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Featured Can we find Eden, the biblical site of our origin?

Discussion in 'Controversial Christian Theology' started by guevaraj, Sep 7, 2019.

  1. Eden is at the International Date Line

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  2. The Sabbath shift at Israel points to the International Date Line

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  3. The Sabbath shift depends on your location on the earth

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  4. All of the above

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  1. guevaraj

    guevaraj an oil seller in the story of the ten virgins

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    The Bible shows me that Eden falls on the International Date Line (IDL). Genesis 1:3-5 shows that the first day is from light to light or from morning to morning. In Israel, the Sabbath is not the seventh day of the week as it was in Eden: Israel remembers to keep the seventh-day Sabbath established in Eden holy by remembering the Sabbath in the time zone of Eden from evening to evening, ten hours before its local seventh day of the week from morning to morning in obedience to God's instructions. This shift of ten hours point to the site of Eden from Israel and fall on the International Date Line. The International Date Line comes from all of us from the beginning: when God taught the human race to count the days with the week to remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy; before humanity spread throughout the world. This tradition of counting days established the International Date Line without us appreciating its significance in our history until these last days. I have written a book on the subject, "Proof of God in the International Date Line: Site of our Origin", available on all major platforms. I welcome everyone to challenge my point of view. I am willing to provide a free PDF copy to influential people who can promote this book through reviews or other means. Sincerely, Jorge
     
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  2. Original Happy Camper

    Original Happy Camper One of GODS Children I am a historicist Supporter

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    This is what the bible says that differs from you statement. You have not quoted GOD
    correctly

    Genesis 1:5
    And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
     
  3. Tolworth John

    Tolworth John Well-Known Member

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    You have a very strang bible.
    The world where eden was, was destroyed by a global flood.
    Take a look at the grand canyon over a mile depth of water bourn sedimentary rock.
    No one knows where Eden was on the earth.
     
  4. guevaraj

    guevaraj an oil seller in the story of the ten virgins

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    It is not I who forces an inconsistent interpretation of the Bible. The position that evening represents night and morning represents day is inconsistent with God's message in Leviticus 23:32, where you cannot interpret the evening to represent the night period as it is forced in Genesis 1:3-5. Both periods in Genesis and Leviticus begin with an evening but end differently. Logically, if evening to evening in Leviticus is 24 hours then evening to morning in Genesis can not be 24 hours and is the 12 hours of the night that ends the first day that began with light.
    • from light to light are the 24 hours of the first day
    • from light to evening is the 12 hours of the day
    • from evening to morning is the 12 hours of the night
    • from evening to evening are the 24 hours of a sabbath in Israel that is not the seventh-day as it was in Eden from morning to morning.
    United in our hope of the soon return of Jesus, Jorge
     
  5. JohnAshton

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    If 'Eden' is a literal, historical, place, then, yes, possibly, it can be 'found.'
     
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  6. guevaraj

    guevaraj an oil seller in the story of the ten virgins

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    The reason why no one knows where Eden was is because we have not yet fully understood the Sabbath that marks the site of Eden from Israel, the Sabbath is remembered in the time zone of Eden. United in our hope of the soon return of Jesus, Jorge
     
  7. guevaraj

    guevaraj an oil seller in the story of the ten virgins

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    The evidence of its location was hidden in our past by traditions that have not fully exposed the whole truth about the Sabbath that God established on the seventh day of the creation week. United in our hope of the soon return of Jesus, Jorge
     
  8. Tolworth John

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    There is no biblical evidence for your assumptions.
    The sabeth is not a place like Eden was. The sabeth is an idea of behaviour. So does not have a location on the earth.

    Christianity does not have sacred sites, holy places, sites of spiritual significance simple because we worship God in Spirit and inTruth.
    We do not need places, rites, ceremonies etc to worship God and equally we do not need a set day.

    We find it confinent to have a set day of worship, so people are free from work etc and can easily meet together, but it is not vital.
     
  9. guevaraj

    guevaraj an oil seller in the story of the ten virgins

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    I do not agree, the Sabbath is proof of our loyalty to the word of God, as was not eating from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. United in our hope of the soon return of Jesus, Jorge
     
  10. Acts2:38

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    First, Eden's position was described in detail:
    Gen.2
    8 And the Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.

    9 And out of the ground made the Lord God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

    10 And a river went out of Eden to water the garden; and from thence it was parted, and became into four heads.

    11 The name of the first is Pison: that is it which compasseth the whole land of Havilah, where there is gold;

    12 And the gold of that land is good: there is bdellium and the onyx stone.

    13 And the name of the second river is Gihon: the same is it that compasseth the whole land of Ethiopia.

    14 And the name of the third river is Hiddekel: that is it which goeth toward the east of Assyria. And the fourth river is Euphrates."

    From there you have virtually pin pointed a certain area. So I would hardly say that it falls exactly on the IDL. It's either on one side or the other, but not ON it.

    Secondly, Moses, by divine authority and guidance from God, wrote the first 5 books. Therefore the true author is God Himself who just happened to use Moses to write it. So if the Hebrew word for day (yawm) states one 24 hour day (context combined with evening and morning), then that's exactly what is meant. One day.

    Thirdly, Adam and Eve's sin caused them to be ousted out of Eden. On top of being kicked out, God placed guards at every entrance so no one could enter. Eden (which is a physical place) was never really important to mention in scripture except as an example being used to describe something.

    Lastly, Eden was destroyed when the flood event happened. Even if you found the location precisely, it would not be "Eden" anymore as it was described in Genesis 2, etc.
     
  11. Acts2:38

    Acts2:38 Well-Known Member

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    It's simple grammar.

    The sentence structure/ context/ use of language directly states that Eden is a place.

    Thus, also, use of language directly states the sabbath as an ideology specifically from God.

    You will not find one person in a teaching position that would agree with you otherwise. You cannot twist this unless you are purposefully trying to be blinded.

    Sabbath (never described as a place):
    Genesis 2
    2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.

    3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

    Lev.23
    3 Six days shall work be done: but on the seventh day is a sabbath of solemn rest, a holy convocation; ye shall do no manner of work: it is a sabbath unto Jehovah in all your dwellings.

    Eden (a physical place) (later used as an example in scripture but always known as a physical place)
    Genesis 2
    6 But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.

    7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

    8 And the Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.

    9 And out of the ground made the Lord God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

    10 And a river went out of Eden to water the garden; and from thence it was parted, and became into four heads.

    11 The name of the first is Pison: that is it which compasseth the whole land of Havilah, where there is gold;

    12 And the gold of that land is good: there is bdellium and the onyx stone.

    13 And the name of the second river is Gihon: the same is it that compasseth the whole land of Ethiopia.

    14 And the name of the third river is Hiddekel: that is it which goeth toward the east of Assyria. And the fourth river is Euphrates.

    15 And the Lord God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.
     
  12. guevaraj

    guevaraj an oil seller in the story of the ten virgins

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    Brother, the most popular way to locate Eden is by using the merging of rivers, but this is incompetent given the biblical flood, they couldn't find a better way.

    It's on the west side of the International Date Line.

    Genesis shows two uses of the word day, the 12 hours of light is a day and the first day is 24 hours. The evening and morning mentioned in Genesis 1:5 is only the second half of a day, the half God called night from evening to morning that comes after the first half of light God called day from morning to evening.

    We thought it was not important because we did not fully understand the Sabbath, but God tied the Sabbath to the site of Eden and that makes it important in these last days. The Sabbath for us in these last day is evidence of faith as was not eating from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil for Adam and Eve. They failed, will we be ready for Jesus return?

    It is new evidence to consider for abandoning our Sunday tradition that replaces the true Sabbath. United in our hope of the soon return of Jesus, Jorge
     
  13. guevaraj

    guevaraj an oil seller in the story of the ten virgins

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    Brother, I know it is a place and I have found where it is from Israel using the Sabbath that is still being kept in Israel.

    I know that the Sabbath is not a place, but neither is it the seventh day of the week in Israel as it was in Eden. United in our hope of the soon return of Jesus, Jorge
     
  14. Tolworth John

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    The keeping of the sabbeth is an indication of how serious one takes Gods laws. It is not an indication of proof of loyalty to the bible.

    The sabbeth was never something to be eaten.
     
  15. guevaraj

    guevaraj an oil seller in the story of the ten virgins

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    Brother, we are full of traditions that are not faithful to the word of God, the Sabbath is no exception.

    I am the Lord your God; follow my decrees and be careful to keep my laws. Keep my Sabbaths holy, that they may be a sign between us. Then you will know that I am the Lord your God.” (Ezekiel 20:20 NIV)​

    Jesus spoke about these traditions that contradict the word of God. It was the popes of the Roman apostate church who wanted Sunday to replace the Sabbath. A tradition that was not questioned by the Protestant Reformation due to the founders short lifespan and so many traditions to correct. United in our hope of the soon return of Jesus, Jorge
     
  16. Christ is Lord

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    What does it profit us in locating Eden?
     
  17. guevaraj

    guevaraj an oil seller in the story of the ten virgins

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    Brother, for non-believers it is evidence of God in our origin of the day count with the week corroborated by the site of the International Date Line. United in our hope of the soon return of Jesus, Jorge
     
  18. Christ is Lord

    Christ is Lord Well-Known Member

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    If a non-believers decides to come to faith and that’s a contributing factor then they have it all wrong.
     
  19. guevaraj

    guevaraj an oil seller in the story of the ten virgins

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    Brother, that's what my book is about, providing evidence of the discovery. United in our hope of the soon return of Jesus, Jorge
     
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    Christ is Lord Well-Known Member

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    And that’s all well and fine. However, we need to be careful that we don’t place too much emphasis on things of this nature. All the best with your book :)
     
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