Catholics, what exactly do you believe about Mary?

[Major1]

What denomination are you major1?

I am a born again Christian. I was educated at a secular college and also undergraduate work at a Presbyterian University and attend a non-denominational church.

 

[Goatee]

The Scriptures tell us that they were Jesus' actual siblings/brothers, that is, half brothers, sons of Joseph and Mary. That is the most logical way to understand those Scriptures.

I say again to you that the only reason to not accept them as the obvious answer is so that the perpetual virginity of Mary can be maintained. There is no other reason than that possible my friend.

That is why you accept them "cousins and others". It has NOTHING to do with what I think or believe at all. It only has to do with the Catholic doctrine of the perpetual virginity of Mary.
Now if that is what you choose to believe, fine and dandy with me. I really do not care.

Where does it say they were his 'actual' or 'biological' siblings? Can you quote that then as you say you read the Bible 'literally'. I must have missed that word in the text.

 

[Goatee]

I am a born again Christian. I was educated at a secular college and also undergraduate work at a Presbyterian University and attend a non-denominational church.

I thought you were a retired pastor? Which denomination my friend?

 

[Major1]

No, what you favor is to be your own authority, rather than to be under the authority of the Church that Jesus founded. That is basically what it comes down to. You want to be in control and have everything be your way. You say "I will stick with God's Word" only as a pretense to do whatever you want, and to substitute your own judgement for the judgement of his church.

But I am not your judge nor your enemy.

You are incorrect. You are welcome to your opinion just as I am mine. The problem here and everywhere else is that when the truth of God's Word smacks up against your Catholic dogma, the only recourse left open to you is the personal one.

I have NO authority what so ever my friend. Never said I did.

I in fact have NO control over anyone. My own dog does not even do what I tell him to do.

You are just irritated at me because I dare to suggest that the Catholic Church you belong to just may not be doing the things we are asked to do in the Bible and it makes you angry.

 

[Major1]

Where does it say they were his 'actual' or 'biological' siblings? Can you quote that then as you say you read the Bible 'literally'. I must have missed that word in the text.

The word you are needing to grasp is......"OBVIOUSE".

 

[PeaceB]

Absolutely correct! It does NOT say that but that is the way I understand it.

So the question remains, did Jesus have siblings? Four men—James, Joses, Simon, and Judas—are mentioned as the brothers or siblings of Jesus. That is what is printed in Matthew 13:55; Mark 6:3.

The Scriptures tell us that they were Jesus' actual siblings/brothers, that is, half brothers, sons of Joseph and Mary. That is the most logical way to understand those Scriptures.

I say again to you that the only reason to not accept them as the obvious answer is so that the perpetual virginity of Mary can be maintained. There is no other reason than that possible my friend.

That is why you accept them "cousins and others". It has NOTHING to do with what I think or believe at all. It only has to do with the Catholic doctrine of the perpetual virginity of Mary.
Now if that is what you choose to believe, fine and dandy with me. I really do not care.

And yet having four brothers, Jesus decides to send Mary to live with not a single one of them, but with the Apostle John.

That makes a lot of sense. Not.

So the soldiers did these things, 25 but standing by the cross of Jesus were his mother and his mother's sister, Mary the wife of Clopas, and Mary Magdalene. 26 When Jesus saw his mother and the disciple whom he loved standing nearby, he said to his mother, “Woman, behold, your son!” 27 Then he said to the disciple, “Behold, your mother!” And from that hour the disciple took her to his own home.​

 

[Goatee]

You are incorrect. You are welcome to your opinion just as I am mine. The problem here and everywhere else is that when the truth of God's Word smacks up against your Catholic dogma, the only recourse left open to you is the personal one.

I have NO authority what so ever my friend. Never said I did.

I in fact have NO control over anyone. My own dog does not even do what I tell him to do.

You are just irritated at me because I dare to suggest that the Catholic Church you belong to just may not be doing the things we are asked to do in the Bible and it makes you angry.

From what i can see friend, it is 'you' that reads scripture with your own 'personal' view.

 

[Major1]

I thought you were a retired pastor? Which denomination my friend?

As I said.....Non-denominational.

 

[Goatee]

The word you are needing to grasp is......"OBVIOUSE".

Sorry, but i looked at the scripture you linked but i don't see the word 'actual'.

 

[Major1]

From what i can see friend, it is 'you' that reads scripture with your own 'personal' view.

Not so at all. I am sorry that you feel that way but "Obviously" that is not the case.

 

[Goatee]

As I said.....Non-denominational.

Oh, ok, sorry as i didn't realise you could have a non-denomination parish and pastor. Didn't realise that. Thank you

 

[Major1]

Sorry, but i looked at the scripture you linked but i don't see the word 'actual'.

I looked up "Rosary" and I could not find it in the Scriptures.

I looked up "Transubstantiation" in the Bible and could not find it either.

I looked up the need to pray to Mary in the Scriptures and I could not find it either.

 

[Goatee]

Not so at all. I am sorry that you feel that way but "Obviously" that is not the case.

So how do you read it then? You said you are non-denom so i presume what you gain from scripture is from what 'you' as an individual believe.

 

[Major1]

And yet having four brothers, Jesus decides to send Mary to live with not a single one of them, but with the Apostle John.

That makes a lot of sense. Not.

So the soldiers did these things, 25 but standing by the cross of Jesus were his mother and his mother's sister, Mary the wife of Clopas, and Mary Magdalene. 26 When Jesus saw his mother and the disciple whom he loved standing nearby, he said to his mother, “Woman, behold, your son!” 27 Then he said to the disciple, “Behold, your mother!” And from that hour the disciple took her to his own home.​

I have no idea what your point is.

 

[Goatee]

I looked up "Rosary" and I could not find it in the Scriptures.

I looked up "Transubstantiation" in the Bible and could not find it either.

I looked up the need to pray to Mary in the Scriptures and I could not find it either.

I looked up 'Solar Scripture' and did not see it in the Bible

I still cannot find the word 'actual' that you said was in the scripture you linked too my friend.

 

[Major1]

So how do you read it then? You said you are non-denom so i presume what you gain from scripture is from what 'you' as an individual believe.

No sir, not at all. It simply means that a church is not affiliated with a group of other churches financially.

 

[Goatee]

I have no idea what your point is.

At the foot of the Cross, Jesus gives His Mother to John. Why? When you say he has several 'biological' siblings to choose from?

 

[Goatee]

No sir, not at all. It simply means that a church is not affiliated with a group of other churches financially.

I think you answered the wrong question.

 

[PeaceB]

You are incorrect. You are welcome to your opinion just as I am mine. The problem here and everywhere else is that when the truth of God's Word smacks up against your Catholic dogma, the only recourse left open to you is the personal one.

No dogma of the Catholic Church contradicts Sacred Scripture, and you have not proven otherwise.

I have NO authority what so ever my friend. Never said I did.

I in fact have NO control over anyone. My own dog does not even do what I tell him to do.

And you also reject the authority of the Church that Jesus founded. You have no ability to discern the truth whatsoever. You are a reed shaken in the wind.

You are just irritated at me because I dare to suggest that the Catholic Church you belong to just may not be doing the things we are asked to do in the Bible and it makes you angry.

No, I am irritated by your lack of understanding of Scripture.

But I am not your judge nor your enemy.

 

[Major1]

I looked up 'Solar Scripture' and did not see it in the Bible

I still cannot find the word 'actual' that you said was in the scripture you linked too my friend.

2 Timothy 3:16
" All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,".

I understand why you can not believe in Sola Scriptura as the Catholic church wanders so far from you would have to reject it.