Can we forgive God?

[SanFrank]

Well yes God is omnipotent but He has also reserved His power over sin to give us free will. So we will each believe what we may and what follows is a result of that belief. Since Jesus believed He was the son of God, it followed that the world killed Him because of the beliefs they held about God and the messiah.

Jesus didn't ever once commit murder nor did He condemn sinners, but He believed in forgiveness and repentance as being the foundation for an ethical society in a sinful world. I don't agree that your attitude to condemn God is nearly as admirable as Jesus' attitude was to unite us with God, hence my desire to argue with your belief.

Can you quote the verse which Jesus says people should be killed for not honoring their father and mother, I don't think I have read that.

As for original sin, you are forgetting that time and space are linear, they have a beginning and an end, and according to my belief Jesus did atone for original sin, but what has been done cannot just be undone, it must be repared according to certain laws of physics (such as angels being eternal, their life has no natural death so God had to create a lake of fire which would purify the fallen angels of their sinful nature - humans are more fortunate that our soul can be purified by fire, yet the spirit continues to grow while we have a body).

Yay.

 

[SanFrank]

He hasn't forgiven Satan yet and it's been, what, a few thousands years?

We have almost no knowledge of the spirit world so where did you get this info? Book of Enoc mentions that there is no forgiveness for the angels referenced therein.

 

[oi_antz]

Which always brought up an interesting question in my mind:

If Satan repented, would he be forgiven in Christian theology? Would Jesus' sacrifice cover even his sins?

It's being discussed over here:

http://www.christianforums.com/t7484423/

 

[b&wpac4]

It's being discussed over here:

http://www.christianforums.com/t7484423/

I would be unable to participate, but thanks for the link.

I don't really believe in Satan the way Christians do, I just find some of these ideas interesting.

 

[SanFrank]

From your post there was a few things I would like to ask you T.

How do you come up with God is He? Granted Jesus was a male but the Creator source of females and males, please explain?

Adam originally contained both male and female elements before Eve's creation. Zohar explains it in detail and its more a spiritual journey. It's "He" so man can understand.

 

[oi_antz]

I would be unable to participate, but thanks for the link.

I don't really believe in Satan the way Christians do, I just find some of these ideas interesting.

You're the second person who has an interest in that post but can't contribute, perhaps someone might create a new post in one of the outreach forums to address this topic, it would certainly be interesting..

 

[Zstar]

I'm glad you realize "G-d is greater than all that," but it would be more disturbing if we didn't have anything we could relate to. Our personal G-d makes it abundantly clear He does not come to our assistance at our whims! At least He does so in the Bible, so you might check into that, and find the Bible makes much sense.

Where did your personal 'friend' communicate this to you, by the writtings of someone, in your bible? 'He' does so in the bible? Ever wonder if this might be fantasy? Based on actual things (here and there) but where do we draw the line between fact and fantasy?

 

[tucker58]

out of "allah's" own mouth, sura 16:101, mistakes made intentionally.

But we know if G*d made a mistake, we would not exist.

Can we forgive G*d you ask? Let's forgive one another first. Are you capable? The saints will be judging muslims. Lets practice forgiving.

SanFrank that was a bit out of left field

Your post has a radio talk show quality to it . And the Saints (martyrs) are stacked and racked in front of God complaining about things and God is doing things in His own time

This topic is not about God judging us, it is about "us" judging God

But thank you for you input!

love,

tuck

 

[razeontherock]

Not quite. He [Jesus] didn't deal with original sin.

ORLY? Or did you just never fathom that depth of His Love?

Sending Jesus seems more and more to be an act of cowardice rather than kindness, especially when God was perfectly capable of achieving his end result without a sacrifice, given that he is omnipotent.

Try this, from a Disciple of Paul:

"learn of how great avail humility is with God—how much the spirit of pure affection can prevail with Him—how excellent and great His fear is, and how it saves all those who walk in it with a pure mind"

 

[Zstar]

Adam originally contained both male and female elements before Eve's creation. Zohar explains it in detail and its more a spiritual journey. It's "He" so man can understand.

Who is Zohar, how does "he" explain "he" (God)?

 

[tucker58]

Adam originally contained both male and female elements before Eve's creation. Zohar explains it in detail and its more a spiritual journey. It's "He" so man can understand.

What? Zohar has a disciple! Too cool! He/she is a very hard worker and very persistent! and not only that but He/she is actually quite cool.

just love,

tuck

Opps, Zohar is not Zoness. Darn! Zoness is cool! I do not not who Zonar is. Tuck having to much fun and got caught at it . Opps! Good night guys my birthday is over and I am going to bed! You are all loved! tuck

 

[SanFrank]

And so a man will join his wife and the two will be as one... yeah my wife makes me complete.

I forgive my brethren in Christ for their transgressions against me, and in this manner I am also forgiving Jesus, G*d.

If I give a child some water, I gave it to Jesus.

But forgive G*d for what?

 

[hamashiachagape]

Assuming the Bible is literally true, God has a long way to go before he deserves forgiveness.

Hmm...Charles Templeton agrees with this, but you have to remember that many of these arguments are made on emotion. For what reason would God need forgiveness?

 

[hamashiachagape]

What? Zohar has a disciple! Too cool! He/she is a very hard worker and very persistent! and not only that but He/she is actually quite cool.

just love,

tuck

Opps, Zohar is not Zoness. Darn! Zoness is cool! I do not not who Zonar is. Tuck having to much fun and got caught at it . Opps! Good night guys my birthday is over and I am going to bed! You are all loved! tuck

Zohar is a book of Jewish mysticism. Its connected with Kabbalistic writings, and is an attempt by Jews to understand God.

 

[hamashiachagape]

Adam originally contained both male and female elements before Eve's creation. Zohar explains it in detail and its more a spiritual journey. It's "He" so man can understand.

I don't think the Zohar is as reliable a resource as you might think.

 

[Key]

If, and I say, "if", God has made any mistakes, then can we forgive God for His mistakes?

Jesus has created a reality where we are forgiven. If God has made any mistakes, then can we as Christians forgive God for any mistakes that He might have made?

love,

tuck

Sure we can, but what would be the worth of a human's forgiveness to a god?

This question made me wonder a bit, because to be asked, that means that the concept that when was seek God's forgiveness, it is because we have broken his laws, laws he established as our creator.

To say, we forgive God. The question here would be "for what?" you mentioned a mistake, but what mistake would he have made that requires our forgiveness?

Or that we have the authority to forgive him for?

Makes me wonder the nature of your question.

 

[SanFrank]

I forgive G*d (not sure for what though). I do not forgive "allah".

 

[b&wpac4]

I forgive G*d (not sure for what though). I do not forgive "allah".

Bit obsessed with Islam there?

 

[hamashiachagape]

I forgive G*d (not sure for what though). I do not forgive "allah".

You mean alilah right?

 

[SanFrank]

I don't think the Zohar is as reliable a resource as you might think.

I put the book down a while ago.

Whereabouts israel?