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Discussion in 'Debates on Abortion' started by (° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ), May 20, 2019.

  1. JacksBratt

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    People are not dogs. They don't get Spayed or neutered.

    I am learning so much about you....
     
  2. JacksBratt

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    So, if you were in a coma... we could stab you and cut you into pieces? And it would not be murder?
     
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  3. JacksBratt

    JacksBratt Searching for Truth

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    Why does the fetus not have the same rights as a one day, one month or one year old?
     
  4. Nige55

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    Sorry, this is not the full picture at all. Comfortably over 90% of abortions are elective. To try to claim that pro-choice people simply "know it is immoral to force rape victims......etc etc" discounts the absolute, overwhelming majority who fight for the 'right' to choose purely out of convenience.
     
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  5. Nige55

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    You don't know why ? Really ??!! Ever heard phrases such 'it's a womans' choice', 'none of mens' business', etc. I'm not assuming anything, we ARE being dictated to.
     
  6. Nige55

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    A Christian, by way of what their faith teaches actually should want for their values to lead law in a country, as they believe them to be God's perfect laws. It's dangerous for a country NOT to follow them !

    Btw, it's not true at all. There are many pro lifers who are not Christians, and see taking that babies life as murder.
    It's funny that proclaiming faith is ok when it come to thou shalt not murder, but that same faith is rejected when it's an issue that doesn't sit well with some (and for that some, it's 90%+ out of inconvenience).
     
  7. Nige55

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    What are those 'few', if clearly the right to life is not one of them ? I'm curious.
     
  8. ChristianForCats

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    The Roe vs. Wade decision only allows abortion up to viability.

    And if you were brain dead, people would have the right to kill you.
     
  9. ChristianForCats

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    Partial birth is one way. There also is a legal abortion drug.
     
  10. ChristianForCats

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    If I was in a coma all medical staff would do is unhook tubes and machines. You have no analogy.
     
  11. Davidnic

    Davidnic Well-Known Member Staff Member Site Advisor Supporter

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    Also there's an induced medical coma for certain procedures where you know when the person will wake up. If viability without machines was the condition then that person while in that induced medical coma lacks their rights.

    For a baby with a due date the induced medical coma is a direct analogy for the argument of viability.

    The only difference is the person in the coma has already been born. So to refute that we go back to the already disproven birth is the point where humanity and human rights begin. Because it's an arbitrary point.

    Back again to the fact that you must have a non arbitrary point.

    Plus the already been born argument has been refuted in the pro-choice argument itself by saying that someone has the right to remove machines.
     
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  12. ChristianForCats

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    Yes they do. Look up ovariohysterectomy anc castration.
     
  13. Davidnic

    Davidnic Well-Known Member Staff Member Site Advisor Supporter

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    I think you mean vasectomy, humans generally don't get voluntarily castrated anymore.
     
  14. ChristianForCats

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    I never said it is the full picture. Abortion just for convenience is wrong. That does not mean abortion ban laws should lack exceptions for rape and incest.
     
  15. ChristianForCats

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    No, I meant castration.

    People just don't want to be compared to cats.
     
  16. ChristianForCats

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    I am done with this topic if people want to describe abortion as treating babies like they are pet food.
     
  17. parousia70

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    Care to elaborate?...or Is that all you got?
     
  18. Davidnic

    Davidnic Well-Known Member Staff Member Site Advisor Supporter

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    People generally don't get voluntarily castrated the removal of the testes. They do get a vasectomy the restriction of the vas deferens.

    Two distinctly different medical procedures
     
  19. parousia70

    parousia70 I'm livin' in yesterday's tomorrow Supporter

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    Ahhh... IC

    Touching article, but it contains Several logical fallacies and false comparisons.
    False comparison #1
    This seems to indicate this "process" happens immaculately, with the woman producing the offspring all by herself... that it "just happens naturally".

    False comparison #2
    Again, indicating the Baby just spontaneously showed up, developed solely out of the woman's body alone... no indication that the trespasser was "put there" by the actions of anyone else...

    #3
    Rather a more accurate parallel would be the Violinist orchestrated (no pun intended) the abduction of the woman against her will and she woke up and fought back with lethal force, which would be totally justified.

    Shall I go on?
     
  20. Davidnic

    Davidnic Well-Known Member Staff Member Site Advisor Supporter

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    I'm sorry I thought since you're engaging in this debate you would be aware of one of the top arguments. One that's been linked to already in the thread.

    Unstringing the Violinist | Stand to Reason
     
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