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CERN's Large Hadron Collider and the End Times

Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by Slaol121, Feb 21, 2011.

  1. Slaol121

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    For the past couple of years, I've been personally interested in the experiments being conducted by the CERN Laboratory in Switzerland with their "Large Hadron Collider".

    For those of you who might not know about the LHC, here is a short introduction movie:

    YouTube - Brian Cox: What really goes on at the Large Hadron Collider


    In a nutshell, the people at CERN are attempting to discover [what they call] "Secret Dimensions". In addition to this, they hope to discover the "Missing Higgs", or the "god particle" - the particle that is responsible for holding the universe together.

    As someone with a science background, I find this project to be strangely fascinating. I think this represents a pivotal moment in human history with regards to our understanding of the very nature of our physical existence.

    As a Christian, however, there are a couple of aspects to the CERN project that causes me to raise my eyebrows:

    1. The logo of CERN appears to be three sixes superimposed on each other.

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    2. Outside the CERN headquarters, there is a huge bronze statue of Nataraja, Hindu Lord Shiva performing his dance of creation and destruction.


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    Do the experiments being conducted at CERN with the Large Hadron Collider have spiritual ramifications?

    Has God forbidden man to unlock these so-called "Secret Dimensions"?

    Is there a chance that CERN could be part of God's fulfillment of end-times prophecy?
     
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  2. Handmaid for Jesus

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    When I read your post, I was reminded of these scriptures.

    Gen. 3:22And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

    23Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken. 24So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.

    Gen.11:1And the whole earth was of one language, and of one speech.

    2And it came to pass, as they journeyed from the east, that they found a plain in the land of Shinar; and they dwelt there.
    3And they said one to another, Go to, let us make brick, and burn them thoroughly. And they had brick for stone, and slime had they for morter.
    4And they said, Go to, let us build us a city and a tower, whose top may reach unto heaven; and let us make us a name, lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth.
    5And the LORD came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of men builded.
    6And the LORD said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do.
    7Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech.
    8So the LORD scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth: and they left off to build the city. 9Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because the LORD did there confound the language of all the earth: and from thence did the LORD scatter them abroad upon the face of all the earth.

    It shows that God steps in whenever man reaches too far. It was so in the past, and God does not change.
     
  3. Bible2

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    Possibly.

    The failing of our current science is that it limits itself to that which is physical, thereby cutting itself off from the most fundamental (i.e. a spiritual) explanation of that which exists: "As thou knowest not what is the way of the spirit... even so thou knowest not the works of God who maketh all" (Ecclesiastes 11:5).

    Even though spirit isn't physical, the relationship between the spiritual and the physical may be analogous to the relationship between energy and matter. Just as the relationship of energy to matter (that which has mass) is summarized by the equation e=mc^2 (superscript 2), which means that immense amounts of energy are congealed and compacted as it were in order to form each tiny particle of matter, so the relationship between spirit and energy could theoretically be summarized by the equation s=ec^2 (superscript 2), meaning that immense amounts of spirit may be congealed and compacted as it were in order to form each tiny photon of energy.

    Basing all energy on spirit in the same manner that all matter is based on energy would make sense, for God is a Spirit (John 4:24), and in him everything -- and so all energy -- consists (Colossians 1:17, Acts 17:28). What science is looking for in its search for the Grand Unifying Force ultimately behind all forces in the universe would be nothing other than spirit, so that by continuing to reject the whole idea of spiriit, science can never hope to understand the universe at its most fundamental level or what its ultimate origin was.

    When man-made equations regarding the physical laws of the universe require the inclusion of infinities, these infinities shouldn't be seen as "failures" ultimately, but as pointers to something which goes beyond the boundaries of the physical. This something is spirit (Ecclesiastes 11:5). The infinities in the man-made equations regarding such things as the Big Bang singularity, black holes and quantum entanglement might be able to be reduced to proportional numbers once spirit becomes understood mathematically. And this could then lead to both good technology (spiritual power plants) and evil technology (spiritual bombs), just as understanding the nuclei of atoms led to both good technology (nuclear power plants) and evil technology (nuclear bombs).

    Spirit could consist of both particles (spiritons) and waves at the same time, just as energy consists of both particles (photons) and waves (electromagnetic waves) at the same time. If spirit is equivalent to consciousness, and consciousness consists of logic, emotion and memory, then spiritual waves could consist of three different sine waves (logic waves, emotion waves and memory waves) which could be interlocked at 120-degree angles, just as electromagnetism consists of two different sine waves (electric waves and magnetic waves) interlocked at a 90-degree angle. But by our current, strictly-physical-based mathematics, a spiritual wave or a spiriton would show up in a calculation as an infinity, and so it could be mistakenly rejected by our current science as a "failure". It's possible that by creating a mathematics which involves seven dimensions of spacetime, the apparently-infinite value of a spiritual wave or a spiriton could be reduced to a proportional value.

    Maybe not.

    String Theory has shown that it's mathematically possible that spacetime has more than four dimensions. Because of observations such as Daniel 5:5, John 20:26, and Luke 24:31, the spiritual realm must consist of at least three "higher" spatial dimensions in which spiritual entities are able to move about without being seen by entities in the three physical spatial dimensions. The spiritual spatial dimensions are "higher" than the physical spatial dimensions in the same sense that the third physical spatial dimension is "higher" than the first two physical spatial dimensions. And so from the spiritual realm, the physical realm must appear "flat", just as from three physical spatial dimensions something in only two physical spatial dimensions appears flat. An entity with access to the spiritual spatial dimensions can do such things as enter only part of himself into the physical realm (Daniel 5:5), or suddenly appear in a locked room (John 20:26), or suddenly disappear (Luke 24:31). This ability would apply not only to spiritual beings, but to any spiritual wave or particle.

    If spiritual particles exist, they could be "the God Particle" of science. If the Large Hadron Collider reaches a high-enough energy level so that a "God Particle" manifests for a nanosecond, its observed qualities might only be able to be described (by our current science) by equations involving infinite values, so that its qualities and actions would be seen as "impossible" and "spooky" by our current science, instead of science finally admitting to the existence of a substance which isn't physical: spirit (Ecclesiastes 11:5). And this wouldn't have to be seen by scientists as some weird, foreign substance, but rather as the most fundamental substance of even their own selves (1 Thessalonians 5:23).

    Possibly.

    The really sad and dangerous thing is that even if science does eventually detect "the God Particle" and comes to admit that it's a non-physical particle, which science could call the "spiriton", some scientists could still refuse to believe in and submit themselves to God (YHWH), saying that the existence of spirit doesn't require that there's one infinite, conscious spirit-being called "God" or "YHWH". And in its subsequent experiments with spirit, science could come into contact with the evil spirit-being called Satan, or Lucifer, who could manifest himself in some high-energy experiment and claim that he's the true God of mankind and must be worshipped, so that a nascent "spiritual science" could be hijacked and employed by Lucifer and his worshippers as one part of their coming deception by which the whole world eventually will be deceived into worshipping Lucifer (the dragon) and his human son the Antichrist (the beast) (Revelation 13:4-18).

    One aspect of this deception could be that Lucifer will show mankind how to build a huge spiritual machine, a single device the size of the Empire State Building which will be able to send up into the sky an incredibly powerful spiritual beam analogous to a laser. Near the end of the tribulation, Lucifer could tell mankind that it will need to employ this huge weapon during an impending battle against YHWH (Revelation 16:14b, Revelation 19:19). Mixing some science fiction with some ancient lies of Gnosticism, Lucifer could tell mankind something like:

    "YHWH is now heading toward the earth in his gigantic spaceship which is shaped like a Borg Cube [cf. Revelation 21:2a,16]. He's coming to enslave you and to turn you all into Borg-like automatons. But this mighty Tower Device will be able to blow his Borg Cube and him to bits with its spiritual ray. Then we can focus the Tower Device on any point of empty space until it burns a hole in spacetime, a portal through which I will lead your spirits out of this vile material universe which YHWH made to be your prison, and I will lead you back up into the purely-spiritual realm of the Pleroma, where you can live in bliss as gods forever, doing as you please, just as you had done for all ages past with me before you by some mishap fell into YHWH's trap".

    Before the second coming happens, Lucifer could prove the power of the Tower Device to mankind by letting the Antichrist or his False Prophet use it to blow up some large asteroids out in space, so that mankind will go into its battle against YHWH in full confidence that it will be able to destroy him. But when the battle comes the Device won't work against YHWH (cf. Psalms 21:11, KJV). Instead, Jesus Christ (who is YHWH: John 10:30, Zechariah 14:3-4) will take total victory in the battle (Revelation 19:11-20:6).
     
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  4. Blackwater Babe

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    They look more like 2 superimposed supercoliders, than 3 6s to me.
     
  5. laconicstudent

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    Are physicists not allowed to be Hindus, or is CERN not allowed to have beautiful statuary?

    Heck, my city hall has a Buddha statue sent from a sister city in Japan or something in sympathy for 9/11 sitting in a small park outside. It doesn't mean my city is Buddhist or has some nefarious eschatological significance.
     
  6. gracechick

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    Thank you for posting about CERN as Christsfreeservant and myself had it impressed upon us strongly about a year ago. Science is not my best subject so please do post more if you have other thoughts on this research. I will have to catch the video later. & you're right in that in that CERN has an interesting logo.
     
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  8. Zadok7000

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    Not unless you can point the specific scripture that propheseys this...
     
  9. NumberOneSon

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    How? If you count all of the spokes I can imagine there being five 6's in the logo; if you only count the number of objects in the logo, then there would only be two sixes (one frontwards, one backwards). How you see three 6's - and only three - superimposed on each other is truly a mystery.

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  10. Slaol121

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    The three prominent lines in the logo make up the tails of these sixes - this is what I was referring to. I also said they appear to make up three sixes, not that this was actually what the logo was.;)
     
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