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Catholics, why is it necessary to believe that Mary was immaculately conceived?

Discussion in 'Denomination Specific Theology' started by Ecclesiastian, Apr 22, 2019.

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  1. HeartenedHeart

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    She was neither.
     
  2. ChristianForCats

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    So what made the conception immaculate?
     
  3. Albion

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    The presumption is that God suspended the inheritance of Original Sin (with which mortals are born) in her case, knowing that she would conceive and give birth to Jesus.
     
  4. HeartenedHeart

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    Nothing, as it never happened, and no such thing exists except in the erroneous dogma of Rome.
     
  5. ChristianForCats

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    Are you saying Mary was never born despite the obvious fact she gave birth to Jesus?
     
  6. Monk Brendan

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    I think all Protestants on here should know that the doctrine of the Immaculate Conception does NOT mean that Mary was herself conceived and born virginally.

    However, it is significant that in the Greek NT, she is the only one called KEKhITOMENOI. The root of this word is KhARIS, which throughout the NT means "grace".

    This is one place where the KJV committee fudged the translation.

    Beyond this, I will go no farther. The only Marian doctrine that I will defend on line is that she is truly Theotokos, and her Son is God incarnate.

    This is a new enough idea to many Christians.
     
  7. HeartenedHeart

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    Strange question considering my reply.

    Mary was born as any other child after Adam's sin, that is to say through sexual union in marriage between her father (Heli; Luk. 3:23) and mother, and she inherited the same flesh as all children do since Adam's fall, which is to say fallen sinful flesh.

    There is nothing 'immaculate' about it.
     
  8. doctorwho29

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    Honestly I've never understood this at all, even when I was Catholic. The Bible says nothing on the Immaculate Conception of Mary nor that she was sinless NOR that she was always a Virgin (Jesus had siblings people). If God could shield Mary from sin, then why not just do the same for all of us? Why the cross?
     
  9. Monk Brendan

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    How do you manage to separate "Jesus" from "Christ"?

    This is nothing but the old heresy of Nestorianism.

    It was wrong 1600 (or so) years ago, and is STILL wrong today.
     
  10. Hank77

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    We know from scripture that God favored her before she conceived. The word used in Luke is 'charitoo' which is the same word used in Eph.

    Eph 1:6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.

    So for me, I see Mary as being 'made accepted/favored/filled with grace, at some point before the conception. But that doesn't say to me that she was born without the nature to sin or that she never sinned or never would sin after Jesus was born.

    Above all else, Mary must have been a very special young woman to have been chosen by God to care for, raise, and love as a mother God's very own Son and the Redeemer of the world.
    Thank you, Father for Mary and for your Son, Jesus the Christ.
     
  11. Shimokita

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    If Cats is asking whether Mary is impeccable, I do not think the Catholic Church has any formal position on that, although many theologians seems to take that view. The fact that she did not sin is dogma, but whether or not she could have sinned is still an open question, from what I understand.
     
  12. Shimokita

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    Well, at least we have temporarily moved on from the beast of revelation. Progress.
     
  13. ChristianForCats

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    Which Bible version do you read? If it truly did not state Mary was a virgin, nobody would suggest that to be true. There are Bibles that call her a "young woman," but they are new versions, not like the originals.
     
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    Actually it never says they were the Blessed Mothers children.
     
  15. HeartenedHeart

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    Correct, they were Joseph's.
     
  16. HeartenedHeart

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    Being a virgin to start with (she was) and the false claim of staying a virgin (error of Rome) are two differing things. Not synonymous.
     
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    Please do not correct my post, it is against the rules and you will be reported next time. I am sorry your heart harbors so much hate for Traditional Christianity and the Theotokos
     
  18. doctorwho29

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    Very strongly implied as she appeared alongside His brothers and sisters. Honestly, either they were hers or Joseph has some explaining to do
     
  19. HeartenedHeart

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    Do what evil you will. I will do as I will to correct error.
     
  20. HeartenedHeart

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    Another gross heresy.
     
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