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Carlton Pearson and the Doctrine of Inclusion

Discussion in 'Controversial Christian Theology' started by Oak Jam, Jul 19, 2021.

  1. Oak Jam

    Oak Jam New Member

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    Anyone familiar with this theology? Carlton Pearson was a Pentecostal televangelist that got the "revelation" that God wasn't sending anyone to hell.

    Everybody goes to Heaven, basically. Hell doesn't exist.

     
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  2. sandman

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    He's part right about ...there is no eternal torment ....Just perrish .....annulation.
    We must accept the Words definition of sheol, which is the state or time in the grave rather than the meanings that were attached to the word hades, which is the Greek counterpart to the Hebrew word sheol.


    John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish (apollymi) but have everlasting life.
     
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  4. Oak Jam

    Oak Jam New Member

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    So there is no hell?
     
  5. sandman

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    Hell ….as per todays definition… is burning forever …eternal torment…etc etc. This widely accepted definition is so prevalent that even the secular community has accepted and uses it.

    Religion uses it to scare the hell out of people …and if I went by what religion teaches (specifically Catholicism) I would be going to hell so many times there wouldn’t be room enough for anybody else.

    While there is nothing necessarily appealing about annulation in the end …. the picture that paints is not as scary and as motivating as burning forever….

    The two great motivators in the world are fear and love. And while fear does motivate for a time you don’t win people by fear, you win them by love, and Truth is love.


    Through religion, its deception and fear motivation we have adapted the meaning, which the Greeks have put upon this word “hell”, making it synonymous in definition with “sheol”, “hades”, “gehenna”, “katakaio”, and “tartaros”… as being that of eternal torment. Those are the words used that have been translated into our one English word for hell; they are not the same.


    The word “hades” from the Greek, was used as a counterpart to the Hebrew word “sheol” and is more accurately defined as a state rather than a place.


    Gravedom is a word coined by E W Bullinger, and is a great word for hell; it is the state, reign or time of being in the grave. I am not talking about the grave itself which employs the Greek word (qeber). I am speaking of the time when one takes his last breath, until the return of our savior Jesus Christ…..when he returns, first, for the Church of the Body, and later when He returns as King of Kings

    We must disregard the meaning that is placed on the word hell today. The Bibles’ definition is…. “the state of being when one dies,” it’s a continuing state until the resurrection.” That’s it ….it is that simple, and that defined in the Bible.

    Sheol (Hebrew) Old Testament and Hades (Greek) New Testament are basically the two words, both meaning grave or gravedom.

    Sheol is translated grave 31 times, hell 31 times, and pit 3 times.
    Hades is translated hell 10, times and grave 1 time.

    Interpreters Dictionary of the Bible (1962 vol. 1 p788) states

    “The English word hell has taken on the mythological Greek meaning associated with the pagan idea of an underworld where the dead continue to live on in torment.”


    The standard for truth in defining words has got to come from the Bible itself, not from the meaning(s) attached to it, which is where the confusion comes in.


    Short version:

    In Greek mythology Hades was the god of the underworld and his name came to represent this fictitious place that we understand as Hell. The Septuagint was a second century B.C. Greek translation of the Old Testament, and in it the word Hades was chosen as the counterpart to the Hebrew “Sheol”.


    As is done with “Sheol”, many English versions of the Bible erroneously translate the Greek word “Hades” as hell rather than grave.

    (As E. W. Bullinger states “The Old Testament is the fountain-head of the Hebrew language. It has no literature behind it. But the case is entirely different with the Greek language. The Hebrew word “Sheol” is divine in its origin and usage. The Greek “Hades” is human in its nature and come down laden with centuries of development, in which it has acquired new senses, meaning and usages.”


    NOWHERE in the Old Testament is the abode of the dead regarded as a place of punishment or torment. The concept of an infernal “hell” developed in Israel only during the Hellenistic period.

    As believers we must use the Bibles interpretation of itself, to define words within the Bible.

    Clearly there is no justification to the eternal torment, which has been propounded throughout Christendom today. Whether we translate it or transliterate it, we must give it the meaning that God purposed; everything else outside the Word of God must be discarded.


    John 3:16
    16. For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

    The word “perish” Gr: (apollymi) means to utterly destroy; annihilate. That’s what happens to those who reject Jesus Christ and all those previous to the Grace administration who were evil and rejected God…..

    It’s not eternal torment ….it’s total consuming….by fire

    Gehenna” (geenna) A Greek word for the Hebrew “valley of Hinnom” which was a city dump outside of Jerusalem.
    When Christ would address this, He was illustrating that garbage thrown into the gehenna would be burned up. No one listening to Jesus would believe that that the garbage would continue to exist in the fire ….without being consumed. This is the place of everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord spoken of in 2Th 1:9 ….It refers to the fire of judgment in which the wicked will one day be consumed. It is called “the lake of fire” in the book of Revelation where fire will bring the ultimate annihilation of the devil and his hosts.


    The last two words translated hell are Katakaio and Tartarous.

    “Katakaio” is used in Hebrews 13:11 regarding the sacrificial beasts that were burned outside the camp.

    Heb 13:11 For the bodies of those beasts, whose blood is brought into the sanctuary by the high priest for sin, are burned without the camp.

    This same word is used in Matthew 3:12

    Mat 3:12 Whose fan is in his hand, and he will thoroughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.


    Neither Chaff nor beasts burn forever………… they burn up and are gone …

    “Tartarous” is used once and translated hell in II Peter 2:4 it refers to the place of imprisoned evil sprits ……not a place of torment for sinners.


    II Pet 2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment.


    **I am told that there is a book (also YouTube vids) by Edward Fudge called “The fire that consumes” which covers this subject much better than I could.
     
  6. ViaCrucis

    ViaCrucis Evangelical Catholic of the Augsburg Confession

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    Depends on what is meant by "hell". What the Bible talks about is to be taken seriously. But the modern, western notion of a fiery pit where the souls of the damned are tormented for eternity by devils with pitchforks is pure fiction.

    The Bible uses very loud and graphic language to get across complex ideas. Jews in Jesus' day didn't literally believe the wicked would spend eternity in the Hinnom Valley, but that's what Jewish religious teachers, including our Lord Jesus, spoke about when talking about the condition of the wicked dead, speaking of Gehenna (Valley of Hinnom).

    -CryptoLutheran
     
  7. Saint Steven

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    Here's an unbiased (amazingly) explanation of the three views of hell. Which includes Carlton Pearson's view. (UR)

     
  8. Michael Collum

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    In general, if there are three views - they're probably all wrong. God will do more than we can imagine or think.
     
  9. Saint Steven

    Saint Steven You can call me Steve Supporter

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    Right. Ultimately everything we think we know about God is wrong. But someday we will know, even as we are known. Is that the saying?
     
  10. Michael Collum

    Michael Collum Everything began with a voice, use yours Supporter

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    Surprised after that, he didn't see the gnashing of teeth.
     
  11. Michael Collum

    Michael Collum Everything began with a voice, use yours Supporter

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    Yes, it's like we look God in the eyes and then are instantly transformed to become like he is.
     
  12. Saint Steven

    Saint Steven You can call me Steve Supporter

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    Yes, very much like that, we suppose. (since we don't know) - lol
     
  13. Saint Steven

    Saint Steven You can call me Steve Supporter

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    @Michael Collum -- Maybe we should replace the word "believe" with "suppose".
     
  14. Michael Collum

    Michael Collum Everything began with a voice, use yours Supporter

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    Probably why trust is a better word to use instead of believe.
     
  15. Saint Steven

    Saint Steven You can call me Steve Supporter

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    Oh, I meant believe "about", not believe "in".
    What we suppose about God, since we don't know for sure.

    Saint Steven said:
    Yes, very much like that, we suppose. (since we don't know) - lol
    Saint Steven said:
    @Michael Collum -- Maybe we should replace the word "believe" with "suppose".
     
  16. Michael Collum

    Michael Collum Everything began with a voice, use yours Supporter

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    Ah but that sounds so unconvincing and humble, they'd never go for it. ;)
     
  17. Saint Steven

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    What do you think about this? If there was no hell, would you be happy about that?
     
  18. Oak Jam

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    It doesn't necessarily matter what I think. The Bible speaks of a hell where those will spend eternity for rejecting God's salvation.

    Do I want people to go to hell? Of course I don't. That I would suggest I haven't the love Jesus wants us to have in order to be Christ-like. At the same time, however, I cannot deny the Biblical truths one must abide by in order to make Heaven their Eternal Home.
     
  19. Saint Steven

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    Did Jesus die to save us from God?
     
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