
PDF by Monte E Wilson
A Wolf in Sheep's Clothing
Web Page by Phillip R Johnson
Finney's Lecture's on Theology
Web Page by Charles Hodge
Charles Finney's Doctrine of Justification
Web Page by David H Linden
On Revivals of Religion: Review of Charles G. Finney, Part 1
Web Page by Albert Dod
Manipulated 'Decisions' Lead To Gospel-Hardening
Web Page by Joel R Beeke
On Revivals of Religion: Review of Charles Finney – Part Two
Web Page by Albert Dod
The Question of Altar Calls
Web Page by Stephen J Nichols, Steven J Lawson, R C Sproul
Together Against Extrabiblical Methods
Web Page by Jeremiah Johnson

 

[7trees]

Finney lied when he was ordained according to his own biography stating he never believed the Westminster Standards that he was sworn to teach. His Systematic Theology is rank humanism and the church has suffered ever since.

Finneyism


The Disturbing Legacy of Charles Finney
Web Page by Dr Michael s Horton
CHARLES G. FINNEY: Heretic or Man of God? Part I
Web Page by Richard Belcher
CHARLES G. FINNEY: Heretic or Man of God? Part II
Web Page by Richard Belcher
CHARLES G. FINNEY: Heretic or Man of God? Part III
Web Page by Richard Belcher
Decisional Regeneration
PDF by James E Adams
Theology of Charles Finney: System of Self Reformation
PDF by Jay E Smith
Charles Finney & Revivalism Part 1
Web Page by Michael Haykin
Charles Finney & Revivalism Part 2
Web Page by Michael Haykin
Charles Finney & Revivalism Part 3
Web Page by Michael Haykin
Charles Finney's Influence on American Evangelicalism
Web Page by Bob DeWaay
How Does Doctrine Affect Evangelism?
Web Page by unknown
How Does Doctrine Affect Evangelism? The Divergent Paths of Asahel Nettleton and Charles Finney
Web Page by Rick Nelson
Finney: The Aftermath
Web Page by Monte E Wilson
Charles Finney's Assault Upon Biblical Preaching
Web Page by Don Strickland
Charles Finney on Theology and Worship
Web Page by Lawrence R Rast Jr
Walther And Finney
Web Page by Tom Baker
Charles G. Finney: How Theology Affects Understanding of Revival
Web Page by Iain H Murray
Charles Finney and the Disappearance of Revival
Web Page by Clive Taylor
Charles Finney's Assault Upon Biblical Preaching
Web Page by Don Strickland
Charles Finney and his Legacy
Audio/MP3 by Dr Nick Needham
Charles G. Finney and the Second Great Awakening
PDF by Bob Pyke
Charles Grandison Finney: The Aftermath
PDF by Monte E Wilson
A Wolf in Sheep's Clothing
Web Page by Phillip R Johnson
Finney's Lecture's on Theology
Web Page by Charles Hodge
Charles Finney's Doctrine of Justification
Web Page by David H Linden
On Revivals of Religion: Review of Charles G. Finney, Part 1
Web Page by Albert Dod
Manipulated 'Decisions' Lead To Gospel-Hardening
Web Page by Joel R Beeke
On Revivals of Religion: Review of Charles Finney – Part Two
Web Page by Albert Dod
The Question of Altar Calls
Web Page by Stephen J Nichols, Steven J Lawson, R C Sproul
Together Against Extrabiblical Methods
Web Page by Jeremiah Johnson

Untrue. Having high moral standards is necessary to holiness of life. Few people have read or understood Finney's Systematic Theology. They normally quote others quoting him out of context.

 

[DeaconDean]

Awaken of long dead thread.

God Bless

Till all are one.

 

[JM]

Please, do not fall for the (Baptist) traditions of men! Finney was not a "good" guy let alone a "holy or anointed" servant. That sounds Pentecostal not Baptist anyway...you must examine yourselves! (2 Cor. 13:5)

Yours in the Lord.