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Why Canada's response to COVID-19 is so different from that of the U.S.
Andrew Cohen

Comparing the character of nations is risky and imprecise. In the Age of Contagion, though, it offers a window into how the peoples of the world are coping.

Japan, South Korea, Taiwan and Singapore have handled the crisis relatively well. We expect that of people we see as highly disciplined, motivated and organized. Italy is reeling from the contagion. Gregarious, unruly, passionate, creative, independent – this is how we see Italians. It suggests why they were slow to respond.

Which brings us to the United States and Canada. As Miss Christie used to say in third-grade geography class, let us compare and contrast.

In the United States, a country of 330 million, there were some 43,500 cases and 537 deaths as of early Tuesday. In New York City, the virus is surging. Parts of the country are in seclusion, others are not. There is no clear national strategy and no federal emergency. States are responding radically differently.

In Washington, Congress struggles to forge an economic response. The president is erratic and unempathetic. He is widely disbelieved, skeptical of expertise and reluctant to accept responsibility.

The media send mixed messages. Fox News, with the highest audience, once denied the pandemic, calling it “a hoax.” One host – before she was fired – claimed the coronavirus was a plot by the Democrats to re-impeach Donald Trump.

The danger is that the medical system will be overwhelmed. On the tenth anniversary of Obamacare, universal health care remains contentious in the United States – undermined by the Republicans, who have tried repeatedly to abolish it, and repeatedly challenged in the courts.

In Canada, a country of 37 million, there were some 2,100 cases and 24 deaths as of early Tuesday. The system is holding, for now. Hospitals have enough masks and respirators, for now. The prime minister appears in public every day, alone, outside his residence. He speaks sensibly, with authority, without hyperbole. This has been his finest hour.

Canadians trust him. They may not have voted for him – only about one-third did – but that doesn’t matter now. Nor do we question the competence of his ministers who are the other faces of the crisis – Chrystia Freeland, Marc Garneau, Patty Hajdu, Bill Blair. All are calm, competent and professional. This is what we want.

The provincial premiers, most of whom are not Liberals, have lost their congenital instinct to attack Ottawa. Doug Ford, no admirer of Justin Trudeau, now praises his leadership.

All provinces have declared states of emergency, and will not object if the national government does, too. If it must, it will – and we won’t complain.

Opposition parties are not posturing. Andrew Scheer, who called Trudeau “a fraud” last autumn, says this is no time for politics. He is right. His fellow Conservatives, vying to succeed him, have put away their popguns. Some want the leadership vote scheduled for August delayed.

Unlike in America, there is consensus in Canada. No one is saying that the aid package is inadequate, that the government is slow, that money unduly favours corporations. Jason Kenney is not talking about western alienation and the Bloc Québécois is not talking sovereignty. Canadians want only freedom from fear.

Mercifully, we have no Fox News. Whatever the CBC’s flaws as national broadcaster, its reporting has been thorough and honest, under trying circumstances. Same with CTV and Radio Canada, and the country’s newspapers and websites.

Why is our response different? It may be a case of identity. Americans celebrate independence, individualism, personal liberty. Many distrust government, resent politicians, court conspiracy and dismiss science. This wasn’t always so – the New Deal and the Great Society expanded the state – but it is now.

Canadians accept big government, which is how we built the social welfare state. Two-thirds of us voted for progressives last year. We defer to authority.

Yes, we’ve made real mistakes in the crisis. We didn’t secure airports fast enough or test early and widely enough. Too many are treating physical distancing as a snow day. If we ultimately do better in all this – it’s too early to know or crow – it’s not because we are morally superior. It is because we are smaller, organized, well-led, more united, more measured, more of a community.

It’s a question of character.

Andrew Cohen is a journalist, professor and author of Two Days in June: John F. Kennedy and the 48 Hours That Made History.

From The Ottawa Citizen.

Cohen: Why Canada's response to COVID-19 is so different from that of the U.S.
 

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Canadians, like any socialist nation, are quicker to surrender their freedoms to government, but with their shamefully long wait times for medical treatment, their nationwide medical staffing shortage, they might just as likely face an overwhelmed healthcare system when it really hits.

That they don't have a news agency that dares to step out of line from the same bias as all of their other news agencies is not a good thing. It may be more convenient for controlling the masses, but it's nothing to be proud of.
 
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Canadians, like any socialist nation, are quicker to surrender their freedoms to government, but with their shamefully long wait times for medical treatment, their nationwide medical staffing shortage, they might just as likely face an overwhelmed healthcare system when it really hits.

That they don't have a news agency that dares to step out of line from the same bias as all of their other news agencies is not a good thing. It may be more convenient for controlling the masses, but it's nothing to be proud of.
It is always interesting, yet immensely sad, to listen to the echoes of a fading empire, whose foundations have been liquefied by the seismic shocks of change.
 
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....but with their shamefully long wait times for medical treatment.
I believe this is misleading. Can you present data that shows that Canadians, on average, wait longer for serious issues more than Americans? I will bet dollars to donuts that our longer wait times are for things like hip replacements - things that are not life and death matters.
 
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That they don't have a news agency that dares to step out of line from the same bias as all of their other news agencies is not a good thing.
I will take the situation here over one where you have a news agency telling gullible masses that the coronavirus is a democrat hoax.
 
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Canadians, like any socialist nation, are quicker to surrender their freedoms to government, but with their shamefully long wait times for medical treatment, their nationwide medical staffing shortage, they might just as likely face an overwhelmed healthcare system when it really hits.

That they don't have a news agency that dares to step out of line from the same bias as all of their other news agencies is not a good thing. It may be more convenient for controlling the masses, but it's nothing to be proud of.

The governments of both the USA and Canada are essentially democratic socialist although Canada is a bit further left than the USA. When you look at individual freedoms Canadians have a bit more than USAnians. I have been in the Canadian medicare system since 1964 and I have never had to wait an excessive time for any medical service nor do I know anyone who has. To conclude, I am also unaware of any controlling of the masses. You are sadly misinformed about Canada sir.
 
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So many choices of who to believe. I can believe the several Canadians that live in Canada and use Canadian healthcare or I can believe someone that says Canada is to the Left of Stalinist Russia. My oh my…
 
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their shamefully long wait times for medical treatment, their nationwide medical staffing shortage

Care to elaborate? Because in my experience I've never had to wait excessively long for medical treatment (including a couple surgeries).
 
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Why Canada's response to COVID-19 is so different from that of the U.S.
Andrew Cohen

Comparing the character of nations is risky and imprecise. In the Age of Contagion, though, it offers a window into how the peoples of the world are coping.

Japan, South Korea, Taiwan and Singapore have handled the crisis relatively well. We expect that of people we see as highly disciplined, motivated and organized. Italy is reeling from the contagion. Gregarious, unruly, passionate, creative, independent – this is how we see Italians. It suggests why they were slow to respond.

Which brings us to the United States and Canada. As Miss Christie used to say in third-grade geography class, let us compare and contrast.

In the United States, a country of 330 million, there were some 43,500 cases and 537 deaths as of early Tuesday. In New York City, the virus is surging. Parts of the country are in seclusion, others are not. There is no clear national strategy and no federal emergency. States are responding radically differently.

In Washington, Congress struggles to forge an economic response. The president is erratic and unempathetic. He is widely disbelieved, skeptical of expertise and reluctant to accept responsibility.

The media send mixed messages. Fox News, with the highest audience, once denied the pandemic, calling it “a hoax.” One host – before she was fired – claimed the coronavirus was a plot by the Democrats to re-impeach Donald Trump.

The danger is that the medical system will be overwhelmed. On the tenth anniversary of Obamacare, universal health care remains contentious in the United States – undermined by the Republicans, who have tried repeatedly to abolish it, and repeatedly challenged in the courts.

In Canada, a country of 37 million, there were some 2,100 cases and 24 deaths as of early Tuesday. The system is holding, for now. Hospitals have enough masks and respirators, for now. The prime minister appears in public every day, alone, outside his residence. He speaks sensibly, with authority, without hyperbole. This has been his finest hour.

Canadians trust him. They may not have voted for him – only about one-third did – but that doesn’t matter now. Nor do we question the competence of his ministers who are the other faces of the crisis – Chrystia Freeland, Marc Garneau, Patty Hajdu, Bill Blair. All are calm, competent and professional. This is what we want.

The provincial premiers, most of whom are not Liberals, have lost their congenital instinct to attack Ottawa. Doug Ford, no admirer of Justin Trudeau, now praises his leadership.

All provinces have declared states of emergency, and will not object if the national government does, too. If it must, it will – and we won’t complain.

Opposition parties are not posturing. Andrew Scheer, who called Trudeau “a fraud” last autumn, says this is no time for politics. He is right. His fellow Conservatives, vying to succeed him, have put away their popguns. Some want the leadership vote scheduled for August delayed.

Unlike in America, there is consensus in Canada. No one is saying that the aid package is inadequate, that the government is slow, that money unduly favours corporations. Jason Kenney is not talking about western alienation and the Bloc Québécois is not talking sovereignty. Canadians want only freedom from fear.

Mercifully, we have no Fox News. Whatever the CBC’s flaws as national broadcaster, its reporting has been thorough and honest, under trying circumstances. Same with CTV and Radio Canada, and the country’s newspapers and websites.

Why is our response different? It may be a case of identity. Americans celebrate independence, individualism, personal liberty. Many distrust government, resent politicians, court conspiracy and dismiss science. This wasn’t always so – the New Deal and the Great Society expanded the state – but it is now.

Canadians accept big government, which is how we built the social welfare state. Two-thirds of us voted for progressives last year. We defer to authority.

Yes, we’ve made real mistakes in the crisis. We didn’t secure airports fast enough or test early and widely enough. Too many are treating physical distancing as a snow day. If we ultimately do better in all this – it’s too early to know or crow – it’s not because we are morally superior. It is because we are smaller, organized, well-led, more united, more measured, more of a community.

It’s a question of character.

Andrew Cohen is a journalist, professor and author of Two Days in June: John F. Kennedy and the 48 Hours That Made History.

From The Ottawa Citizen.

Cohen: Why Canada's response to COVID-19 is so different from that of the U.S.

In all fairness, Canada has a population comparable to just one of our larger states. Not all 50 of them. Lets look at Texas for example. With a population just shy of 30 million, and a GDP of $1.8 trillion it is much closer to Canada with 37 million population, and a GDP of 1.7 trillion. To try and compare country to country is a bit skewed. Of course there are less deaths in Canada. The entire population is just the size of one of the 50 US states.

In that perspective, Texas has only had 1,027 cases and 13 deaths. So why do you believe the statistics are so high in Canada?
 
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