Canada Court: Doctors Must Euthanize, Abort, or Refer

Should doctors be compelled by law or court order to perform/refer abortions or euthanize?

  • No, they should not perform any procedure which violates their moral conscience

    Votes: 24 88.9%
  • Yes, abortion and euthanasia are healthcare and doctors must perform or refer

    Votes: 2 7.4%
  • Doctors should not be forced to perform the procedures but must refer

    Votes: 1 3.7%

  • Total voters
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The culture of death brooks no dissent. In Canada, doctors have been ordered to bend the knee.

Here’s the story: The Canadian Charter (Constitution) guarantees “freedom of conscience and religion”— a stronger and more explicit protection of religious liberty than our First Amendment. After the Supreme Court created a right to euthanasia, Ontario passed a law requiring doctors to kill legally eligible patients who want to die or provide an “effective referral” if they have moral objections — i.e., procure a doctor known by the dissenter to be willing to euthanize patients.

Catholic and other religious doctors sued to enforce their Charter liberties. Referring equals complicity, the doctors argued, and thus the law forces them to violate their religious beliefs and consciences.

In one of the world’s most important “medical conscience” rulings, a trial judge admitted the doctors’ Charter rights were indeed infringed. But he ruled that a right (nowhere mentioned in the Charter) to “equal and equitable access” to legal and government-funded medical interventions trumped doctors’ freedom of religion.

Now a Court of Appeals has affirmed, ruling that doctors must not only euthanize or refer, but also abort or refer, and provide any other controversial legal service that a patient might want or refer — their religious freedoms or moral consciences be damned. From, Christian Medical and Dental Society of Canada v. College of Physicians and Surgeons of Ontario:

The medical procedures to which the appellants object (an objection shared
to varying degrees by the individual appellants and members of the appellant
organizations) include: abortion, contraception (including emergency
contraception, tubal ligation, and vasectomies), infertility treatment for
heterosexual and homosexual patients, prescription of erectile dysfunction
medication, gender re-assignment surgery, and MAiD [medical aid in dying, i.e. lethal injection euthanasia]. It is impossible to conceive of more private, emotional or challenging issues for any patient.

When it comes to taking human life in abortion and euthanasia, it is impossible to conceive of a more private, emotional, or challenging issue for religiously and morally opposed doctors –particularly when the physician would consider it a grievous sin impacting her immortal soul to have any part in it. And those beliefs are supposed to be protected explicitly by the charter!

More at the link: Canada Court Doctors Must Euthanize Abort or Refer | National Review

A companion article which evokes the same questions here in the United States:

Opinion | Can Doctors Refuse to Treat a Patient?

 

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Canada, last I heard, is one of the few places where private practice is outlawed. All doctors literally have the same employer, so it's not surprising that the state would exert such heavy control.
 
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Canada, last I heard, is one of the few places where private practice is outlawed. All doctors literally have the same employer, so it's not surprising that the state would exert such heavy control.
Doesnt sound like freedom. Freedom is precious. It promotes awareness via freedom of speech and we all need that..
 
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Everything trumps the religious freedom of Christians.
Persecution is just around the corner...

1. Christianity is respected.
2. Christianity is allowed.
3. Christianity is not allowed.
4. Christianity is persecuted.
 
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Canada, last I heard, is one of the few places where private practice is outlawed. All doctors literally have the same employer, so it's not surprising that the state would exert such heavy control.
Yes Canada has the socialized medical model Democrats advocate for the US.
 
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Under a socialistic medicare system for all isn't private practice typically eliminated? Kamala Harris speaks of eliminating the private sector. But then comes the rationing because the system is overburdened and then they have to ration and then come euthanizing the old and aborting the young, and then doctor shortages are made even worse as unjust laws ask men to do evil against their own conscience. What you would have left is fewer doctors without a conscience betraying their oath.

Some people call it a death panel type system, folks laughed at that but seems about right, it rolls out into one eventually.
 
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They shouldn't be forced to perform Euthanasia or abortion, but I don't agree that referral necessarily equals complicity if legally obligated to.
It's still a conscience issue which need not be infringed. They are in a socialized healthcare model. How hard would it be to provide a website of doctors who do perform the procedures? That would virtually cost nothing. No this is a power play by the socialists/communists in Canada.
 
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Let's ask:

Any Canadians out there?
I’m Canadian and I agree that " this is a power play by the socialists/communists in Canada.” But I don’t know if an appeal to higher court would be effective. Politics isn’t my thing yet it angers and disgusts me the stunts that Trudeau is pulling. That coming from a person who’s one and only use of the vote was to vote young malice from blunderland’s dad into office. Pierre made use of that to declare a military state ... the attitude and mindset of our now PM it seems. Keep in mind that Justin has deemed it impossible for christianity to get gvmnt funding if they don’t click the right boxes or that pro-lifers are automatically kicked off his team as treasonists.
 
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Under a socialistic medicare system for all isn't private practice typically eliminated? Kamala Harris speaks of eliminating the private sector. But then comes the rationing because the system is overburdened and then they have to ration and then come euthanizing the old and aborting the young, and then doctor shortages are made even worse as unjust laws ask men to do evil against their own conscience. What you would have left is fewer doctors without a conscience betraying their oath.

Some people call it a death panel type system, folks laughed at that but seems about right, it rolls out into one eventually.

A true "socialist" healthcare would outlaw private hospitals, yes.

Single payer healthcare, on the other hand, is still technically medicine for profit; it's just that tax payers pay for it.
 
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I’m Canadian and I agree that " this is a power play by the socialists/communists in Canada.” But I don’t know if an appeal to higher court would be effective. Politics isn’t my thing yet it angers and disgusts me the stunts that Trudeau is pulling. That coming from a person who’s one and only use of the vote was to vote young malice from blunderland’s dad into office. Pierre made use of that to declare a military state ... the attitude and mindset of our now PM it seems. Keep in mind that Justin has deemed it impossible for christianity to get gvmnt funding if they don’t click the right boxes or that pro-lifers are automatically kicked off his team as treasonists.
So it sounds like an appeal is possible, but for the most part it would be an exercise in futility?...

'But God!...' Eph 2:4
 
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The culture of death brooks no dissent. In Canada, doctors have been ordered to bend the knee.

Here’s the story: The Canadian Charter (Constitution) guarantees “freedom of conscience and religion”— a stronger and more explicit protection of religious liberty than our First Amendment. After the Supreme Court created a right to euthanasia, Ontario passed a law requiring doctors to kill legally eligible patients who want to die or provide an “effective referral” if they have moral objections — i.e., procure a doctor known by the dissenter to be willing to euthanize patients.

Catholic and other religious doctors sued to enforce their Charter liberties. Referring equals complicity, the doctors argued, and thus the law forces them to violate their religious beliefs and consciences.

In one of the world’s most important “medical conscience” rulings, a trial judge admitted the doctors’ Charter rights were indeed infringed. But he ruled that a right (nowhere mentioned in the Charter) to “equal and equitable access” to legal and government-funded medical interventions trumped doctors’ freedom of religion.

Now a Court of Appeals has affirmed, ruling that doctors must not only euthanize or refer, but also abort or refer, and provide any other controversial legal service that a patient might want or refer — their religious freedoms or moral consciences be damned. From, Christian Medical and Dental Society of Canada v. College of Physicians and Surgeons of Ontario:

The medical procedures to which the appellants object (an objection shared
to varying degrees by the individual appellants and members of the appellant
organizations) include: abortion, contraception (including emergency
contraception, tubal ligation, and vasectomies), infertility treatment for
heterosexual and homosexual patients, prescription of erectile dysfunction
medication, gender re-assignment surgery, and MAiD [medical aid in dying, i.e. lethal injection euthanasia]. It is impossible to conceive of more private, emotional or challenging issues for any patient.

When it comes to taking human life in abortion and euthanasia, it is impossible to conceive of a more private, emotional, or challenging issue for religiously and morally opposed doctors –particularly when the physician would consider it a grievous sin impacting her immortal soul to have any part in it. And those beliefs are supposed to be protected explicitly by the charter!

More at the link: Canada Court Doctors Must Euthanize Abort or Refer | National Review

A companion article which evokes the same questions here in the United States:

Opinion | Can Doctors Refuse to Treat a Patient?
What is the difference between options 2 & 3 in the poll?

I’m not seeing the problem with requiring the doctors to refer to another provider. It seems to preserve the religious right of the doctor and the medical right of the patient.
 
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What is the difference between options 2 & 3 in the poll?
The second response gives no option to the doctor. She/he must either perform or refer.

The third response allows not to do the procedure but the referral is mandatory.
 
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The second response gives no option to the doctor. She/he must either perform or refer.

The third response allows not to do the procedure but the referral is mandatory.
Those two sound the same to me. In both cases if you don’t do the procedure, you have to refer.
 
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So it sounds like an appeal is possible,
I think it would be good for all to challenge injustice, which is what I see the majority in Canada doing, all within their own means, whether social media or whatever. And it’s having a greater effect than judicial means. Tides turn without permission from anything but heavenly authority.
but for the most part it would be an exercise in futility?...
I’m not certain what the standing of the supreme court in Canada is at this time.
'But God!...' Eph 2:4
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