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Can Christians go to hell?

Discussion in 'Salvation (Soteriology)' started by ChristianSwede, Aug 8, 2016.

  1. Marvin Knox

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    The simple and correct answer is "NO".

    Believers are the bride of Christ and part of Christ's body. Believers are one with Him - sealed with the Spirit of promise, raised up, seated with Him in the heavens and ruling in the Kingdom of God with Him even now.

    The resurrected and glorified Son of God will not be spending eternity in Hell.

    Now if you are asking if believers can be removed from their position in the body of Christ and then be cast to Hell - that's a horse of a different color.

    But the simple and correct answer to that question is also "NO".

    Believers have passed from death to life and will never again come into condemnation. Jesus said so.

    Spending eternity in Hell is condemnation. Therefore the answer to the question is as simple as reading the scriptures and believing them.

    Do you have faith in Jesus Christ to keep what you have entrusted to Him against the day of judgment or do you not.

    If you do - you have faith. If you do not - you do not have faith.
     
  2. ChristianSwede

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    I think those that live as Jesus Christ lived or atleast 51% as he lived are those that will have eternal life. I do not know what will happen to those that believe but do not live as Jesus Christ did. God knows
     
  3. OzSpen

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    What makes greed a 'big sin'?

    What is your understanding of the meaning of Rom 5:1 (ESV): 'Therefore, since we have been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ'?

    Oz
     
  4. OzSpen

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    How did you become a Christian? Are you sure you are a Christian? What is this 51% factor? How do I determine that I live 51% as well as Jesus did?
     
  5. ChristianSwede

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    Hi, I became Christian because I had a vision of the Holy Spirit and Christians told me they also had the Holy Spirit so I wanted to have it too. I do not think there is a way to know if you are walking in the light or not.
     
  6. ChristianSwede

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    I interprent that as meaning that those who believe with actions and deeds in Jesus Christ are those who have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ. Those that do alot of big sins but say they have belief are not really believers.
     
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  7. Linet Kihonge

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    Hebrews 4
    [Therefore since it still remains for some to enter that rest, and since those who formerly had the good news proclaimed to them did not go in because of their disobedience, God again set a certain day, calling it “Today.” This he did when a long time later he spoke through David, as in the passage already quoted:

    “Today, if you hear his voice,

    do not harden your hearts.”

    For if Joshua had given them rest, God would not have spoken later about another day. There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from their works,e just as God did from his. Let us, therefore, make every effort to enter that rest, so that no one will perish by following their example of disobedience.]

    Our work on earth wasn't done when the LORD paid for all our sins, we still have the task of observing all the commandments and hearkening to his Spirit of truth all the time. After all, the world belongs to, you know .... so we haven't finished the war, we're always battling to keep up to the narrow path, we fight to keep from the voice of false illusions, we fight to make sure we're on his Road. So until then a Christian is on a very thin coin because we have the obligation to obey not the option to decide if to or not to! :/
     
  8. bookofjade

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    There's a hell!

    Oh boy I'm in deep bleeep! I better get some fire insurance then.

    Now to the question

    Only God knows such things, because it comes down to the heart. God only knows the heart and he's not telling anyone who's going up and down, it's decided on judgment.
     
  9. DingDing

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    Not to worry, many churches are having a free give-away on fire insurance.
     
  10. bookofjade

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    I'll remember to bring lots of chicken salt.
     
  11. OzSpen

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    In fact, that's not what Romans 5:1 (ESV) states at all. It reads, 'Therefore, since we have been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ'.

    To be 'justified by faith' is a forensic action by God to declare a person righteous before God. It has nothing to do with believing with actions and deeds in Jesus Christ. Of course actions will follow for those who are genuinely justified by faith. However, justification by faith has nothing to do with my believing. It has everything to do with God declaring me righteous (a forensic action - like in a law court) to enter His presence.

    For a further explanation, read: Why is justification by faith such an important doctrine?

    Oz
     
  12. OzSpen

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    So the Gospel of salvation was not proclaimed to you in conversation or by preaching?
     
  13. Bible Highlighter

    Bible Highlighter Law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul. Supporter

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    The grace of God teaches us to deny ungodliness (Titus 2:12).
    Seeing the grace of God is a part of the gospel, then denying ungodliness is a part of that message (obviously).
    For did not Jesus tell us to repent and believe the gospel? (Mark 1:15).

    Was not the beginning of the gospel involving the confessing and forsaking of sin?

    1 "The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God;
    2 As it is written in the prophets, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee.
    3 The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.
    4 John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.
    5 And there went out unto him all the land of Judaea, and they of Jerusalem, and were all baptized of him in the river of Jordan, confessing their sins."

    How is true repentance defined?

    Jesus says this,

    28 "But what think you? A certain man had two sons; and he came to the first, and said, Son, go work today in my vineyard.
    29 He answered and said, I will not: but afterward he repented, and went.
    30 And he came to the second, and said likewise. And he answered and said, I go, sir: and went not
    31 Which of the two did the will of his father? They said unto him, The first. Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That the tax collectors and the harlots go into the kingdom of God before you.
    32 For John came unto you in the way of righteousness, and you believed him not: but the tax collectors and the harlots believed him: and you, when you had seen it, repented not afterward, that you might believe him."
    (Matthew 21:28-32).


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  14. ChristianSwede

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    No I knew something about the Gospel and I found it beatiful.
     
  15. ChristianSwede

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    I think if you live in light then you are showing thru your will that you want to believe.

    Matt 10:39 and anyone who does not take up his cross and follow Me is not worthy of Me. 39Whoever finds his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life for My sake will find it. 40He who receives you receives Me, and he who receives Me receives the One who sent Me.…
     
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  16. sdowney717

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    Ah, yes, but do not leave out the critical part as it says
    Hebrews 3
    3 For we who have believed enter that rest, as he has said,

    And this too
    10 for whoever has entered God's rest has also rested from his works as God did from his.

    So be therefore rested from your works and rest in His works! For you are His workmanship created in Christ Jesus.

    Ephesians 2

    10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.

    About our new life in Christ,
    Ephesians 4

    The New Life
    17 Now this I say and testify in the Lord, that you must no longer walk as the Gentiles do, in the futility of their minds.
    18 They are darkened in their understanding, alienated from the life of God because of the ignorance that is in them, due to their hardness of heart.
    19 They have become callous and have given themselves up to sensuality, greedy to practice every kind of impurity.
    20 But that is not the way you learned Christ!—
    21 assuming that you have heard about him and were taught in him, as the truth is in Jesus,
    22 to put off your old self, which belongs to your former manner of life and is corrupt through deceitful desires,
    23 and to be renewed in the spirit of your minds,
    24 and to put on the new self, created after the likeness of God in true righteousness and holiness.
     
  17. OzSpen

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    What did you know about the Gospel?
     
  18. OzSpen

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    You are not answering what I wrote about the meaning of Romans 5:1. To be justified by faith, the foundation stone of the Reformation, is not what you are saying.
     
  19. EmSw

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    So sdowney, do we rest from our works, or do we walk in them?

    Unfortunately, many only read verse 24, but even that says WE put on the new man.
    Many fail to read verse 22, which comes before verse 24. Before putting on the new man, we are to put off our old self. How many do that?
     
  20. sdowney717

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    Hard to say how many do or do not. But this is something that we are told to do, so then obviously it is something we might not be doing.

    Also it is said about the outward versus the inward man this, that they belong to the family of God which family has members on earth and in heaven.

    Ephesians 3

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    14 For this reason I bow my knees to the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,
    15 from whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named,
    16 that He would grant you, according to the riches of His glory, to be strengthened with might through His Spirit in the inner man,
    17 that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith; that you, being rooted and grounded in love,
    18 may be able to comprehend with all the saints what is the width and length and depth and height—
    19 to know the love of Christ which passes knowledge; that you may be filled with all the fullness of God.
    20 Now to Him who is able to do exceedingly abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that works in us,
    21 to Him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus to all generations, forever and ever. Amen.

    The inner man is that man born of the Spirit of God, to whom when we flee the tent of this body we will go and be with in Heaven.
    The outer man is that man of the flesh and body, that outer man which is perishing day by day due to sin.
    But the inner man created of God's Spirit is renewed day by day and is free from sin. If the Son makes you free well then you are truly free and no longer a slave to sin in the inner man. If Christ frees you from sin, then you must have been born again regenerated made a new creation in Christ, and that right now involves only the inner man of the Spirit and not the outward man of the flesh which is awaiting the resurrection age to come..

    The body is dead due to sin, recall all the way back to Adam and Eve in the garden, but the spirit is alive, is life according to righteousness, and we get that gift due to Christ, since all who believe in the Son, the promise of God is that they would not perish but have age enduring eternal life. John 3:16.
    The first part of a person redeemed is the spirit of man, then later on the natural, the body is redeemed when we are given glorified bodies in the age of the resurrection.

    In Romans 8 speaking of those who belong to Christ it is taught

    9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His. 10 And if Christ is in you, the body is dead because of sin, but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. 11 But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you.

    So then His life overflows from His Spirit into our own spirits giving us life and He will even strengthen our dying bodies according of course to His will.

    2 Corinthians 4:16 King James Version (KJV)
    16 For which cause we faint not; but though our outward man perish, yet the inward man is renewed day by day.

    About the resurrection to come,

    The natural body is first, then the spiritual body second. We are born into the world and we must afterwards be born again into God's kingdom to enter that kingdom, we must be born from above again.

    "46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual."
    There is a natural body and there is a spiritual body. We will bear the image of both, each in its proper order.


    1 Cor 15
    42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:

    43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:

    44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

    45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

    46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

    47 The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven.

    48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.

    49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

    50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

    51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

    52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

    53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

    54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

    55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?

    56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.

    57 But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

    58 Therefore, my beloved brethren, be ye stedfast, unmoveable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, forasmuch as ye know that your labour is not in vain in the Lord.
     
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