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Discussion in 'General Theology' started by HRDJ, Aug 8, 2017.

  1. amariselle

    amariselle Jesus Never Fails

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    Now that is not what I said at all. My point is that Scripture is clear, salvation is by grace through faith and it is not a complicated multi step process whereby one must go through various ordinances and rituals to receive it. A person is saved the moment they trust entirely in Christ, in faith, knowing they cannot and will not be able to save themselves.

    We need sound doctrine now more than ever.
     
  2. BNR32FAN

    BNR32FAN He’s a Way of life Supporter

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    They were actually called Christian churches not catholic.
     
  3. OrthodoxyUSA

    OrthodoxyUSA Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Scripture is obviously not clear (or you and I would agree on everything), and your supposition of not needing the various rituals is exactly what I was talking about.

    Salvation is a destination not a light switch. We work towards it and hope to be saved.

    Forgive me...
     
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  4. OrthodoxyUSA

    OrthodoxyUSA Well-Known Member Supporter

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    You speak Greek? Katholikos? Kata holos?


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  5. amariselle

    amariselle Jesus Never Fails

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    So, we can never know we are saved? And we do in fact need to earn our salvation?
     
  6. amariselle

    amariselle Jesus Never Fails

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    1 John 5

    1 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.

    2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.

    3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

    4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.

    5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?

    6 This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth.

    7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

    8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.

    9 If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son.

    10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.

    11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.

    12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.

    13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

    14 And this is the confidence that we have in him, that, if we ask any thing according to his will, he heareth us:

    15 And if we know that he hear us, whatsoever we ask, we know that we have the petitions that we desired of him.

    16 If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.

    17 All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.

    18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

    19 And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.

    20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.

    21 Little children, keep yourselves from idols. Amen.
     
  7. BNR32FAN

    BNR32FAN He’s a Way of life Supporter

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    No sir
     
  8. OrthodoxyUSA

    OrthodoxyUSA Well-Known Member Supporter

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    We don't earn it. That's simply not how it works. Denying the grace granted through sacraments does not help.
    We are here to struggle. Assurance leads to spiritual death for failure to struggle. No need to fast, no need to pray, no need to be baptized, no need to confess, no need to partake in The Holy Eucharist. There is nothing that you can do, so there's no need in you doing anything. The devil loves that, it's one of his best deceptions. Go ahead, feel at ease.

    No, we are not saved. We hope to be saved. We fight for it.

    Salvation through faith alone. Hollow, empty, devoid of meaning. Words with no actions.

    Forgive me...
     
  9. BNR32FAN

    BNR32FAN He’s a Way of life Supporter

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    I politely disagree brother. We work towards honoring God. Our salvation is already taken care of when we believe.
     
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  10. OrthodoxyUSA

    OrthodoxyUSA Well-Known Member Supporter

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    You're telling me they did not refer to themselves as kata holos. What history book was that?

    Or are you denying it because you cant find it in the bible? Japan's not in there either.

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  11. OrthodoxyUSA

    OrthodoxyUSA Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Can you offer your AMEN (agreement) during the Anaphora prayers?

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  12. BNR32FAN

    BNR32FAN He’s a Way of life Supporter

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    No I was answering your question do I read Greek
     
  13. OrthodoxyUSA

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    [​IMG]

    Forgive me...
     
  14. BNR32FAN

    BNR32FAN He’s a Way of life Supporter

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    I'm not familiar with the Anaphora prayers
     
  15. OrthodoxyUSA

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    That's a very focused word study. You going to leave out all the rest?

    Baptism is for what according to scripture?

    Forgive me...
     
  16. OrthodoxyUSA

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    Yeah, I know. And therefore you are not my brother. You stand in the room of the unlearned not able to offer your AMEN because you do not understand what is being said... and that's a pity.

    1Co 14:16-17
    Else when thou shalt bless with the spirit, how shall he that occupieth the room of the unlearned say Amen at thy giving of thanks, seeing he understandeth not what thou sayest? For thou verily givest thanks well, but the other is not edified.

    Forgive me...
     
  17. BNR32FAN

    BNR32FAN He’s a Way of life Supporter

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    Is baptism necessary for salvation?
     
  18. OrthodoxyUSA

    OrthodoxyUSA Well-Known Member Supporter

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    It can be. It's for the remission of sins. Salvation is not the same for everyone. It's a hospital with medicine and doctors, not a court room of lawyers.

    Forgive me...
     
  19. OrthodoxyUSA

    OrthodoxyUSA Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Believing is the beginning. Not the end.

    Forgive me...
     
  20. BNR32FAN

    BNR32FAN He’s a Way of life Supporter

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    That's ok I accept everyone as my brother or sister regardless of their knowledge of the scriptures.
     
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