Can God Make 2+2=5?

[dad]

Hi,

Math does not exist apart from God.

LOVE,

That depends who uses it. We can use it for His glory or not. People cannot say that God cannot make 2 add up to more than 2. He showed He can. Man can't. So the math of man is small and limited.

 

[Cimorene]

In some of my other discussions the answer has been "yes" to this question. In context, the topic was Noah's flood. My opinion is that given the evidence, a global flood that produced the entire fossil record would require miracles paramount to making 2+2=5. Can God do that? Do miracles violate the natural laws God Himself created? And if miracles don't violate natural law, how is a global flood and a young earth possible?

He could but why would he. Tbh I think it's insulting to believe in a young earth and a global flood because it's implying that God has no integrity and put all the evidence to contradict that just to fool us.

 

[SkyWriting]

This article summarizes everything I am trying to say about the flood and more. Especially, note the diagram on pg 2

You can't just buy into any published article.
Coal is formed by heating organic material in the absence of oxygen.
That would be
in the absence of fire
-opposite of what your source says.-
Its true that direct contact with water would cool the materials.
But nobody is claiming that flood waters have saturated everything
everywhere, at all times anyway. Your source is nuts.

If you want to show flood geology is wrong, you can't go under the
premise that coal needs fire.

 

[Smidlee]

In some of my other discussions the answer has been "yes" to this question. In context, the topic was Noah's flood. My opinion is that given the evidence, a global flood that produced the entire fossil record would require miracles paramount to making 2+2=5. Can God do that? Do miracles violate the natural laws God Himself created? And if miracles don't violate natural law, how is a global flood and a young earth possible?

A producer of a film can make bullets bounce off Superman's chest just by speaking "let it be so". A man that creates a computer is not bound by his own creation .. the computer. The exact same way with God with His Creation.

 

[SkyWriting]

He could but why would he. Tbh I think it's insulting to believe in a young earth and a global flood because it's implying that God has no integrity and put all the evidence to contradict that just to fool us.

Like when Jesus calmed the water, it was to fool us to believe the water was calm that day?
Or when Jesus healed a man blind from birth, it was to fool us into believing he had always had sight?

 

[Cimorene]

Like when Jesus calmed the water, it was to fool us to believe the water was calm that day?
Or when Jesus healed a man blind from birth, it was to fool us into believing he had always had sight?

Let's stay focused. Why does all evidence contradict the claims that the earth is young and a global flood happened?

 

[katerinah1947]

That depends who uses it. We can use it for His glory or not. People cannot say that God cannot make 2 add up to more than 2. He showed He can. Man can't. So the math of man is small and limited.

Hi,

1.) All math comes from God.
2.) All things from God, can be used to oppose God.
3.) What people say and what is correct sometimes are different.
4.) Yes God in the flour and oil made it last for a year.
4.1.) Yes God multiplied the loaves and fishes to feed 5000 people with more left over than was originally there in the first place.
4.2.) Yes Jesus did that.
5.) Yes man cannot do that on his own.
6.) The math of man is from God though.

God said through The Blessing to Subdue the earth. All those that do, are doing The Will of God, and Gid helps them do His Will.

Math is merely a part of doing God's Will.

To say that it is small and limited when it actually comes from God in the first place, is perhaps insulting to God.

I am small and limited. Yet God does not perceive you that way. Somehow, you and I are important to God.

And adopted son of God, are you sure that being able to call God your Dad, qualifies you as limited anymore, or small anymore?

Math to God, having created and made it and given it life, is as limited and small as God wishes it to be.

Since math can destroy thus world and protect it, how small is it really?

And, since man, meaning you, can do the same, protect or destroy the earth, how small are you? Hie puny are you?

Right! It is compared to what! You and math are not puny nor small, except compared to God.

LOVE,

 

[SkyWriting]

Let's stay focused. Why does all evidence contradict the claims that the earth is young and a global flood happened?

The same with the blind man. The goal was not to fool you to believe he was sighted from birth.
Was the empty tomb meant for you to believe no body was put in there?
Water gushed from a rock. You were meant to believe the rock was full of water?
11 Then Moses lifted up his hand and struck the rock twice with his rod; and water came forth abundantly, and the congregation and their beasts drank.

So the formula is Rock plus rod taps by Moses = water.
But you say the message is the "the rock always was full of water."
The blind man could always see
the lame man could always walk
the deaf person could always hear
the saved person was always saved.......Oh....I have to retract that one.
other than that one, I disagree.

 

[Smidlee]

Let's stay focused. Why does all evidence contradict the claims that the earth is young and a global flood happened?

All evidence? Are you sure?

 

[SkyWriting]

Right! It is compared to what! You and math are not puny nor small, except compared to God.

But God so loved us that He sent His only Son. We are not small in God's eyes.

 

[Cimorene]

All evidence? Are you sure?

If you have peer-reviewed evidence in legitimate scientific journals showing that the earth is less than 10000 yrs old and a global flood happened please share.

 

[Cimorene]

The same with the blind man. The goal was not to fool you to believe he was sighted from birth.
Was the empty tomb meant for you to believe no body was put in there?
Water gushed from a rock. You were meant to believe the rock was full of water?
11 Then Moses lifted up his hand and struck the rock twice with his rod; and water came forth abundantly, and the congregation and their beasts drank.

So the formula is Rock plus rod taps by Moses = water.
But you say the message is the "the rock always was full of water."
The blind man could always see
the lame man could always walk
the deaf person could always hear
the saved person was always saved.......Oh....I have to retract that one.
other than that one, I disagree.

If you actually have evidence that the earth is less than 10000 yrs old and a global flood happened why aren't you sharing that? It's like you're putting on a magic trick show.

 

[Smidlee]

If you actually have evidence that the earth is less than 10000 yrs old and a global flood happened why aren't you sharing that? It's like you're putting on a magic trick show.

The more scientist learns the harder for them to defend realism. Now most of them still believe realism is true.
You think if there was a court case between two sides of science they would be on one side the universe is 13.5 billion years old and the other only a few thousands. But that's not the case. One side would be the universe actually exist and the other it's doesn't (without God involvement). The evidence is piling up that it doesn't. Hawkings believes the universe is the product of our minds.
I personal believe the universe is the product of God's word.

 

[homohabilis117]

Like when Jesus calmed the water, it was to fool us to believe the water was calm that day?
Or when Jesus healed a man blind from birth, it was to fool us into believing he had always had sight?

Those miracles did not leave evidence behind that strongly implies that they didnt happen

 

[homohabilis117]

You can't just buy into any published article.
Coal is formed by heating organic material in the absence of oxygen.
That would be
in the absence of fire
-opposite of what your source says.-
Its true that direct contact with water would cool the materials.
But nobody is claiming that flood waters have saturated everything
everywhere, at all times anyway. Your source is nuts.

If you want to show flood geology is wrong, you can't go under the
premise that coal needs fire.

I'm going under the premise that charcoal needs fire. Which it does. Its different from coal.

 

[SkyWriting]

If you actually have evidence that the earth is less than 10000 yrs old and a global flood happened why aren't you sharing that? It's like you're putting on a magic trick show.

I don't have evidence for any miracles mentioned in scripture.

1. 
   . Born to a virgin - Miracles of Jesus
   . Changing water into wine - Miracles of Jesus
   . Healing of the royal official's son - Miracles of Jesus
   . Healing of the Capernaum demoniac - Miracles of Jesus
   . Healing of Peter's mother-in-law - Miracles of Jesus
   . Healing the sick during the evening - Miracles of Jesus
   . Catching a large number of fish - Miracles of Jesus
   . Healing a leper - Miracles of Jesus
   . Miracle of healing a centurion's servant - Miracles of Jesus
   Healing a paralyzed man - Miracles of Jesus
   Healing a withered hand - Miracles of Jesus
   . Raising a widow's son - Miracles of Jesus
   . Calming the storm - Miracles of Jesus
   . Healing the Gerasene man possessed by demons - Miracles of Jesus
   . Healing a woman with internal bleeding - Miracles of Jesus
   . Raising Jairus' daughter - Miracles of Jesus
   . Healing two blind men - Miracles of Jesus
   
   

 

[SkyWriting]

I'm going under the premise that charcoal needs fire. Which it does. Its different from coal.

Not a correct premise. Just check for crying out loud.
Your source is insane.

The buried layers were not ALWAYS under water.
The finished layers or the materials that later
became charcoal layers were not ALWAYS wet
before, during, or after.

They could have been charred before, during, of after being wet.
Most all layers are water deposition.

Charcoal is usually produced by slow pyrolysis,
the heating of wood or other substances in the
absence of oxygen (see char and biochar).

Charcoal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[SkyWriting]

Those miracles did not leave evidence behind that strongly implies that they didnt happen

Yes. That's why they are called miracles.
A man without sight does not just grow eyes in an afternoon.

 

[homohabilis117]

I don't have evidence for any miracles mentioned in scripture.

1. 
   . Born to a virgin - Miracles of Jesus
   . Changing water into wine - Miracles of Jesus
   . Healing of the royal official's son - Miracles of Jesus
   . Healing of the Capernaum demoniac - Miracles of Jesus
   . Healing of Peter's mother-in-law - Miracles of Jesus
   . Healing the sick during the evening - Miracles of Jesus
   . Catching a large number of fish - Miracles of Jesus
   . Healing a leper - Miracles of Jesus
   . Miracle of healing a centurion's servant - Miracles of Jesus
   Healing a paralyzed man - Miracles of Jesus
   Healing a withered hand - Miracles of Jesus
   . Raising a widow's son - Miracles of Jesus
   . Calming the storm - Miracles of Jesus
   . Healing the Gerasene man possessed by demons - Miracles of Jesus
   . Healing a woman with internal bleeding - Miracles of Jesus
   . Raising Jairus' daughter - Miracles of Jesus
   . Healing two blind men - Miracles of Jesus

None of these miracles claim to have changed the physical world in any significant way. They are not contradicted by direct observation of the physical world, while the flood is.

 

[SkyWriting]

None of these miracles claim to have changed the physical world in any significant way.

People have said the world was changed. The scriptures say nothing about the
physical world changing. It relates that LIFE was changed.