Carl Sagan: Prophet of Scientism

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CARL SAGAN: PROPHET OF SCIENTISM
By David N. Menton

Carl Sagan has gained international attention through his popular
writings on science and especially through his 13 part television
series "Cosmos". In all of these, Sagan says he presents only
scientific facts or scientific theories supported by scientific
evidence. What has often emerged in his popular writings and
television appearances, however, is only a tissue of empirical science
covering a great bulk of unprovable speculation liberally laced with
Sagan's own philosophical and religious views of life. Sagan's
religion is not so much one of science as it is of "scientism."

Scientism is the belief that the assumptions, methods and even
the speculations of science are equally appropriate, if not essential,
for the proper understanding of all knowledge including religion.
Scientism explicitly denies both the special revelation of truth and
the existence of a sovereign, supernatural and eternal being. In the
religion of Scientism, the Cosmos (matter, energy, time and space) is
believed to be eternal and the only ultimate reality. Scientism
teaches that all things have their being and origin in the intrinsic
properties of nature. It follows that if gods were to exist, they too
would only be a part and product of nature. The social and
philosophical implications of Scientism for man are embodied in the
religion of Secular Humanism. Sagan's scientistic religious beliefs
and pronouncements are well documented in his own books:

"Broca's Brain", New York, Random House, 1979
"The Cosmic Connection", New York, Anchor Press, 1973
"Cosmos", New York, Random House, 1980
"Life in the Universe", San Francisco, Holden-Day Inc.,1966

Sagan, who insists that evolution is a fact not a theory, that
"we (humans) are the products of a long series of biological
accidents" and thus concludes that "in the cosmic perspective there is
no reason to think that we are the first or the last or the best"
("The Cosmic Connection" p.52). Carl Sagan was a student of the
evolutionist-astronomer Harlow Shapley who once said "some piously
record 'In the beginning God', but I say in the beginning hydrogen."
Shapley appears to believe that hydrogen is a colorless and odorless
gas which, given enough time, turns into people! Shapley's most
famous student reflects this same atheistic materialism when in his
book "Cosmos", Sagan confidently asserts that "the world was not made
by the gods, but instead was the work of material forces interacting
in nature" (p.177). Naturally, such beliefs have profound
implications for the nature of man, and so it is not surprising when
Sagan says of himself "I am a collection of water, calcium and organic
molecules called Carl Sagan" (p.127). In a logical extension of his
crass materialism, Sagan insists that all of our human traits - loves
and hates, passions and despairs, tenderness and aggression are simply
the result of "minor accidents in our immensely long evolutionary
history" (p.282). In a lame attempt to find some sense of purpose and
meaning in a human consciousness born of "minor accidents" Sagan
proposes that "We make our world significant by the courage of our
questions and by the depth of our answers" (p.193). As a further
extension of this "boot strap" Sagan maintains that man has evolved by
mere chance to the point where he can now take over and direct his own
evolution (p.320). With this, the ultimate goal of Scientism and
Secular Humanism is finally achieved; man becomes his own creator and
thus "god". One way Sagan believes that man can ensure his own
continued evolution is to rid himself of his violent nature by
encouraging the fondling of infants and sexual activity among
adolescents (p. 331).

In a recent syndicated interview, Joan Sannders Wixen asked Carl
Sagan about his views on the future of man. Sagan replied "I feel in
order to survive we someday must be able to give up our allegiance to
our nation, our religion, our race and economic group and think of
ourselves more as just a temporary form of life under the creation of
a power beyond our comprehension" (St. Louis Globe-Democrat, Oct. 6,
1980). Sagan concludes that if man is to worship anything greater
than man himself, it should be something which amounts to the pagan
worship of nature. In his book "Cosmos", Sagan proposes the stars and
the Sun as being a more worthy object of worship than Jehovah. "Our
ancestors worshiped the Sun, and they were far from foolish. And yet
the Sun is an ordinary, even a mediocre star. If we must worship a
power greater than ourselves, does it not make sense to revere the Sun
and stars?" (p.243).
Neither does Sagan overlook "mother earth" in his proffered
religion and urges us to listen to her voice as well. "Some part of
our being knows this is from where we came. We long to return. These
aspirations are not, I think, irreverent, although they may trouble
whatever gods may be" ( p.5). In any event, Sagan appears to think it
most unlikely that "the gods" will be troubled since he reminds us
that "it is said that men may not be the dreams of the gods, but
rather that the gods are the dreams of men" (p.257). In his book
"UFO's--A Scientific Debate", Sagan freely admits that "science has
itself become a kind of religion." In fairness to legitimate science
it should be emphasized that it is Sagan's Scientism that has become a
religion. Empirical science must depend on observability,
repeatablility and testability of all phenomena it would seek to
explain. True science of this kind has never been found to be in
conflict with the Bible.

Why is it then that so many public schools in our country manage
to get away with teaching the religions of Scientism and Secular
Humanism even in the face of widespread efforts to erect a "wall of
separation" between church and state? Where is the indignation and
litigation of the American Civil Liberties Union who seem to fancy
them selves as the "watch dog" against the inroads of religion in our
public schools? Has the ACLU decided that there are acceptable and
unacceptable religions for our public schools? Can, indeed, any
teacher discuss the origin of the universe, and particularly the
origin of man and his "values", with out teaching or discussing
religion? It seems unlikely that there can be such a thing as
"religion free" education on many of those subjects that most intrigue
man. We are led to conclude that all schools are to at least some
degree "religious schools", it is only a question of which religion is
being taught.

Finally, we might ask why Carl Sagan, of all people, was invited,
at considerable expense, to address the recent conference of Catholic
educators and librarians in St.Louis? Are these educators unaware of
Sagan's openly professed beliefs? Could it actually be that some of
these Catholic educators share these beliefs?
 

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And I wonder if the person who felt the need to post this has ever read anything by Carl Sagan? I doubt it. Another example of people dismissing someone they know nothing about.

For what it's worth, gunny, I recommend The Demon-Haunted World. It's a good read. ;)
 
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David Menton writes a lot of interesting articles. What I find most interesting is the incredible amout of assumptions and suppositions he makes in order to come to a conclusion. For some reason people who quote his work don't seem to realise that conclusions based primarily on supposition and assumption are rarely correct.

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To Sarge:

In a recent syndicated interview, Joan Sannders Wixen asked Carl
Sagan about his views on the future of man.

You better put a date on this article by David Menton. Sagan is DEAD, so he couldn't have been interviewed "recently."


Peace,
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Originally posted by HazyRigby
And I wonder if the person who felt the need to post this has ever read anything by Carl Sagan? I doubt it. Another example of people dismissing someone they know nothing about.

For what it's worth, gunny, I recommend The Demon-Haunted World. It's a good read. ;)

I have stated previously in these forums that I was not just an atheist as a young man but a God hater. I had much contempt for Christians. I went into the USMC and I spent three years in Vietnam. I saw many fellow Marines die over the course of three years. I saw many Vietnamese people die in that same time period.

I used to see many Marines attend Mass and other church services during my three tours of duty in combat. I thought people that believed in anything other, then their strength, courage, skill and wit in harm's way were weak in nature. I beleived in survival of the fittest. I likened myself unto a predatorial beast when I was in Vietnam. I was given an assignment and I was to search for my enemy and nuetralize him once found.

When I came back to the world(USA) after Vietnam I climbed into the bottle(booze) to numb myself from the thoughts, flashbacks, nightmares, nightsweats that came back with me from the war.

The point I'm making is that I didn't believe in anything when I came back from Nam. Nothing. I had seen and experienced pain and death and no SOB was going to tell me that there was a God.

In 1983, that all changed on August 13. After attempting to drink myself to death and failed attempts and unable to muster the courage to fire my sidearm placed in my mouth on several occassions after coming back from Vietnam, I came to the place where I knew something was terribly wrong. God put a squid(Navy vet) in my path to tell me about the Gospel of Jesus Christ. I listened and the next day I got down on my kness and asked Jesus to let me die or please help get me sober. I asked forgivness for all the rotten and horrible things I had done in my life.

In five days it will be nineteen years since Jesus Christ, became my Lord and Savior. Also, it will be nineteen years since I have drank any alcohol. Amazing Grace.


I have read the The Demon-Haunted World by Sagan. I have read many different books over the years on many different things.

I know this. Demonic possession, the real Mcoy is real, I have witnessed it in my ministry travels over the years.

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Originally posted by VOW
To Sarge:



You better put a date on this article by David Menton. Sagan is DEAD, so he couldn't have been interviewed "recently."


Peace,
~VOW

Good golly, I want to thank-you for telling me something I assume we can ascertain from the article since there was no date. The interview with Sagan must have taken place before his death. Thanks for the info.

May God richly bless you!


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Originally posted by Morat
  Really, gunny? So please, give us a brief synopsis of The Demon Haunted World. A quick overview, along with any bits that stick out.

   It's a personal favorite of mine, and doesn't have too terribly much to say about religion. But, since you read it, you'd know, right?

A Marine's word is his bond. I have stated that I have read it, I have read it.

Teaser:The Baloney test.


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Why couldn't you have done that in my "story" thread?

This is nothing but what was. I was raised around quite a few of my mother's high school friends who were Vietnam vets. I was beaten, frightened and abused by these guys for a few years, but I also learned about war from them. Not hollywood war, but the kind of war you speak of. It taught me more than a few interesting lessons, but the greatest was that everyone has a story, and when you really know the story you can't hate them.

One of them almost married my mom, but it was too soon after my dad left and he knew it, so he backed away, for our (kids) sakes. He is dead. I think they all are. I remember a fourth of July when two of them went back right in front of me, almost broke my back covering me from "shrapnel". I remember the way they gathered, the way they said what they said, the way they cried and brought him back. I was a little kid, but I knew something was happening that was pure and awful and unique. I got to see it.

I don't think your views on theology are very accurate, but I am damned glad you made it back.
 
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So what you're saying -- to me -- is that:

- You read Demon-Haunted World and all it has to say about skepticism.
- You listened to Evangelist Man tell you about Jesus and immediately took his word for it.

I'm sorry, I must have not put these in the correct chronological order. ;)
 
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Oh, yes, and my wife was almost named Maureen Cora, as her birthday is the birthday of the Marine Corps. Her grandpa was in SoPac in WWII, Korea and two tours in Vietnam. Purple heart, Navy Medal of...valor?...sorry I can't think of the name. He is also my favorite - by far and away - in-law. He holds a job as a grocery bagger because he refuses to not work. He is stone.
 
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Originally posted by ashibaka
So what you're saying -- to me -- is that:

- You read Demon-Haunted World and all it has to say about skepticism.
- You listened to Evangelist Man tell you about Jesus and immediately took his word for it.

I'm sorry, I must have not put these in the correct chronological order. ;)

I listentend to a man(Evangelist Man aka ex-drunk) that had been born again of God's Spirit, a Christian.

I wouldn't have listened to the man had I not been already prepared to listen by God's Holy Spirit.

You see, I wanted to truly die. I detested what I was, a drunk who had alienated everyone that cared for me. I had burned all my bridges. I knew that I was at my own personal day of reckoning when the squid(Navy vet)told me how Jesus Christ had pulled him out of the booze bottle.

I believe Jesus when He says:"I came to save that which is lost".

I was terribly lost.

Jesus and what He did at Calavary is of no use to one who has all the answers. He came to save the lost and to set the captives free.

You are correct, I read Sagan's book after becoming a Christian. I have since read many different books especially those pertaining to the worlds' religions apart from Christianity.


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I always think it's ironic that when I actually actively HATED God, and was therefore not believing in Him to teach him a lesson or something that makes sense to an eleven or twelve year old, it was Sagan who demonstrated the God COULD BE very real and we merely be inable to evaluate Him on His terms. This actually made me stop hating God, stop dibelieving in God and start looking for real hard answers about God. I ended up where I ended up, but Sagan's instruction pulled me from an illogical and irrational conclusion about God.

Haha.
 
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