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  1. Albion

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    Could be that there was some misunderstanding of my comment.

    It was not a reference to Scripture other than the OT. Rather, I was saying that we cannot conclude that only those verses from the OT that Jesus is recorded as having referred to were considered by him to be authoritative.
     
  2. Placemat

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    I find your statement itself very interesting, as I did not do what you stated!

    I am truly sorry to hear that.

    Hmmmm......

    Pretty vague....whatever it is referring too, I'm not surprised that two Catholics would agree on something.

    And as I’ve stated before, you haven’t ‘answered’ the question, you’ve responded with empty, blathering rhetoric. And Swag365 hasn’t answered it either.

    Oh ye of little faith! Nothing is impossible for Him – He is ‘outside of time’. That should be Catholic enough for you. And since He didn’t specify the ‘Catholic church’ and the Catholic church was also not in existence when He made that statement, there is no reason to think that it could not be another one.

    I have no idea why you posted them, as the claim you made is not evident in the reality of whom many Catholics and the Catholic church actually place their trust. (well, you didn’t actually post the verses, you just conveniently posted the references. Nice job Fidelibus!)

    Your 'spiritual advisor' must be so proud of you.

    Did I say 'official' teachings - NO.
    These prayers below, based on the developed teaching of men from the Catholic church show where Catholics are taught to put their faith and trust and it's NOT in Him.

    Yes and as you can see below, certain Catholics embraced this prayer and by their examples and practices ‘taught’ other Catholics to place their trust in Mary…not God.


    The Popes and Mary Help of Christians

    The Popes and Mary Help of Christians
    Saint Pius V, after the Battle of Lepanto, decided to establish the feast of the Holy Rosary, and that the invocation "Mary Help of Christians" should also be included in the Lauretan Litany;

    Pope Pius VII instituted the feast of Mary Help of Christians, in memory of his return to Rome after being imprisoned in the palace of Fontainebleau by Napoleon Bonaparte;

    Pope John XXIII cultivated a special devotion to the Help of Christians and proclaimed her Patroness of the Council with the titles of Auxilium Christianorume Auxilium Episcoporum;

    St. Paul VI in many circumstances of his life and pontificate manifested a particular devotion to Mary Help of Christians;

    St. John Paul II often went to pray in the chapel of Mary Help of Christians in the church of St. Stanislaus Kostka (Krakow) and it was precisely before the image of the Helper, as a young man, that he took the firm decision to enter the seminary;

    Pope Francis has always affirmed that he learned to love Mary Help of Christians during his childhood.

    Do a search, there’s a plethora of information from Catholic sites about Marian practices and prayers that not just asking her to intercede in prayer, but are directed ‘to’ her to actually ‘do’ things, these practices had to come from 'somewhere', especially since the Catholic church itself and many of its leaders promulgate and encourage them.

    Well your ‘thinking’, once again, is wrong, as he himself voided his own challenge by being honest.

    #337 Got Catholic Questions

    Swag: How about this - if you can demonstrate that one dogmatic teaching of the Catholic Church is contradicted by Sacred Scripture, I will become a Protestant again. I'll gladly take you up on that challenge.

    PM: Hold that thought.............

    ....Then later, in the same post.....

    Swag: Look, I cannot "prove" or "determine" that what the Catholic Church teaches about herself is true.

    PM: But earlier, in this same post you stated:

    Swag: How about this - if you can demonstrate that one dogmatic teaching of the Catholic Church is contradicted by Sacred Scripture, I will become a Protestant again. I'll gladly take you up on that challenge.


    Swag: Silence............

    Retract what statement "saying otherwise" – please post the statement that I made.

    If you are referring to the one below: it's already been dealt with and verified above.

    These prayers below, based on the developed teaching of men from the Catholic church show where Catholics are taught to put their faith and trust and it's NOT in Him.


    I suggest you check out scripture, as it confirms Who we should be trusting in and His ability to be able to meet all our needs!

    Ephesians 1:15-23

    15 Therefore I also, after I heard of your faith in the Lord Jesus and your love for all the saints, 16 do not cease to give thanks for you, making mention of you in my prayers: 17 that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give to you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of Him, 18 the eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that you may know what is the hope of His calling, what are the riches of the glory of His inheritance in the saints, 19 and what is the exceeding greatness of His power toward us who believe, according to the working of His mighty power 20 which He worked in Christ when He raised Him from the dead and seated Him at His right hand in the heavenly places, 21 far above all principality and power and might and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this age but also in that which is to come.22 And He put all things under His feet, and gave Him to be head over all things to the church, 23 which is His body, the fullness of Him who fills all in all.

    And then check out:

    Colossians 1
    15 The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16 For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him. 17 He is before all things, and in him all things hold together. 18 And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy. 19 For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him, 20 and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross.21 Once you were alienated from God and were enemies in your minds because of[g] your evil behavior. 22 But now he has reconciled you by Christ’s physical body through death to present you holy in his sight, without blemish and free from accusation— 23 if you continue in your faith, established and firm, and do not move from the hope held out in the gospel. This is the gospel that you heard and that has been proclaimed to every creature under heaven, and of which I, Paul, have become a servant.

    God Bless!

    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    Prayed and will pray for your 'spiritual adviser'.:prayer:
     
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  3. Fidelibus

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    Compared to a couple of Protestants from two of the many denominations or sects that can't agree on basics like Baptism, same sex marriage, abortion, ect? Got it! ;)

    I get you are still in denial of my response because it didn't meet "your" approval, but I am not embolden to "your" approval or non-approval. You may not agree with it, but that's on you. Just because "you" feel the question was not answered doesn't give you the final authority to determine it one way or the other. Sorry!

    Meaning those Scripture passages are only meant for non-Catholics? Wow!!!

    If you took out your bible and looked up the references I posted, I succeded in getting someone to open up their bible. That in my book, is a good thing. So yes, nice job, and you're welcome!! :)

    For calling you out on your inaccurate talking points? Sure, why wouldn't he be. ;)

    Sure I did. Unfortuntely for you, it just didn't meet or fuel "your" anti-Catholic rhetoric

    Hmmm... I think Swag365 did. Seems it didn't meet your personal approval as well. Oh well.

    Yes He is, but God also knows we are not........ "outside of time."

    Yes it is. Apparently, it seems Catholic enough for you too! ;)

    A little historical study into the Church at Antioch reveals that the early Christians’ church was, indeed, the Catholic Church. However, if you wish to believe Jesus, in His infinite wisdom and love for us, was going to wait nearly sixteen hundred years before He establishes His Church, you're welcome to it. I on the other hand don't and won't believe that for a moment, along with billions of other Christians throughout the globe.

    Apparently, you didn't notice the key word in the quotes from the popes you posted. The key word being "help"..... aka... intercession of the saints and angels before the throne of God. The Saints hear our prayers in heaven by God’s power and take them before the throne of God as “spirits of the just made perfect” (Heb 12:23) Also see Rev. 5:8 and Rev. 8:3-4.

    What I gather, you seem to be claiming that there are practices and prayers out there, where Catholic prayers and/or poems that are "directing" Mary to "do things", entirely outside the power of God, completely of her own powers, preforming some sort of miracles on her own, and that these prayers and/or poems are widely known/encouraged, and "had to come from somewhere" and that somewhere is from the Catholic Church and her leaders. Does that sound about right?

    If this is so, how about you conveying to us, two/ three examples of this excessive information of Marian practices and prayers asking Mary to preform miracles, entirely on her own, with zero help from God. In doing so PM, please include the name of the Authors, the dates/year they originated, and the source of this "plethora of information" so we can properly understand the true meaning of what the author is trying to convey.

    Until then, it may behoove you to understand, I know not a single Catholic, that is properly catechized, that believes Mary has some sort of saintly powers that are equal to God. I would even challenge you to ask any Catholic on this forum if they think and believes she does. For "anyone"..... Catholic or non-Catholic to think otherwise is simply asinine.

    To clarify, Mary herself does not perform miracles; all miracles are an act of God. That being said, Catholics that DO know their faith, believe that Mary will pray for us if we ask, and that God’s miracles can be related to her intercession. This belief has its roots in the Gospel story of the Wedding at Cana when Mary sees the needs of the young couple and brings them before Jesus. Following this, Jesus works his first miracle and turns water into wine.

    Well, let's see if Swag365 reads this posts and confirms it.

    Yup!

    Again, show where, any where, the Catholic Church teaches we are to put our total trust and faith somewhere other than God. I on the other hand will show you otherwise.

    CCC: Paragraph 2096; "Adoration is the first act of the virtue of religion. To adore God is to acknowledge him as God, as the Creator and Savior, the Lord and Master of everything that exists, as infinite and merciful Love. "You shall worship the Lord your God, and him only shall you serve," says Jesus, citing Deuteronomy."

    CCC: Paragraph 2097; "To adore God is to acknowledge, in respect and absolute submission, the "nothingness of the creature" who would not exist but for God. To adore God is to praise and exalt him and to humble oneself, as Mary did in the Magnificat, confessing with gratitude that he has done great things and holy is his name. The worship of the one God sets man free from turning in on himself, from the slavery of sin and the idolatry of the world."

    Canon Law 1255 of the 1918 Codex strictly forbids adoration of anyone other than the Holy Trinity. However, Catholics do feel that Mary is entitled to a great measure of exaltation because, in choosing her as the Mother of Redemption, God Himself exalted her – exalted her more than any other human person before or since.

    Okay, your turn. :cool:

    Oh.... meaning,,,, you are suggesting I should check out and believe what "you" and your personal and fallible interpretations/opinions, that have absolutely no authority over me or anyone else, thinks these passages (Eph.1:15-23; Col.1:15-23) may mean, and are subject to error.... right? ;)

    Have a Blessed Day!

    P.S. Thanks for your prayers for my S.D.!
     
  4. Placemat

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    Makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.
    My question, my determination on whether it was answered or simply responded too.

    What "anti-Catholic rhetoric" would that be? Hopefully after making such an accusation you can show where this has been done by me, if not it remains as nothing more than a desperate, panicky, tossed out slur on your part.

    Oh I noticed the key word 'help'....but that has nothing at all to do with the context of what I posted, being : Yes and as you can see below, certain Catholics embraced this prayer and by their examples and practices ‘taught’ other Catholics to place their trust in Mary…not God.

    Again, this is what I posted:
    Yes and as you can see below, certain Catholics embraced this prayer and by their examples and practices ‘taught’ other Catholics to place their trust in Mary…not God.
    ...... ........ ......
    Do a search, there’s a plethora of information from Catholic sites about Marian practices and prayers that not just asking her to intercede in prayer, but are directed ‘to’ her to actually ‘do’ things, these practices had to come from 'somewhere', especially since the Catholic church itself and many of its leaders promulgate and encourage them.


    They are beautiful scripture verses about our Lord, and I'd love for you to share with me the Catholic church's interpretation of them, or your own if you are permitted to do so. Here I'll post them again for you.

    Ephesians 1:15-23

    15 Therefore I also, after I heard of your faith in the Lord Jesus and your love for all the saints, 16 do not cease to give thanks for you, making mention of you in my prayers: 17 that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give to you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of Him, 18 the eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that you may know what is the hope of His calling, what are the riches of the glory of His inheritance in the saints, 19 and what is the exceeding greatness of His power toward us who believe, according to the working of His mighty power 20 which He worked in Christ when He raised Him from the dead and seated Him at His right hand in the heavenly places, 21 far above all principality and power and might and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this age but also in that which is to come.22 And He put all things under His feet, and gave Him to be head over all things to the church, 23 which is His body, the fullness of Him who fills all in all.

    And then check out:

    Colossians 1
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    The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16 For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him. 17 He is before all things, and in him all things hold together. 18 And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy. 19 For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him, 20 and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross.21 Once you were alienated from God and were enemies in your minds because of[g] your evil behavior. 22 But now he has reconciled you by Christ’s physical body through death to present you holy in his sight, without blemish and free from accusation— 23 if you continue in your faith, established and firm, and do not move from the hope held out in the gospel. This is the gospel that you heard and that has been proclaimed to every creature under heaven, and of which I, Paul, have become a servant.
     
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    The Pope clearly does more than just ask for her intercession/prayers, he asks her, and encourages Catholics to ask her to DO things.

    https://www.archstl.org/pope-francis-composes-prayers-for-end-of-pandemic-to-be-recited-after-rosary-5271

    O Mary, You shine continuously on our journey as a sign of salvation and hope. We entrust ourselves to you, Health of the Sick, who, at the foot of the cross, were united with Jesus’ suffering, and persevered in your faith.

    “Protectress of the Roman people,” you know our needs, and we know that you will provide, so that, as at Cana in Galilee, joy and celebration may return after this time of trial.

    Help us, Mother of Divine Love, to conform ourselves to the will of the Father and to do what Jesus tells us. For he took upon himself our suffering, and burdened himself with our sorrows to bring us, through the cross, to the joy of the Resurrection. Amen.

    We fly to your protection, O Holy Mother of God; Do not despise our petitions in our necessities, but deliver us always from every danger, O Glorious and Blessed Virgin.

    “We fly to your protection, O Holy Mother of God.”

    In the present tragic situation, when the whole world is prey to suffering and anxiety, we fly to you, Mother of God and our mother, and seek refuge under your protection.

    Virgin Mary, turn your merciful eyes toward us amid this coronavirus pandemic. Comfort those who are distraught and mourn their loved ones who have died, and at times are buried in a way that grieves them deeply. Be close to those who are concerned for their loved ones who are sick and who, in order to prevent the spread of the disease, cannot be close to them. Fill with hope those who are troubled by the uncertainty of the future and the consequences for the economy and employment.

    Mother of God and our Mother, pray for us to God, the father of mercies, that this great suffering may end and that hope and peace may dawn anew. Plead with your divine Son, as you did at Cana, so that the families of the sick and the victims be comforted, and their hearts be opened to confidence and trust.

    Protect those doctors, nurses, health workers and volunteers who are on the frontline of this emergency, and are risking their lives to save others. Support their heroic effort and grant them strength, generosity and continued health.

    Be close to those who assist the sick night and day, and to priests who, in their pastoral concern and fidelity to the Gospel, are trying to help and support everyone.

    Blessed Virgin, illumine the minds of men and women engaged in scientific research, that they may find effective solutions to overcome this virus.

    Support national leaders, that with wisdom, solicitude and generosity they may come to the aid of those lacking the basic necessities of life and may devise social and economic solutions inspired by farsightedness and solidarity.

    Mary Most Holy, stir our consciences, so that the enormous funds invested in developing and stockpiling arms will instead be spent on promoting effective research on how to prevent similar tragedies from occurring in the future.

    Beloved Mother, help us realize that we are all members of one great family and to recognize the bond that unites us, so that, in a spirit of fraternity and solidarity, we can help to alleviate countless situations of poverty and need. Make us strong in faith, persevering in service, constant in prayer.

    Mary, Consolation of the afflicted, embrace all your children in distress and pray that God will stretch out his all-powerful hand and free us from this terrible pandemic, so that life can serenely resume its normal course.

    To you, who shine on our journey as a sign of salvation and hope, do we entrust ourselves, O Clement, O Loving, O Sweet Virgin Mary. Amen.

    …………………………….


    Padre Pio’s Prayers – Our Lady of Graces

    VISIT TO THE BLESSED VIRGIN MARY

    Most holy Virgin Immaculate, my Mother Mary, it is to you, who are the Mother of my Lord, the Queen of the world, the advocate, the hope and the refuge of sinners, that I have recourse today, I, who most of all am deserving of pity. Most humbly do I offer you my homage, O great Queen, and I thank you for all the graces you have obtained for me until now, and particularly for having saved me from Hell, which, by my sins, I have so often deserved.

    I love you, O most lovable Lady, and because of my love for you, I promise to serve you always and to do all in my power to win others to love you also. In your hands I place all my hopes; I entrust the salvation of my soul to your care. Accept me as your servant, O Mother of Mercy; receive me under your mantle. And since you have such power with God, deliver me from all temptations, or rather, obtain for me the strength to triumph over them until death. Of you I ask the grace of perfect love for Jesus Christ. Through your help I hope to die a happy death. O my Mother I beg you, by the love you bear my God, to help me at all times, but especially at the last moment of my life. Do not leave me, I beseech you, until you see me safe in Heaven, blessing you and singing your mercies for all eternity, amen. So I hope, so may it be.

    AN ACT OF CONSECRATION

    O Mary, Virgin most powerful and Mother of mercy, Queen of Heaven and Refuge of sinners, we consecrate ourselves to thine Immaculate Heart. We consecrate to thee our very being and our whole life; all that we have, all that we love, all that we are. To thee we give our bodies, our hearts and our souls; to thee we give our homes, our families, our country. We desire that all that is in us and around us may belong to thee, and may share in the benefits of thy motherly benediction.

    And that this act of consecration may be truly efficacious and lasting, we renew this day at thy feet the promises of our Baptism and our first Holy Communion. We pledge ourselves to profess courageously and at all times the truths of our holy Faith, and to live as befits Catholics who are duly submissive to all the directions of the Pope and the Bishops in communion with him. We pledge ourselves to keep the commandments of God and His Church, in particular to keep holy the Lord’s Day. We likewise pledge ourselves to make the consoling practices of the Christian religion, and above all, Holy Communion, an integral part of our lives, in so far as we shall be able so to do.

    Finally, we promise thee, O glorious Mother of God and loving Mother of men, to devote ourselves whole-heartedly to the service of thy blessed cult, in order to hasten and assure, through the sovereignty of thine Immaculate Heart, the coming of the kingdom of the Sacred Heart of thine adorable Son, in our own hearts and in those of all men, in our country and in all the world, as in heaven. so on earth. Amen.


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    Mary, Star of the Sea
    Mary, Star of the Sea

    September 19, 2017

    “She, I say, is that shining and brilliant star, so much needed, set in place above life’s great and spacious sea, glittering with merits, all aglow with examples for our imitation. Oh, whosoever thou art that perceiveth thyself during this mortal existence to be rather drifting in treacherous waters, at the mercy of the winds and the waves, than walking on firm ground, turn not away thine eyes from the splendor of this guiding star, unless thou wish to be submerged by the storm! When the storms to temptation burst upon thee, when thou seest thyself driven upon the rocks of tribulation, look at the star, call upon Mary. When buffeted by the billows of pride, or ambition, or hatred, or jealousy, look at the star, call upon Mary. Should anger, or avarice, or fleshly desire violently assail the frail vessel of thy soul, look at the star, call upon Mary. If troubled on account of the heinousness of thy sins, distressed at the filthy state of thy conscience, and terrified at the thought of the awful judgment to come, thou art beginning to sink into the bottomless gulf of sadness and to be swallowed in the abyss of despair, then think of Mary. In dangers, in doubts, in difficulties, think of Mary, call upon Mary. Let not her name leave thy lips, never suffer it to leave thy heart. And that thou mayest more surely obtain the assistance of her prayer, see that thou dost walk in her footsteps. With her for guide, thou shalt never go astray; whilst invoking her, thou shalt never lose heart; so long as she is in thy mind, thou shalt not be deceived; whilst she holds thy hand, thou canst not fall; under her protection, thou hast nothing to fear; if she walks before thee, thou shalt not grow weary; if she shows thee favor, thou shalt reach the goal.”
    (Translation from Pius XII’s encyclical, paragraph 31).

    St. Bernard on Mary, Star of the Sea

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  7. Fidelibus

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    Again PM, please show where any of these intercessory prayers, writings, or poems ask the Blessed Virgin Mary to "Do Things" on Her own and outside the power of God?

    So, in case you missed it on my post # 463, I will re-post it.

    "Again, show where, any where, the Catholic Church teaches we are to put our total trust and faith somewhere other than God. I on the other hand will show you otherwise.

    CCC: Paragraph 2096; "Adoration is the first act of the virtue of religion. To adore God is to acknowledge him as God, as the Creator and Savior, the Lord and Master of everything that exists, as infinite and merciful Love. "You shall worship the Lord your God, and him only shall you serve," says Jesus, citing Deuteronomy."

    CCC: Paragraph 2097; "To adore God is to acknowledge, in respect and absolute submission, the "nothingness of the creature" who would not exist but for God. To adore God is to praise and exalt him and to humble oneself, as Mary did in the Magnificat, confessing with gratitude that he has done great things and holy is his name. The worship of the one God sets man free from turning in on himself, from the slavery of sin and the idolatry of the world."

    Canon Law 1255 of the 1918 Codex strictly forbids adoration of anyone other than the Holy Trinity. However, Catholics do feel that Mary is entitled to a great measure of exaltation because, in choosing her as the Mother of Redemption, God Himself exalted her – exalted her more than any other human person before or since.

    Have a Blessed Day!
     
  8. Albion

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    Many devotions to Mary, many prayers and petitions, state that she can do this or that if she chooses. She can guarantee that the petitioner will not die without a last chance to repent, for example. Of course, not every prayer is that way, and it can be said that it's only because of God that she is able to grant such petitions, but the fact remains that this kind of thing is part of the issue, even apart from the question of whether or not it's proper.

    Here are several examples:
    Petitions to the Sorrowful Heart of Mary – Redimidos (wordpress.com)
     
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  9. Placemat

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    Already addressed the CCC/Canon Law quotes in my post #465....red part especially.

    Again, this is what I posted:

    Yes and as you can see below, certain Catholics embraced this prayer and by their examples and practices ‘taught’ other Catholics to place their trust in Mary…not God.
     
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    This say it all ^_^.

    Let us pray. O Lord Jesus Christ, we beseech thee that the most Blessed Virgin Mary, whose soul was pierced by the Sword of Sorrow in the hour of Thy Passion, may be our advocate at the throne of Thy Mercy, now, and at the hour of our death. Through Thee, Jesus Christ, Redeemer of the World, Who livest and reignest with the Father and the Holy Ghost, world without end. Amen.
     
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    Not "it can be said", it is plainly stated, repeatedly, throughout Catholic theology.
     
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    My Queen, My Mother, I offer
    myself entirely to thee.
    And to show my devotion to thee,
    I offer thee this day, my eyes,
    my ears, my mouth, my heart,
    my whole being without reserve.

    Wherefore, good Mother, as I am thine own,
    keep me, guard me as thy property and possession.
    Amen.

    I guess that leaves God with nothing. Oh well.
     
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    LOL Read the Bible. In the Davidic kingdom, the mother of the king is the queen. At the cross Jesus made Mary our spiritual mother--mother of His Church.
     
  15. Albion

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    That isn't the point, however. What I was saying is that there is a counter-argument (yours), but that it does not excuse every case where the devotions go too far. Unfortunately, that counter is routinely used by some people to justify all prayers to the saints.
     
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    So the queen receives complete and utter obeisance from the subjects and the king receives nothing of the sort?
     
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    Again PM, how about you conveying to us, information of Marian practices and prayers asking Mary to preform miracles, entirely on her own, with zero help from God.

    Have a Blessed Day!
     
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    I dont know where you get that idea

    In Orthodoxy, this is the opening set of prayers, called the Trisagion (or Three Holies):

    Glory to thee, O God, glory to thee.
    O heavenly King, Comforter, the Spirit of truth, who art everywhere present and fillest all things, Treasury of good things and Giver of life: Come, and abide in us and cleanse us from every stain and save our souls, O Good One.
    +Holy God, Holy Mighty, Holy Immortal, have mercy on us.
    +Holy God, Holy Mighty, Holy Immortal, have mercy on us.
    +Holy God, Holy Mighty, Holy Immortal, have mercy on us.
    +Glory to the Father and to the Son and to the Holy Spirit, both now and ever, and unto ages of ages. Amen.

    All-holy Trinity, have mercy on us. Lord, cleanse us from our sins. Master, pardon our iniquities. Holy One, visit and heal our infirmities for Thy name’s sake.

    During Lent, we add the Prayer of St. Ephraim
    O Lord and Master of my life, a spirit of idleness, curiosity, ambition, and idle talking; give me not.
    But a spirit of chastity, patience, and love, bestow upon me, Thy servant.
    Yea, O Lord King: grant me to see mine own failings, and not to condemn others; for blessed art Thou unto the ages of ages. Amen.
     
  19. Fidelibus

    Fidelibus Well-Known Member

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    Hey, once again bbbbbbb, instead of posting your usual anti-Catholic sarcasm, I'd like to remind you that I am still waiting for the bible verse where you said on post # 326:

    That we are supposed to take it too.......

    Again, book, chapter, and verse where it says this please.

    Along with what you said on post #329:

    So again I ask, as an adherent of the belief in the doctrine of Sola Scriptura, (the Bible alone) could you please show where it says this in the Bible? Book, Chapter and verse please.

    Have a Blessed Day!
     
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