Satan also appears as an angel of light, that doesn't mean that all angels are evil.
1Pursue love, yet desire earnestly spiritual gifts, but especially that you may prophesy. 2For one who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God; for no one understands, but in his spirit he speaks mysteries. 3But one who prophesies speaks to men for edification and exhortation and consolation.
Do not forbid speaking in tongues... that is demonic.
Then Paul is in trouble.
1 Corinthians 14:28 But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.
Is Paul a hypocrite? No. So there are some readings here in that chapter that is being misunderstood, and only God can help you see that.
Your reference is Paul citing that if any seek a spiritual gift, out of all the spiritual gifts to seek, we are to seek the gift to prophesy in verse 1.
Then Paul started to compare the gift of prophesy against the gift of tongues to show why the gift of prophesy is the better gift to seek.
Thru out that entire chapter, Paul was engaging in the topic of downplaying tongues to such a degree that he had to make sure at the end that the reader understood that he was not forbidding tongues, but prophesy was the better gift to seek after.
In that comparison, most readers err thinking Paul was describing the gift of prophesy and the gift of tongues; but he wasn't. Paul was describing why to seek the gift of prophesy over tongues because tongues is not a stand alone gift because it needs to be followed by interpretation in the assembly; hence if no interpretor, the "tongue speaker" is to be silent.
That means every God given tongue speaker will have interpretation; otherwise, Paul could never instruct someone to be silent in the church.
Now looking at verse 2 & 28, only God can help us to see the meaning of Paul's words. Starting with verse 28 in working bacwards...
28 But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and
let him speak to himself, and to God.
When there is no interpretor, this is Paul's way of saying that this "tongue speaker" that no one understands is not God given but a foreignor speaking out of place in the church, because he speaks to himself, meaning he understands what he is saying and to God meaning God understands what he is saying. This does not mean he was speaking TO God as if communicating with God, because otherwise, you would have him speaking to himself. Do we need to communicate to ourselves? No.
So Paul use of speaking to himself & to God is referring to understanding what is being said. We can see that meaning in the second verse below.
2 For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God:
for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.
So the God given tongue speaker is not speaking unto men that he would normally speak unto men to be understood by men nor himself, but what this God given tongue speaker is saying of other men's lips is understood by God; but again, this is not testifying that He is speaking to God because there are no mysteries to God, and so this was about understanding what was being said in why prophesy was better than tongues.
3 But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort. 4 He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church. 5 I would that ye all spake with tongues but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues,
except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.
So in context, Paul was explaining that tongues is not a stand alone gift.
Now one have taken out of context that tongue edifies self: but Paul explained later on that even to himself, it is unfruitful unless interpreted. **Due note that such an errant point of self edification was not validating tongues as a prayer language at all & the misapplication gets worse.
13 Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret. 14 For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth,
but my understanding is unfruitful. 15 What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.
#1) Paul is saying that while the Holy Spirit is manifesting tongues in him, Paul is praying that someone else may interpret.
#2) It is Paul that is praying while speaking in tongue: not the Holy Spirit praying.
#3) Paul concluded that unless someone interpreted, it was unfruitful even to himself as a tongue speaker.
So tongues is not nor was it ever meant to be a stand alone gift.
Paul gave the bottomline on tongues which had no exception for prayer language.
20 Brethren, be not children in understanding: howbeit in malice be ye children, but in understanding be men. 21 In the law it is written,
With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord.
Paul had set the precedent that tongues is not a prayer language earlier because all manifestations of the Spirit are to profit the body withal.
1 Corinthians 12:7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man
to profit withal. 8 For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit; 9 To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit; 10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits;
to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues: 11 But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will. 12 For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ.
The problem here is that believers are believing every spirit and not testing them. They want to believe that what had just happened to them is from God and that because the tongues that spirit brought it comes with no interpretation, then they assumed wrongly zealously that it has to be a prayer language.
Out of this error, and because of that "spectacular" second hand supernatural experience that many believers errantly assumed it was with the Holy Ghost, many are unaware of how they are being misled in changing their "born again" testimony to when they had received tongues without interpretation rather than their earlier testimony when they had received the promise of the Spirit by "faith" in Jesus Christ. This in turn is responsible for the heresey of "If you do not speak in tongues, you do not have the Holy Spirit, and thus you are not saved."
There is even another heresey where they preach another baptism with the Holy Spirit that comes with evidence of tongues as being separate from salvation, but that would go against Paul's word below.
13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and
have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
That means there is no second drink of the Holy Spirit, and thus that spectacular second supernatural experience is not of Him at all.
I am not answering your demonic questions about voodoo and babbling. It is insulting to the work of the Holy Spirit. People don't speak in tongues to prove anything... there are other ways to tell if someone is Christian.
They show the characteristics of a Christian.
If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal. 2 And if I have prophetic powers, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. 3 If I give away all I have, and if I deliver up my body to be burned, but have not love, I gain nothing.
4 Love is patient and kind; love does not envy or boast; it is not arrogant 5 or rude. It does not insist on its own way; it is not irritable or resentful; 6 it does not rejoice at wrongdoing, but rejoices with the truth. 7 Love bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.
8 Love never ends. As for prophecies, they will pass away; as for tongues, they will cease; as for knowledge, it will pass away. 9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part, 10 but when the perfect comes, the partial will pass away. 11 When I was a child, I spoke like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I gave up childish ways. 12 For now we see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I have been fully known.
13 So now faith, hope, and love abide, these three; but the greatest of these is love.
It is not so difficult... why use the enemy to attack the church? Seducing spirits act like demons, they accuse the brethren, twist words and are deceitful
As Paul said: we prophesy in part & know in part and yes, people do read Paul's words to fit their tongues without interpretation into scripture, but it is out of misplaced zeal in wanting their tongues to be of God.
2 Cor 4:16 So we do not lose heart. Though our outer self is wasting away, our inner self is being renewed day by day. 17 For this light momentary affliction is preparing for us an eternal weight of glory beyond all comparison, 18 as we look not to the things that are seen but to the things that are unseen. For the things that are seen are transient, but the things that are unseen are eternal.
Who renews you everyday?
Jesus Christ thru the Holy Spirit "in" me.
Romans 12:2And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the
renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.
2 Corinthians 4:16For which cause we faint not; but though our outward man perish,
yet the inward man is renewed day by day.
Ephesians 4:22 That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;
23 And be renewed in the spirit of your mind; 24
And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.
Colossians 3:And have put on
the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:
That is how we are renewed day by say as saved believers: it is not by the renewing of the Holy Ghost that happened at our salvation. That reference is about how we were saved so that nobody would think we are saved by good works.
Titus 3:4 But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared, 5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; 6 Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour; 7 That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.
So we are not saved by good works, but Paul did say urged in the next verse that it was important as it was "profitable" unto men.
8 This is a faithful saying, and these things I will that thou affirm constantly, that they which have believed in God might be careful to maintain good works. These things are good and profitable unto men.
So yes, I am being renewed day by day by Jesus Christ, the author & finisher of our faith.
Philippians 1:6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:...11 Being filled with the fruits of righteousness, which are by Jesus Christ, unto the glory and praise of God.
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I was under the understanding that this sub-forum was "created" for Charismatics and non-Word of Faith members for which I would fall under as a nonWOF member to participate in. If however this is meaning only for Charismatics, then the description needs some clarity.
As it is, I am former Presbyterian and officially, I represent no denomenation, but by His grace & by His help, I represent Jesus Christ and His words in keeping the faith which is the good fight in defending Him & His words: not a church nor any unscriptural practises within that church.
It's more than I can bear sometimes, but I thank Jesus for His loving-kindness. 
