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Featured Can God's existence be UNPROVEN?

Discussion in 'Christian Philosophy & Ethics' started by Jaxxi, Oct 13, 2020.

  1. Jaxxi

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    Yes I meant DISPROVEN...To me there is an OVERWHELMING bit of evidence that God is real. For one, the Search for Intelligent Life Institute has a criteria model in which they determine if a variable is deemed intelligent and when they applied the criteria to human DNA coding, they found that the odds of human DNA NOT being created by Intelligent Design were 13 TRILLION to one. For 2, if we evolved from apes, then why are there still apes? And 3, the overwhelming proof of Near Death Experiences and miracles that go along with them. Is this needing proof thing based on eyesight? You can't see the wind but you feel its effects and know it is real. Those who need proof, do you think people are running around so desperate to believe in something that we put teeth under our pillows and have unicorn shrines? God has SHOWN Himself to us in one way or another that makes it IMPOSSIBLE to doubt Him. To be honest, God isn't running around trying to prove Himself to people and failing!! If your heart is hard and you flat out do not believe, then The LORD is not your Father anyways and He won't bother.
     
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  2. Michael Collum

    Michael Collum Everything began with a voice, use yours Supporter

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    Faith is the evidence, so if you don't have faith - God is not visible and unproven.
     
  3. ReesePiece23

    ReesePiece23 The Peanut Buttery Member.

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    Knowing God is a completely different realm to just proving or disproving Him. And it goes far beyond facts, figures, percentages and science. And I'm glad it does too, because when you're in that realm, all of that just seems meaningless. What YOU experience and how He shows himself to you is the only thing that matters.
     
  4. pescador

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    I don't think that one has to go farther than Romans 1. Either you're aware of God through His glory -- creation -- or you're not. Of course, that doesn't rule out other means, but it clearly states that God exists. If people aren't aware of God, that is their personal inability.
     
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  5. St_Worm2

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    Hello Pescador, I agree, but I would also say that it's not so much a matter of "personal inability", rather, that it's a matter of personal "choice", first and foremost anyway (Romans 1 makes it clear that the overwhelming evidence of God's existence leaves us "without excuse" as far as knowing that He exists .. Romans 1:20).

    Granted, the prince of this world is always busy at work blinding the people of this world, but I believe that Romans 1:20 is true, even so.

    --David
     
  6. Jaxxi

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    Well there is always the science to back it up!
     
  7. Michael Collum

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    But even if a man was risen from the dead, they won't believe.
     
  8. hedrick

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    I assume the question means disproven. I think it’s pretty clear that answer is no. However you can disprove specific concepts of God by showing that they are incoherent or self contradictory.
     
  9. Jaxxi

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    Amen to that!
     
  10. Jaxxi

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    That's true!
     
  11. Tolworth John

    Tolworth John Well-Known Member Supporter

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    But is the only reasonable explanation.
    If there is no God, then what caused everything to be?
     
  12. Michael Collum

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    Argument from silence.

    If we don't know what it is, the best thing is to say "I don't know"

    people will come to the conclusion that God is the origin when they have faith, until they have faith no amount of evidence will convince them.
     
  13. d taylor

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    Create a big enough lie and that will fool a lot of people.
     
  14. Michael Collum

    Michael Collum Everything began with a voice, use yours Supporter

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    I recall it being said that it does not need to be a big lie, it just needs to be what people want to believe.
     
  15. d taylor

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    This is the age of the church that The Messiah is building. But it is also the age of satan and his ruleing of his kingdoms, he was able to take away from Adam.

    So every government is part of satans kingdom, and satan is a liar. So it would look like hi kingdoms would reflect his character to a certain point. God does given satan rulers to rule with but really would God give satan a christian believer to rule his kingdoms with, especially as the tribulation moves closer.
     
  16. ReesePiece23

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    I don't want to defile my previous post, but this is where quantum physics CAN come into play. Time as we know it is only relevant because we orbit a star - otherwise, the rest of the universe exists in a quantum state where Earth time has ZERO relevance.

    This is when you'll need to comprehend the concept of infinity. It's a concept that goes BEYOND the human mind - which, admittedly, can be good or bad, depending on where that takes you.

    Anyway, that's basically nonsense talk. I'm trying to lose this way of thinking. I'm a much happier person now NOT questioning every single facet of every atom, ever created. I'd rather adopt a bit of child-like innocence and trust in Him to KNOW what He's doing.

    I drove myself mad, until I found, there's no need.
     
  17. Jaxxi

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    EXACTLY because they try to say we formed from chaos, or from the nothingness but where I come from 0+0×0÷0=0!! You cant get something from nothing.
     
  18. Jaxxi

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    No but why does Satan get to rule anything? He already rules the underworld. Is it part of Adam's punishment since he sinned and since Satan got him to sin, he gets to be rewarded by punishing all of the human souls he can get his grip on for eternity?
     
  19. .Mikha'el.

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    No, because most negatives cannot be proven.
     
  20. d taylor

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    satan is not in the underworld, not sure where that idea came from. As for satan ruling the underworld, satan is not like God (omniscient) so he can not be or know about all places at one time, of course not sure how fast he may physically move about but satan is limited in his knowledge and not all knowing.

    in which you once walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience,

    whose minds the god of this age has blinded, who do not believe, lest the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine on them.

    Now is the judgment of this world; now the ruler of this world will be cast out.

    of judgment, because the ruler of this world is judged.

    We know that we are of God, and the whole world lies under the sway of the wicked one.
     
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