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Featured Catholics, what exactly do you believe about Mary?

Discussion in 'Denomination Specific Theology' started by melody5697, May 22, 2017.

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  1. Goatee

    Goatee Jesus, please forgive me, a sinner.

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    It does not state that Mary bore any more children.

    In Jewish tradition it was always the immediate next of kin that took care of the mother or father. I thought you would have known that?
     
  2. Goatee

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    My friend, you claim to be correct while the CC is not. That is your view. I prefer the view of the 'True' church, the CC.
     
  3. Albion

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    It says that Jesus, whom the Bible identifies as having been born of Mary, had brothers and sisters, so don't say that there is nothing in scripture which speaks to the matter.

    Jesus often departed from Jewish regulations and customs. I thought you would have known that.
     
  4. Goatee

    Goatee Jesus, please forgive me, a sinner.

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    Brothers and sisters, as i pointed out, were called that in Jesus's time, even when they were not biologically related! You fail to accept that.

    Nowhere in the Bible does it carry the word 'Bible'. Nowhere does it say 'Holy Trinity'

    Do you pray any prayers that are not written in the Bible? Or do you only pray the Psalms?
     
  5. Albion

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    You fail to appreciate the point here. You claimed that the Bible was silent on the matter. It is not.

    There is, as I laid it out in my previous post, certain information that undeniably bears upon this issue. You can argue for a different interpretation; indeed you have already told us that you chose the interpretation that you like best. You cannot also argue that the Bible offers us nothing that would guide us in deciding this matter...and certainly not the information that supports the most likely explanation.
     
  6. Goatee

    Goatee Jesus, please forgive me, a sinner.

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    I think you will find it is Peter not Paul my friend!

    You say you read as it is written but decide to not read the scripture in 1 Peter as 'written' but the others as 'written'. Of course Peter is saying 'brother' and 'Son' in a loving way and not in reference to them being biological siblings. Much the same as scripture says about the 'Brothers & Sisters' of Our Lord Jesus Christ.
     
  7. Goatee

    Goatee Jesus, please forgive me, a sinner.

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    All authority does not stop when the Bible is closed shut. The Holy Spirit lives on in us, in the church.

    Jesus said the Holy Spirit would be there all the time:

    John 14
    Jesus Promises to Send the Holy Spirit

    16 I will ask the Father, and he will give you another helper who will be with you forever. 17 That helper is the Spirit of Truth. The world cannot accept him, because it doesn’t see or know him. You know him, because he lives with you and will be in you.

    25 “I have told you this while I’m still with you. 26 However, the helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you everything. He will remind you of everything that I have ever told you.


    Matthew 18:16-18
    16 But if he does not listen, take one or two others along with you, that every word may be confirmed by the evidence of two or three witnesses. 17 If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector. 18 Truly, I say to you, whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

    The church does indeed have authority
     
  8. Albion

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    Not to invent doctrines on its own. And neither of those two Bible passages suggests that it does.
     
  9. Goatee

    Goatee Jesus, please forgive me, a sinner.

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    You do realise that you can indeed be fallible in your reading of scripture. Give a portion of scripture to, say, 100 people and you will get many different interpretation. Which one is correct?
     
  10. Goatee

    Goatee Jesus, please forgive me, a sinner.

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    'Most likely explanation' as chosen by you.

    This is what i like as it gives true facts about how people actually lived in Jesus time:

    Brother Definition and Meaning - Bible Dictionary
     
  11. Goatee

    Goatee Jesus, please forgive me, a sinner.

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    Again, thats how you see things.
     
  12. Albion

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    No, just the most likely interpretation--thinking that brothers and sisters might refer to brothers and sisters.

    Notice that I haven't insisted that your interpretation is impossible, just that you have one, that it is unlikely, and that the Bible does speak to the matter and is not silent.
     
  13. Goatee

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    Well, duh. Since I have spent some time explaining the situation to you, I guess I can agree that I have an interpretation, just as you do. Yes, that is right.:rolleyes:
     
  15. Goatee

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  17. Goatee

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    'Probably' not being 'fact'.

    You left this out:

    Bother:

     
  18. Goatee

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    Brother. [N] [E]

    The Hebrew word is used in various senses in the Old Testament, as,

    1. Any kinsman, and not a mere brother; e.g. nephew, ( Genesis 13:8 ; 14:16 ) husband, ( Solomon 4:9 )
    2. One of the same tribe. ( 2 Samuel 19:13 )
    3. Of the same people, ( Exodus 2:11 ) or even of a cognate people. ( Numbers 20:14 )
    4. An ally. ( Amos 1:9 )
    5. Any friend, ( Job 5:15 )
    6. One of the same office. ( 1 Kings 9:13 )
    7. A fellow man. ( Leviticus 19:17 )
    8. Metaphorically of any similarity, as in ( Job 30:19 ) The word adelphos has a similar range of meanings in the New Testament.
     
  19. Goatee

    Goatee Jesus, please forgive me, a sinner.

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    Also, people say that 'James', one of the 12 was the biological 'brother' of Jesus. But, if we look at this bit of scripture look what is said about 'James'

    Matthew 10
    The Twelve Apostles
    10 And he called to him his twelve disciples and gave them authority over unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal every disease and every infirmity. 2 The names of the twelve apostles are these: first, Simon, who is called Peter, and Andrew his brother; James the son of Zeb′edee, and John his brother; 3 Philip and Bartholomew; Thomas and Matthew the tax collector; James the son of Alphaeus, and Thaddaeus;4 Simon the Cananaean, and Judas Iscariot, who betrayed him.

    Why is he called son of Alphaeus when people say he is the biological brother of Our Lord?

    James was indeed a 'brother' of Jesus. As were all the Apostles! Not 'biological brothers'
     
  20. Goatee

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    So, if that is so, do you believe the 'literal' meaning of this passage:

    John 6:53
    53 So Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, you have no life in you;
     
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