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Featured CAN WE BE SAVED WHILE CONTINUING IN KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN? WHAT IS SIN? WHAT IS RIGHTEOUSNESS?

Discussion in 'Controversial Christian Theology' started by LoveGodsWord, Feb 20, 2019.

  1. timothyu

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    How many prayers for the dead must be paid for?
     
  2. LoveGodsWord

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    PROVERBS 28:13 [13], He that covers his sins shall not prosper: but whoever confesses and forsakes them shall have mercy.

    1 JOHN 1:9 [9], If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

    1 JOHN 2:1 [1], My little children, these things write I to you, that you sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous.

    Our rightouesness does not God's from God's LAW because all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God *ROMANS 3:19-23. God's LAW (10 commandments) are established through FAITH in God's WORD *ROMANS 3:31; ROMANS 13:8-10; EPEHSIANS 2:8; HEBREWS 8:10-12 and is the NEW COVENANT promise is all those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's Word.

    According to God's WORD in the NEW COVENANT God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) is the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNES *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172.

    According to God's WORD all those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23. OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50.

    RIGHTOUESNESS FROM THE INSIDE OUT

    JESUS came to magnify the LAW from the INSIDE OUT quoting MATTHEW 5:17-32 (thoughts and feelings) in fulfillment of *ISAIAH 42:21. This is to show that unless our RIGHTOUESNESS EXCEEDS the RIGHTOUESNESS of the Scribes and Pharisees we can in no way enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN. Jesus is saying the problem runs deeper then outward observance to the 10 Commandments. EVIL begins in the HEART. BREAKING GOD's 10 COMMANDMENTS from the heart defile a man *MATTHEW 15:18-19. JESUS is saying we can be outwardly perfect and blameless like the Scribes and Pharisee but inwardly like dead mans bones *MATTHEW 23:27-28. JESUS magnified the LAW to the INSIDE OUT. To show us that we are all sinners in need of a Saviour and that sin originates in the HEART (thoughts and feelings). That is why we have the NEW COVENANT promise and need to be BORN AGAIN by Faith in God's WORD for salvation to be free from SIN (breaking any one of God's 10 commandments) *HEBREWS 8:10-12; 1 JOHN 3:3-10.

    If we are not BORN AGAIN into the NEW COVENANT promise and continue in it we will not enter the kingdom of Heaven *1 JOHN 2:3-4; 1 JOHN 2:3-4. ALL those who KNOWINGLY break any one of God's 10 commandments stand guilty before God of sin *JAMES 2:10-11. All those who KNOWINGLY CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into God's KINGDOM *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23. God's 4th Commandment is one of the 10 Commandments that give us the KNOWLEDGE of what sin is. There is no such thing as the 9 commandments in God's WORD. The same as there is no scripure that says God's 4th commandment is Abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day.

    RIGHTESOUSNESS comes from LOVE because LOVE is the fulfilling of God's LAW and the very expression of what LOVE is *ROMANS 13:8-10. He that does not LOVE does not KNOW GOD for GOD IS LOVE * 1 JOHN 4:8. All those who are BORN AGAIN have a NEW HEART TO LOVE and FOLLOW GOD *1 JOHN 4:7. This is the NEW COVENANT promise *HEBREWS 8:10-12. Those who are BORN AGAIN do not practice SIN (breaking God's Commandments) *1 JOHN 3:4-9. This is why JOHN finishes on this subject by saying; For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous *1 JOHN 5:3 and is why JESUS says IF you LOVE me KEEP my commandments *JOHN 14:15. UNLESS we are BORN AGAIN under the NEW COVENANT to LOVE we will not enter the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *JOHN 3:3-7. We need to be changed from the INSIDE OUT.

    How can we LOVE when our heart is broken? Unless we are born again we will not see the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.
     
  3. LoveGodsWord

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    HOW CAN WE LOVE WHEN OUR HEARTS ARE BROKEN?

    MATTHEW 12:34-35 [34], O generation of vipers, how can you, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks.

    JEREMIAH 13:23 [23], Can the Ethiopian change his skin, or the leopard his spots? then may you also do good, that are accustomed to do evil.

    JEREMIAH 17:9-10 [9], The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it? [10], I the LORD search the heart, I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings.

    MATTHEW 15:19-20 [19], For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies: [20], These are the things which defile a man: but to eat with unwashed hands defiles not a man.

    JOHN 5:42 But I know you, that you have not the love of God in you.

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    We break God's Commandments [SIN] because we do not LOVE.

    Yep looks like we have a broken heart that needs fixing as there is no LOVE in us without Jesus. Unless we are born again to LOVE we will not see the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.
     
  4. LoveGodsWord

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    With the first question already answered,

    1. What is sin?,

    Does anyone else wish to have a go at answering the other questions in the OP here?

    2. What is rightouesness?

    3. What is repentance?

    4. What do we repent from?

    5. Can we be saved while continuing in known unrepentant sin?

    God bless
     
  5. timothyu

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    Been there done that a number of times but will wait out others responses. :)
     
  6. ViaCrucis

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    Why would praying for people need to be paid for?

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  7. timothyu

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    Because that is what some people do. But the point is, how many prayers accomplish the same thing as brownie points?
     
  8. ViaCrucis

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    Some people pay for prayer?

    -CryptoLutheran
     
  9. ViaCrucis

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    1. What is sin?

    Answer: All which is a failure to do as we ought. It is, in a simplified way, all which is in transgression to God's commandments. In a more complicated way, as St. Paul says, "everything that does not come from faith is sin". So while the stronger brother can, with a clean conscience, eat foods sacrificed to idols in good faith and it is not a sin (since idols are nothing), the weaker brother regards such to be sinful--it is therefore a sin to violate one's conscience and do something one believes is wrong; and further it is wrong to place another in a position to violate their conscience. One man honors one day above another, but there is no difference; it is a sin to violate the conscience of one's brother, just as it is a sin to insist on one day over another as though God has commanded such a thing when He has not.

    2. What is righteousness?

    Answer: That which is right. That's the meaning of the word, the state or condition of rightness or being in the right; compare to the Latin derived word justice, i.e. that which is just or right. Righteousness and justice are the same thing. We know that on account of the sinful appetites that we are not righteous, but indeed we are unjust; and that we behold in God's commandment the reflection of our iniquity. For God has commanded that we love our neighbor as ourselves, and we have not done it. As Martin Luther writes, "The Law says 'Do this' and it is never done." So it is that St. Paul can say, "There is no one righteous, not even one." For there is none who is righteous, none who has done good, no one who seeks after God, we are all, without exception, wayward. And so we find that no one is righteous under the Law, for no one has kept the Law, no one has abided in God's commandments. None, except Jesus Christ. The only just one, the only righteous one. And by the grace of God His perfect righteousness, His justice, has become our justice as pure gift, through faith. Therefore, "justice is revealed from faith to faith, as it is written, 'The just shall walk by faith.'" So we have received the alien righteousness of Christ, as pure gift. For we, being sinners, have no righteousness, and no ability to obey God's good command. For all have sinned and fallen short, there is no one who is righteous, and all stand condemned under the Law as sinners.

    3. What is repentance?
    4. What do we repent from?

    Answer: Metanoia, a change or transformation of the mind; the sorrow and grief that comes when I behold my sins for what they are; that I have sinned against God and my neighbor in thought, word, and deed; by what I have done and by what I have left undone. I have not loved God with my whole heart, I have not loved my neighbor as myself. I have gone my own way, sought myself, and pursued my own righteousness thinking that I could be righteous. But now seeing that with the Law sin abounds, for where knowledge of the Law is, sin increases; for the Law reveals our sin and man in his sin thinks he can obey God's law. So that I find in myself another law working in my members, the law of sin--the good that I want to do I don't do and the evil I don't want to do I do, and I find in myself only the wretchedness of my inability, my powerlessness, and my own rotting flesh. Here in my emptiness, my weakness, my nothing, as a wretched and filthy beggar, I find myself. And it is here as a beggar that God gives me all His gifts, in having nothing I have been given everything. So that, indeed, thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord.

    5. Can we be saved while continuing in known unrepentant sin?

    Answer: We must be supremely careful here. For in one direction lay arrogance and in the other despair. Which is why a proper distinction and preaching of Law and Gospel is necessary. Yes, the Law reckons us sinners, and therefore as long as we go on in the destructive pursuits of our flesh we will surely die. And Scripture warns us repeatedly not to shipwreck our faith. However, we hear these words not to despair, to lose faith, and to suffer in hopelessness--but to be vigilent and always look to Christ. Because here in Christ is the indelible and irrevocable promise of God, that we belong to Him, that He keeps us, holds us, and makes us His own. And there is no power stronger than God's love which is ours in Christ, as St. Paul says, "I am convinced that neither life nor death, ... nor any other thing can separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus" The call to repentance is not weapon to be wielded to manipulate people, or to be used to injure the faith of God's people, but instead is to be understood as our life of discipline, as cross-carrying disciples of Jesus. To keep our minds sober, to be full aware of our sins and our need for grace. So that we cleave to Jesus Christ and what He has done, and never seek to cling to our own works. For Christ alone saves, and He alone has saved us, and all which He has done is certain, true, and eternally satisfactory. Therefore we trust in Christ and not in ourselves.

    And it is here that there is the new obedience. For our neighbor is hungry, let us feed him. Our neighbor is thirsty, let us give her drink. There are those in our midst who are suffering, who need medicine, who are being oppressed, who are lacking, who need clothes, and all manner of things. So the Lord calls us outward, outside of ourselves, and toward our neighbor. Christ does not call us to the self-righteousenss of the Judaizers who care about circumcision, sabbaths, and all such shadow. Christ calls us to the seriousness of the plight of our fellow man, created in God's image, who we are called to serve and minister in love even as Christ has loved us, even as Christ loves them. And here we do these things not out of hope for reward, but out of sacrifice and love. God will not reward you for feeding someone, you will get no shiny prize or a gold star on some heavenly record--you are to feed the hungry because they are hungry and it is the good thing to do. That and no other reason. Seeing as God "having forgiven us all our trespasses, by canceling the record of debt that stood against us with its legal demands" we should be free now, as slaves of God and not of sin, to love our neighbor. Knowing full well that the flesh remains and we, always, failing in our sin; but that nevertheless Christ saves us. We can therefore hope in Him, both now and on the last day.

    -CryptoLutheran
     
  10. ace of hearts

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    I've absolutely no idea why you're responding like this to me.
     
  11. LoveGodsWord

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    Yep, it seems you do not. The scriptures and post answer the questions you asked.
     
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  12. ViaCrucis

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    I don't.

    But some, apparently, do feel that way.

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  13. ace of hearts

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    I don't understand how your post relates to my questions and statements.
     
  14. LoveGodsWord

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    Spiritual things are spiritually discerned. Perhaps you can pray about it?
     
  15. LoveGodsWord

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    Why did you say ...
    That is why I posted...
    What did you mean?
     
  16. ace of hearts

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    I've responded to your Gen 2; Ex 20; Ps 119; Mat 19; MK 2; Acts 15; Rom 2, 3, 6, 7, 8, 13, 14; Gal; 1 Jn 3, 5; Heb 8, 9, 10; Rev 12, 14, 22 and more you reference and quote with both Scripture quotes/references and commentary. So when are you going to discuss mine such as Gal 5:1-10; 1 Jn 3:23?
     
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  17. ace of hearts

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    What you're posting isn't spiritual or Scriptural.
     
  18. ViaCrucis

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    My question was asked tongue-in-cheek.

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  19. ViaCrucis

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    This presumes a thing is spiritual.

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  20. LoveGodsWord

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    What is not Spiritual? Only scripture is posted?
     
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