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Daniel 12:1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
Michael is the protector, the one who stands “for the children of thy people” Gods people.
Daniel 12:1 says at that time thy people shall be delivered, who is he talking about? The answer is in that verse, “every one that shall be found written in the book”. That is the church, Gods people, not unbelieving Jews. How will they be delivered? The answer is in verse 2
Daniel 12:2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
The only deliverance specifically mentioned here is the resurrection. The timing of this resurrection is mentioned directly after the” Time of trouble”, which lines up perfectly with the words of Jesus and Paul.
Revelation 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
If Michael can “restrain” the dragon from entering heaven again why is it many believe he cannot restrain the dragon from being revealed as the man of sin. The casting of the dragon to earth may actually be tied to the revealing as the man of sin. The timing definitely fits.
9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
Michael has the God given power and authority to overcome the dragon (satan) and cast him out of heaven with his angels. Michael is the only entity in scripture even tied to handling satan or other fallen angels in this manner. Of course, Jesus has all power and all He had to do is say "get thee behind me" and satan obeyed. It is clear from this passage in Revelation that Michael was assigned with the task of removing satan and his angels from heaven so IMHO is very possible and extremely likely Michael is the one who “withholdeth”. For those that try to state unequivocally this is impossible, do you have any scriptural argument or proof that it cannot be so or is your proof your long held belief to the contrary which cannot be substantiated by scripture? Please I am open to any real scriptural argument but simply stating Jesus has all power does not work here. Declaring it is the church that is taken out of the way is a false argument not backed by any scripture in this case, it is merely a convenient answer with no basis in fact. I will submit to you that Rev 12 is tied to 2 Thess 2.
10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.
12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
After satan is cast down by Michael, that is when he begins his “great wrath”, final 3 ½ year (short time) stand through the person of the man of sin, and persecution of the saints Revelation 13:7. That is how the casting out of satan is tied to the revealing of the man of sin in 2 Thessalonians 2:7-8.
Much has been written on these forums, even whole threads dedicated to try to redefine what 2 Thessalonians tells us about the timing of our gathering. The text still says verses 1 &2 will not happen until after the “falling away” (apostasy) and “the man of sin” is revealed.
Much creative interpretation has been put forth to change the clear straight forward wording of the passage because it destroys the pretrib doctrine.
Simply put our gathering cannot be the restraining force taken out of the way to reveal the man of sin because our gathering cannot and will not according to the text happen until after the “falling away” and “the man of sin” is revealed.
Michael can be, and most likely is that force for the reasons already pointed out.
Daniel 10:13 But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days: but, lo, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me; and I remained there with the kings of Persia.
14 Now I am come to make thee understand what shall befall thy people in the latter days: for yet the vision is for many days.
15 And when he had spoken such words unto me, I set my face toward the ground, and I became dumb.
16 And, behold, one like the similitude of the sons of men touched my lips: then I opened my mouth, and spake, and said unto him that stood before me, O my lord, by the vision my sorrows are turned upon me, and I have retained no strength.
17 For how can the servant of this my lord talk with this my lord? for as for me, straightway there remained no strength in me, neither is there breath left in me.
18 Then there came again and touched me one like the appearance of a man, and he strengthened me,
19 And said, O man greatly beloved, fear not: peace be unto thee, be strong, yea, be strong. And when he had spoken unto me, I was strengthened, and said, Let my lord speak; for thou hast strengthened me.
20 Then said he, Knowest thou wherefore I come unto thee? and now will I return to fight with the prince of Persia: and when I am gone forth, lo, the prince of Grecia shall come.
21 But I will shew thee that which is noted in the scripture of truth: and there is none that holdeth with me in these things, but Michael your prince.
Michael is involved in Daniel 10 and Revelation 12 in the very kind of warfare described in 2 Thessalonians. That makes him a leading candidate to be the restrainer in 2 Thessalonians. If you disagree show the evidence for your theory from scripture.
Michael is the protector, the one who stands “for the children of thy people” Gods people.
Daniel 12:1 says at that time thy people shall be delivered, who is he talking about? The answer is in that verse, “every one that shall be found written in the book”. That is the church, Gods people, not unbelieving Jews. How will they be delivered? The answer is in verse 2
Daniel 12:2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
The only deliverance specifically mentioned here is the resurrection. The timing of this resurrection is mentioned directly after the” Time of trouble”, which lines up perfectly with the words of Jesus and Paul.
Revelation 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
If Michael can “restrain” the dragon from entering heaven again why is it many believe he cannot restrain the dragon from being revealed as the man of sin. The casting of the dragon to earth may actually be tied to the revealing as the man of sin. The timing definitely fits.
9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
Michael has the God given power and authority to overcome the dragon (satan) and cast him out of heaven with his angels. Michael is the only entity in scripture even tied to handling satan or other fallen angels in this manner. Of course, Jesus has all power and all He had to do is say "get thee behind me" and satan obeyed. It is clear from this passage in Revelation that Michael was assigned with the task of removing satan and his angels from heaven so IMHO is very possible and extremely likely Michael is the one who “withholdeth”. For those that try to state unequivocally this is impossible, do you have any scriptural argument or proof that it cannot be so or is your proof your long held belief to the contrary which cannot be substantiated by scripture? Please I am open to any real scriptural argument but simply stating Jesus has all power does not work here. Declaring it is the church that is taken out of the way is a false argument not backed by any scripture in this case, it is merely a convenient answer with no basis in fact. I will submit to you that Rev 12 is tied to 2 Thess 2.
10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.
12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
After satan is cast down by Michael, that is when he begins his “great wrath”, final 3 ½ year (short time) stand through the person of the man of sin, and persecution of the saints Revelation 13:7. That is how the casting out of satan is tied to the revealing of the man of sin in 2 Thessalonians 2:7-8.
Much has been written on these forums, even whole threads dedicated to try to redefine what 2 Thessalonians tells us about the timing of our gathering. The text still says verses 1 &2 will not happen until after the “falling away” (apostasy) and “the man of sin” is revealed.
Much creative interpretation has been put forth to change the clear straight forward wording of the passage because it destroys the pretrib doctrine.
Simply put our gathering cannot be the restraining force taken out of the way to reveal the man of sin because our gathering cannot and will not according to the text happen until after the “falling away” and “the man of sin” is revealed.
Michael can be, and most likely is that force for the reasons already pointed out.
Daniel 10:13 But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days: but, lo, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me; and I remained there with the kings of Persia.
14 Now I am come to make thee understand what shall befall thy people in the latter days: for yet the vision is for many days.
15 And when he had spoken such words unto me, I set my face toward the ground, and I became dumb.
16 And, behold, one like the similitude of the sons of men touched my lips: then I opened my mouth, and spake, and said unto him that stood before me, O my lord, by the vision my sorrows are turned upon me, and I have retained no strength.
17 For how can the servant of this my lord talk with this my lord? for as for me, straightway there remained no strength in me, neither is there breath left in me.
18 Then there came again and touched me one like the appearance of a man, and he strengthened me,
19 And said, O man greatly beloved, fear not: peace be unto thee, be strong, yea, be strong. And when he had spoken unto me, I was strengthened, and said, Let my lord speak; for thou hast strengthened me.
20 Then said he, Knowest thou wherefore I come unto thee? and now will I return to fight with the prince of Persia: and when I am gone forth, lo, the prince of Grecia shall come.
21 But I will shew thee that which is noted in the scripture of truth: and there is none that holdeth with me in these things, but Michael your prince.
Michael is involved in Daniel 10 and Revelation 12 in the very kind of warfare described in 2 Thessalonians. That makes him a leading candidate to be the restrainer in 2 Thessalonians. If you disagree show the evidence for your theory from scripture.
