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Can a Muslim or a Jew get saved?

Discussion in 'St. Justin Martyr's Corner: Debate an Orthodox Chr' started by Not David, Feb 13, 2019.

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  1. Not David

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    Obviously we don't know who is saved or not; however; what would make either of them get a chance?
     
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    Handmaid for Jesus You can't steal my joy Supporter

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    All anyone needs to do is
    Romans 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

    10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

    11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
     
  3. ArmyMatt

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    to the OP, God's love for them
     
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  4. Not David

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    I'm talking about the ones who didn't get a chance before dying.
     
  5. Not David

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    I'm just curious since some say the wouldn't get saved by Christ that way.
     
  6. ArmyMatt

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    well, that's between God and them
     
  7. Handmaid for Jesus

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    One cannot confess after one is dead.
     
  8. TuxAme

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    This is the Orthodox forum, so I'm guessing that the OP is looking for the Orthodox view, not a protestant one (and since this is St. Justin's, they may want to debate it themselves).
     
  9. HTacianas

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    The same as anyone else.
     
  10. Not David

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    Anyone can debate here
     
  11. Not David

    Not David Der Romisch Katechumene

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    How?
     
  12. Not David

    Not David Der Romisch Katechumene

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    Yes, one can.
     
  13. Hazelelponi

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    He's asking about a practicing Muslim who doesn't believe in Jesus for salvation... who dies without accepting Christ.

    Curious if you all teach universal salvation here. The OP doesn't know - apparently.
     
  14. Not David

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    Universalism breaks free will.
     
  15. Tree of Life

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    The only chance is if Jesus died to save them.
     
  16. Monk Brendan

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    Anyone who is saved is saved by Jesus.

    God also said, "I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy."

    There is a Hindu man in India who goes to street people, feeding them, washing them, dressing their wounds, and doing the other corporeal works of mercy in Matthew 25. As St. Paul says, he is following the law of God written on his heart.

    If my neighbor in my mansion is a Hindu, Jew, or Muslim, I will praise God for His mercy.

    Hazelponi, NOWHERE does the Bible say "accept Christ."
     
  17. Hazelelponi

    Hazelelponi Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Read Romans

    It says believe in Him and confess with your tongue His Lordship for salvation.

    Elsewhere it says to believe, confess and be baptised for salvation.

    When you do none of the above it would seem according to the Bible salvation would be outside ones reach.

    At any rate I'll leave you all to it. I was curious what you teach since the OP didn't seem to understand salvation, as he was thinking an unbelieving, unsaved, unbaptised Muslim goes to heaven when they die.

    At least I see where he's getting it from.
     
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  18. rnmomof7

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    No, they deny the triune God of the scripture, they deny the divinity of Christ ...
     
  19. ArmyMatt

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    I know. and no we don't teach universalism.

    Christ preached to those who died in the Flood (the worst generation ever). so while we do not say a practing Muslim is guaranteed salvation, we also don't deny that he might be saved, since only God can see the heart. it could very well be at death that many will be saved. it's not my job to pry into what is only known to God.
     
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  20. ArmyMatt

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    it says more than that.
     
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