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Featured CAN YOU HAVE GOD'S GRACE WITHOUT GOD'S LAW?

Discussion in 'Sabbath and The Law' started by LoveGodsWord, Jan 9, 2019.

  1. LoveGodsWord

    LoveGodsWord Well-Known Member

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    What is sin and how do we receive a KNOWLEDGE of sin?

    OP QUESTIONS

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    WHAT IS GRACE FOR?

    WHAT PART DOES GOD'S LAW HAVE IN GRACE?

    CAN WE HAVE GOD'S GRACE IN THE NC WITHOUT GOD'S LAW? (Scripture please)

    God bless.
     
  2. LoveGodsWord

    LoveGodsWord Well-Known Member

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    Salvation from what?

    OP QUESTIONS

    .............

    WHAT IS GRACE FOR?

    WHAT PART DOES GOD'S LAW HAVE IN GRACE?

    CAN WE HAVE GOD'S GRACE IN THE NC WITHOUT GOD'S LAW? (Scripture please)

    God bless.
     
  3. LoveGodsWord

    LoveGodsWord Well-Known Member

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    God's GRACE was given in the Garden of Even.

    OP QUESTIONS

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    WHAT IS GRACE FOR?

    WHAT PART DOES GOD'S LAW HAVE IN GRACE?

    CAN WE HAVE GOD'S GRACE IN THE NC WITHOUT GOD'S LAW? (Scripture please)

    God bless.
     
  4. SkyWriting

    SkyWriting The Librarian Supporter

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    If you would just read and believe, then a typo would not give you logic spasms.
    I will pre-twist my words to help you out.

    New International Version
    If anyone, then, knows the good they ought to do and doesn't do it, it is sin for them.

    New Living Translation
    Remember, it is sin to know what you ought to do and then not do it.

    English Standard Version
    So whoever knows the right thing to do and fails to do it, for him it is sin.

    Berean Study Bible
    Therefore, whoever knows the right thing to do, yet fails to do it, is guilty of sin.

    Berean Literal Bible
    Therefore to the one knowing to do good, and not doing, it is sin.

    New American Standard Bible
    Therefore, to one who knows the right thing to do and does not do it, to him it is sin.

    King James Bible
    Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.

    Christian Standard Bible
    So it is sin to know the good and yet not do it.
     
  5. SkyWriting

    SkyWriting The Librarian Supporter

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    Again, the sermon of the natural man and no scripture to back anything.
    You don't need to use my methods, but a passage or two would help.
    You seem fixed on this so:

    English Standard Version
    In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.

    Berean Study Bible
    By speaking of a new covenant, He has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and aging will soon disappear.

    Berean Literal Bible
    In saying, "new," He has made obsolete the first; and that which is growing old and aging is near vanishing.

    New American Standard Bible
    When He said, "A new covenant," He has made the first obsolete. But whatever is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to disappear.

    King James Bible
    In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

    Christian Standard Bible
    By saying a new covenant, he has declared that the first is obsolete. And what is obsolete and growing old is about to pass away.

    Contemporary English Version
    When the Lord talks about a new agreement, he means that the first one is out of date. And anything that is old and useless will soon disappear.

    Acts 15
    10 Now then, why do you test God by placing on the necks of the disciples a yoke that neither we nor our fathers have been able to bear?
    11 On the contrary, we believe it is through the grace of the Lord Jesus that we are saved, just as they are.”

    English Standard Version
    But we believe that we will be saved through the grace of the Lord Jesus, just as they will.”

    Berean Study Bible
    On the contrary, we believe it is through the grace of the Lord Jesus that we are saved, just as they are.”

    Berean Literal Bible
    But we believe ourselves to be saved by the grace of the Lord Jesus, in the same manner asthey also are."

    New American Standard Bible
    "But we believe that we are saved through the grace of the Lord Jesus, in the same way as they also are."

    King James Bible
    But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.

    Christian Standard Bible
    On the contrary, we believe that we are saved through the grace of the Lord Jesus in the same way they are."

    Contemporary English Version
    But we believe that we will be saved by the gift of undeserved grace from our Lord Jesus Christ, just as the Gentiles are.
     
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  6. YeshuaFan

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    He was chosen by Jesus as An Apostle, so his books are inspired by God, as was his theology!
     
  7. YeshuaFan

    YeshuaFan Well-Known Member

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    He met the risen Jesus, and was taught his theology by Jesus, and commissioned by Jesus!
     
  8. YeshuaFan

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  9. yeshuaslavejeff

    yeshuaslavejeff simple truth, martyr, disciple of Yahshua

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    We are praying when God permits, for you. You abandoned church, as you said, and went out on your own, away from sound doctrine, contrary to Biblical teaching, on the broad road to destruction.
    In the Bible, when someone REPENTED to be FORGIVEN, they did not "DECIDE" that their sin is no longer sin because they "thought it is not sin", no.
    They stopped sinning, turned away from their sin (which you need to do, as in your posts you said you just "think it's not sin" , INSTEAD of stopping from sinning, and you go on your way , away from God, DOING not HIS WORD, but your own selfishness in sin mocking Him.
     
  10. YeshuaFan

    YeshuaFan Well-Known Member

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    Just as long as you uphold biblical morality, and that Jesus is Lord, and only way to get saved!
     
  11. SkyWriting

    SkyWriting The Librarian Supporter

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    I include your sermons as an archetype.
    Biblical morality is specifically called out embodied in the Old Testament laws. Sorry:

    Hebrews 8:13
    By speaking of a new covenant, He has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and aging will soon disappear.

    2 Corinthians 3:6
    And He has qualified us as ministers of a new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.

    2 Corinthians 5:17
    Therefore if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away. Behold, the new has come!

    Hebrews 1:11
    They will perish, but You remain; they will all wear out like a garment.

    Hebrews 7:22
    Because of this oath, Jesus has become the guarantee of a better covenant.

    Hebrews 8:6
    Now, however, Jesus has received a much more excellent ministry, just as the covenant He mediates is better and is founded on better promises.

    Hebrews 8:8
    But God found fault with the people and said: "Behold, the days are coming, declares the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah.

    Hebrews 9:15
    Therefore Christ is the mediator of a new covenant, so that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance, now that He has died to redeem them from the transgressions committed under the first covenant.

    Hebrews 12:24
    to Jesus the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood that speaks a better word than the blood of Abel.
     
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  12. yeshuaslavejeff

    yeshuaslavejeff simple truth, martyr, disciple of Yahshua

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    Apparently, humanly, nothing has helped.
    "A passage" or two - you've , in your posts, apparently rejected every passage and twisted it to your liking.
    Maybe you are realizing what sin is - it is doing what is wrong. NOT thinking it is wrong.
    So making your thoughts as if "it's not wrong because I don't think it is wrong"
    is further abomination, leading to condemnation because of unbelief (not believing the truth; not trusting the FATHER in HEAVEN is RIGHT).

    For forgiveness, seek the Father in Heaven, turn AWAY FROM SIN (STOP SINNING),
    and seek the Kingdom of Yahweh (God Almighty Sovereign).

    IF you actually knew Scripture , as written, every sentence in my posts you would recognize as true and in harmony with Scripture - many almost direct quotes from Scripture. But without knowing Scripture, you want "references" to argue against, not to believe, apparently (obviously?).

    We hope not, for your sake. We pray the God of Salvation might open your eyes, even grant you a heart of flesh, new, with the eyes of your heart open to Jesus, to His Way,
    to be recovered unto Him, saved from sin (and from death).
     
  13. yeshuaslavejeff

    yeshuaslavejeff simple truth, martyr, disciple of Yahshua

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    His posts show he is immoral, rejecting Scripture, accepting living in sin as "okay" as long as "he thinks" it is okay, regardless of what God Says. Instead of "THY WILL OF GOD",
    instead of Jesus is Lord, he posted "I can sin as long as I don't think it is sin" effectively, thus he is his own lord, instead of submitting to Jesus as Lord.
     
  14. YeshuaFan

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    Do you uphold sexual morality, marriage covenant, no abortion etc then?
     
  15. SkyWriting

    SkyWriting The Librarian Supporter

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    When you grasp that OT laws are obsolete, then under the Grace of the Blood of Jesus, those questions become mute under the New Covenant.
     
  16. SkyWriting

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    After you grasp that OT laws are obsolete, then under the Grace of the Blood of Jesus, those questions become mute under the New Covenant. You should study the current covenant more.
     
  17. YeshuaFan

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    The standards of Biblical morality remain in place, as in Marriage between JUST male/female, no alternative lifestyles, no abortions etc!
     
  18. SkyWriting

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    ZZZZzzzzz......Where is that crossword puzzle in the church handout when you need it?
     
  19. SkyWriting

    SkyWriting The Librarian Supporter

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    Are you quoting from the New Covenant? Or jist makin stuff up.


    What is the new covenant?
    What does the Bible mean when it talks about a new covenant between us and God? The new covenant is the ultimate solution to human rebellion. It's in the Bible, Jeremiah 31:33, NIV. "This is the covenant I will make with the house of Israel after that time," declares the Lord. "I will put My law in their minds and write it on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be My people."

    The new covenant comes through the death of Jesus Christ. It's in the Bible, Luke 22:20, NIV. "In the same way, after the supper He took the cup, saying, 'This cup is the new covenant in My blood, which is poured out for you."

    The new covenant means we can go directly to God through Christ. It's in the Bible, Hebrews 7:22, NIV. "Because of this oath, Jesus has become the guarantee of a better covenant."

    There is forgiveness of sins only through the new covenant. It's in the Bible, Hebrews 9:14-15, NIV. "How much more, then, will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered Himself unblemished to God, cleanse our consciences from acts that lead to death, so that we may serve the living God! For this reason Christ is the mediator of a new covenant, that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance—now that He has died as a ransom to set them free from the sins committed under the first covenant."

    Under the old covenant, what did the people promise to do? It's in the Bible, Exodus 24:3, NIV. "When Moses went and told the people all the Lord's words and laws, they responded with one voice, 'Everything the Lord has said we will do.'"

    Under the new covenant, what does God promise to do? It's in the Bible, Hebrews 8:10, NIV. "This is the covenant I will make with the house of Israel after that time, declares the Lord. I will put My laws in their minds and write them on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be My people."

    New Covenant | Bibleinfo.com
     
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  20. YeshuaFan

    YeshuaFan Well-Known Member

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    Jesus was the same God in both OT/NT, and he still upholds strict biblical morality!
     
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