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Can Satan cast out Satan?

Discussion in 'General Theology' started by grafted branch, Feb 11, 2021.

  1. coronawatching

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    What's your perspective on your question?
     
  2. grafted branch

    grafted branch Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Ok, so in Matthew 12:43 the unclean spirit goes out of the man, goes through dry places, seeks rest and finds none. We know it’s not the man that seeks rest and finds none because Matthew 7:7 says seek and ye shall find; so it’s the unclean spirit that seeks and can’t find.

    In Verse 44 the unclean spirit says he’s going to return to the house he came out of; and in verse 45 he takes 7 other spirits along with him.

    The last statement in verse 45 is “Even so shall it be also unto this wicked generation”. These things happen to “this generation” but the word “also” implies that it happens again. What are your thoughts on this last statement?
     
  3. The Liturgist

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    The Orthodox emphatically reject the idea this is Tartarus, as do I. You do realize Revelation is primarily about the future? Also, Babylon was used as a cipher for paganism and pre-Christian Rome; the Number of the Neast most likely refers to Nero, based on compelling evidence of gematria, and/or refer to some future evil antichrist whose name can also compute to 666.
     
  4. coronawatching

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    Yes, I was pondering on that last statement myself. I wrote something about it in my last post to you then erased it before I sent. Jesus' life, death, burial and resurrection cleansed the temple of God on Earth (The Church). He bound the strongman and spoiled his goods. The first century Church had the most power, signs, wonders, miracles etc. But Satan has crept in over time, and he has came back into the Church seven times (number for perfection) stronger.
     
  5. grafted branch

    grafted branch Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Thanks for that explanation, I have a somewhat different view but as with most end time views I tend to look at things as possible but I almost never apply certainty to any view. So my current view is this …

    I think the house of the strong man in Matthew 12:29 is referring to the Gentile nations. The Gentiles didn’t have the gospel until after the cross.

    I think the house in Matthew 12:44 could defiantly be referring to the same house (Gentiles) because Revelation 20:7-8 Satan is loosed and deceives the nations once again. I’m really not quite sure about the statement “Even so shall it be also unto this wicked generation”. I think this most likely has a dual fulfillment.

    When I look at Matthew 12:45 it would be Satan then that takes 7 other spirits more wicked than himself and they enter in and dwell there. The seven other spirits being more wicked than Satan could be understood using Matthew 23:15 as something similar happens where the scribes and Pharisees convert someone and he is twofold the child of hell than they are. The strong man’s house would now have Satan and seven other spirits, this then seems to correlate with Revelation 17:11 where the beast is called the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition; and also as I already stated, with Revelation 20:8 where Satan goes out and deceives the nations after the 1,000 years.
     
  6. grafted branch

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    I tend to have a preterits view but I also think there remains the possibility of dual fulfillment in several areas.
     
  7. coronawatching

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