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Can we invite Jesus in our "HEART" ?

Discussion in 'Non-denominational' started by aforchrist33, Jul 14, 2002.

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  1. aforchrist33

    aforchrist33 Member

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    Vines dictionary page 297 defines the "Heart" (KAPOIA) as "Cheif organ of phisical life."

    Dictionary Of Comparative Religion page 266 quotes in 600 B.C. the "Heart" was "Symbolic of EROS Greek phalic god of sexual love and homosexuality, whom Paul rebuked at Mars Hill in Athens. (Acts 17:22)

    Strong page 45 biblically defines "Heart" according to (Romans 6:17/10:9,10) as "The thoughts (Mind) and Harper page 377 as the "Center for decisions" based on scriptual references to .....

    Thought- (Genesis 6:5) Teaching- (Exodus 35;34) Wisdom- (2 Chronicles 9:33) Understanding- (1 Kings 3:12) Persuasion- (Job 41:24) Speech- (Psalms 15:2) Rememberance- (Proverbs 4:4) God's mind- (Jeremiah 23:20) Doubt- (Mark 11:23) Communication- (Luke 6:45) Comprehention- (John 12:40) Rebellion- (Romans 2:5) Emotion- (2 Corinthians 2:4) Confusion (Ephesians 4:18) Desire- (Hebrews 4:12) Belief- (Revelation 18:1)

    Remember, "Heart" and "Mind" are not the same! according to (Numbers 15:27) (Deuteronomy 10:12) (Proverbs 24:14) (Joshua 22:5) (2 Kings 23:3) (2 Chronicles 15:12) (Mark 12:30)

    We must receive Salvation (Acts 8:37) through Jesus "The word" (John 1:1,14) mentally (Ephesians 4:23) not fleshly. (Proverbs 14:30)
     
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  2. ZiSunka

    ZiSunka It means 'yellow dog'

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    So you are saying that our "hearts" have nothing to do with salvation?

    Jesus's words:

    So, you are saying that when Jesus said, "heart," he meant "phallus? :D

    I think he was saying that your heart is your essential being, not a blood pump, a ymbol of who you are and what you are about., an essential aspect in determining how you will live and Who you will love.

    The brain is but one organ in a whole organism. Your brain might tell you onw thing, and your heart another.

    Metaphorically speaking, your heart is the totality of your being. Jesus was saying that the totality of your essential being is what gets you to acknowledge and accept God, or reject Him.
     
  3. aggie03

    aggie03 Veritas Vos Liberabit

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    Your heart is very important in your salvation. You have to have a good heart, ready to accept the word of the Lord on order for the teachings of Christ to have any effect on you, in order that you may be to cut to heart in the realization that you are a sinner and in need of repentance. Your heart is an extremely important part of your salvation - however I believe that the point that aforchrist33 was trying to make is that you can't just pray for God to come into your heart and then you've received salvation.
    There's more to it than that, the Bible says so.

    When you read Acts 2:38, in fact the entire passage that deals with Peter talking to the Jews, we are told that there is more than just prayer that is necessary for us to receive the gift of salvation - we are to repent and be baptized in the name of Christ Jesus for the remission of our sins. There are things that we must do to be saved, we must be obedient, even though it is not this obedience but the grace of God which saves us. For it is written:

    "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter.
    Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?' And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.' "

    -- Matthew 7:21-23

    It is very evident from this passage that we must follow the will of God inorder to enter the kingdom of heaven. While faith is a very important part of our salvation - in fact you can't have salvation without your faith - there are other things that you can't have salvation without - one of these things is obedience to the will of God. 
     
  4. aforchrist33

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    Dear Lambslove;

    Thank's for your reply. I never said the word "Heart had nothing to do with salvation but asked if "We could invite Jesus in our hearts" to define it's meaning.

    I am however serprise to see that someone would assume I would believe Jesus used the word "Heart" to mean Phallus. I was mearly explaining what heart was refered to by heathens before Jesus used it. lol

    As for your second asumption that Jesus referal to heart meant "Essential being" would you please give me a scripture as I have to establish your claim?

    You also said "Your brain might tell you one thing, and your heart another" How can your heart as an organ think to apose the brain?

    There is only place in the physical body which has the freedom of choice "The brain" not the "Totality of body"
     
  5. TruelightUK

    TruelightUK Tilter at religious windmills

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    From the Scriptures already cited, it is clear that the Bible and Jesus often use the word 'heart' metaphorically, indicating the seat of our emotions and of our responsiveness to God (and others). Thus, again, in the O.T. Jehovah spoke of 'taking away the heart of stone and replacing it with a heart of flesh' (Ezek. 11:19) - clearly not refering to a literal (physical) heart transplant - cf Pharoah's 'hardened heart' (Ex 10) - and again to 'writing my laws on their hearts' (Jer 31:33) and (bizarrely) to 'circumcising the foreskin of your heart' (Deut 10:16). A similar idiom is found in the expression 'I desire truth in the inward parts' (Ps 51:6) - not talking about having honest intestines (!), but about having an essential inward commitment to truth - a 'gut reaction' of integrity and righteousness, which motivates one's whole lifestyle.

     
    When we speak of the heart in this way, we are speaking of far more than just thought processes (which can be theoretical, detatched and coldly uncommitted), but about a wholehearted emotional commitment; not just mentally working out what is right and proper, but being decisively personally and emphatically behind a course of action - as in the expression 'thinking with your heart not your head'; we instinctively know what is right for us, without consciously working it out or understanding.  Thus we are commanded to 'Love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength' (Mark 12:30).

    Thus when we speak of 'inviting Jesus into our hearts' we are speaking figuratively, about making Jesus Lord of our whole lives - allowing Him free access to our innermost thoughts, feelings and decisions. The nearest Biblical parallel would be Jesus own reference to 'abiding in us' (John 15 - see also Jn 14:16,17).


    Anthony
     
  6. aforchrist33

    aforchrist33 Member

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    Dear TRUELIGHT;

    Thank's for your response to our subject on the "Heart". I suppose the best way to settle opinions on the intent meaning of a word is to use the simplicity that is in Christ. (2 Corinthians 1:12)

    I firmly believe that after having proven that the "Heart" is phisical and incapeable of emotion (Proverbs 14:30) and giving 16 scriptures that define the "Heart" as refering to the "Mind" it would be useless to use other scriptures to cancel the ones given.
     
  7. Thunderz7

    Thunderz7 New Member

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    Using 1Thess.5:23 & Heb.4:12, A case could be made that the heart is a combination of the soul and spirit.

    T7
     
  8. TruelightUK

    TruelightUK Tilter at religious windmills

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    Proven?

    And I thought it was supposed to be a physical organ!So you can 'prove' that heart means two different things, but no-one else can use Scripture to suggest another meaning still???

    If 'heart' only ever means 'mind', why would the Bible urge us to love God with both heart and mind?   And elsewhere the prayer that both our hearts and minds be kept in the knowledge and love of Christ?   Do you not think it is worth giving some consideration to the various Scriptures cited by myself and others to see if there is ground for another level of meaning - allowing 'scripture to throw light on scripture' - rather than simply excluding them because they appear not to fit your current understanding? (Even if you end up rejecting our interpretation.)

    Anthony
     
  9. ZiSunka

    ZiSunka It means 'yellow dog'

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    Really. There are many places where the Bible talks about heart and mind in the same sentence. Heart has to mean something other than just mind.
     
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