Can a Christian lose his/her salvation?

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Before this question is answered, the term “Christian” must be defined. A “Christian” is not a person who has said a prayer, or walked down an aisle, or been raised in a Christian family. While each of these things can be a part of the Christian experience, they are not what “makes” a Christian. A Christian is a person who has, by faith, received and fully trusted in Jesus Christ as the only Savior (John 3:16; Acts 16:31; Ephesians 2:8-9).

So, with this definition in mind, can a Christian lose salvation? Perhaps the best way to answer this crucially important question is to examine what the Bible says occurs at salvation, and to study what losing salvation would therefore entail. Here are a few examples:

A Christian is a new creation. “Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; the old has gone, the new has come!” (2 Corinthians 5:17). This verse speaks of a person becoming an entirely new creature as a result of being “in Christ.” For a Christian to lose salvation, the new creation would have to be canceled and reversed.

A Christian is redeemed. “For you know that it was not with perishable things such as silver or gold that you were redeemed from the empty way of life handed down to you from your forefathers, but with the precious blood of Christ, a lamb without blemish or defect” (1 Peter 1:18-19). The word “redeemed” refers to a purchase being made, a price being paid. For a Christian to lose salvation, God Himself would have to revoke His purchase that He paid for with the precious blood of Christ.

A Christian is justified. “Therefore, since we have been justified through faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ” (Romans 5:1). To “justify” means to “declare righteous.” All those who receive Jesus as Savior are “declared righteous” by God. For a Christian to lose salvation, God would have to go back on His Word and “un-declare” what He had previously declared.

A Christian is promised eternal life. “For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life” (John 3:16). Eternal life is a promise of eternity (forever) in heaven with God. God promises, “Believe and you will have eternal life.” For a Christian to lose salvation, eternal life would have to be taken away. If a Christian is promised to live forever, how then can God break this promise by taking away eternal life?

A Christian is guaranteed glorification. “And those he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified; those he justified, he also glorified” (Romans 8:30). As we learned in Romans 5:1, justification is declared at the moment of faith. According to Romans 8:30, glorification is guaranteed for all those whom God justifies. Glorification refers to a Christian receiving a perfect resurrection body in heaven. If a Christian can lose salvation, then Romans 8:30 is in error, because God could not guarantee glorification for all those whom He predestines, calls, and justifies.

Many more illustrations of what occurs at salvation could be shared. Even these few make it abundantly clear that a Christian cannot lose salvation. Most, if not all, of what the Bible says happens to us when we receive Jesus Christ as Savior would be invalidated if salvation could be lost. Salvation cannot be reversed. A Christian cannot be un-newly created. Redemption cannot be undone. Eternal life cannot be lost and still be considered eternal. If a Christian can lose salvation, God would have to go back on His Word and change His mind—two things that Scripture tells us God never does.

The most frequent objections to the belief that a Christian cannot lose salvation are 1) What about those who are Christians and continually live an immoral lifestyle? 2) What about those who are Christians but later reject the faith and deny Christ? The problem with these two objections is the phrase “who are Christians.” The Bible declares that a true Christian will not live a continually immoral lifestyle (1 John 3:6). The Bible declares that anyone who departs the faith is demonstrating that he never truly was a Christian (1 John 2:19). Therefore, neither objection is valid. Christians do not continually live immoral lifestyles, nor do they reject the faith and deny Christ. Such actions are proof that they were never redeemed.

No, a Christian cannot lose salvation. Nothing can separate a Christian from God’s love (Romans 8:38-39). Nothing can remove a Christian from God’s hand (John 10:28-29). God is both willing and able to guarantee and maintain the salvation He has given us. Jude 24-25, “To Him who is able to keep you from falling and to present you before his glorious presence without fault and with great joy—to the only God our Savior be glory, majesty, power and authority, through Jesus Christ our Lord, before all ages, now and forevermore! Amen.”


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Quasa92

Sorry, this is simply not true.
Here are a list of verses that makes it absolutely clear that believers can fall away from the faith.

1 Samuel 16:14
1 Samuel 31:4
Ezekiel 18:24
Hebrews 3:12-14
Hebrews 4:11
Hebrews 6:4-9
Hebrews 10:26-30
Hebrews 12:15
1 Timothy 1:18-20
1 Timothy 4:1-7
Galatians 3:1-5
2 Peter 2:20-22
2 Peter 3:17
Matthew 13:18-23
1 Corinthians 10:12
2 Thessalonians 2:3

Now, do not misunderstand me, believers cannot lose their salvation (in the sense of like how one would misplace one's car keys), but they can forfeit their salvation (i.e. they can willingly throw it away by rebelling against God). In fact,

Here is a list of believers who have forfeited their salvation:

• Saul (1 Samuel 16:14) (1 Samuel 31:4)

• Demas (2 Timothy 4:10)

• The Prodigal Son (Luke 15:11-32)

• Judas Iscariot (Psalm 41:9) (Luke 6:16) (Acts 1:25)

• Hymenaeus and Philetus (2 Timothy 2:17, 18)

• Unnamed Christians destroyed by false teaching (2 Timothy 2:17, 18)

• Many Unnamed Disciples (John 6:66)

• Some Younger Christian Widows (1 Timothy 5:14, 15)

• Some Christians Eager For Money (1 Timothy 6:8, 9, 10)

• Ananias and Sapphira (Acts 5:1-11)

• Balaam (Numbers 22, Numbers 23, Numbers 24) (Numbers 31:8) (Joshua 13:22) (Jude 1:11)

And here is a list of potential fallen believers:

• The Servant Who is Not Looking For Him (Luke 12:45, 46)

• Recent Convert Who is a Potential Spiritual Leader (1 Timothy 3:6)

• The Unforgiving in Heart (Matthew 6:14, 15)

• Luke Warm Unrepentant Believer (Revelation 3:14-22)

• Fruitless Christians (John 15:1-10) (Matthew 25:14-30)

• Widows That Live in Pleasure (1 Timothy 5:5, 6)

• Believers Whose Seed Fell Upon the Rocks (Luke 8:13)

• Believers Whose Seed Was Choked by Thorns (Matthew 13:22)

• Gentile Believer Who Did Not Have on a Wedding Garment (Matthew 22:1-14) (Revelation 19:7, 8)

• The Potential Fellow Believer Who Erred From the Truth & Was Converted Back
  (James 5:19, 20)

For Jesus is the Light and we are to shine the Light of Christ within our lives. For there are those who think they can serve Jesus and also live for oneself, sin, and evil; But this is wrong, though. "For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God" (John 3:20-21).


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Calvinists believe there is no free will in regards to accepting Christ. Non-Calvinistic Eternal Security Proponents believe there is no free will after salvation (because a believer is forever forced with the decision in being saved after coming to the faith). In other words, this is "forced salvation" which runs contrary to what "true love" is all about. For we know that "true love" exists when two people BOTH agree to love each other. If the other person forces the other person to love them, then it is not real.

Forced Love:



In other words, if you believe in "Eternal Security" or "OSAS" (Once Saved Always Saved) you believe God saves you and that there is nothing you could ever do that could jeopardize your standing with Him. That once you accept God, you are then forced into a relationship that you can't break out of. You are trapped. Your free will is no longer. You can't leave. Once you check in, you can't check out. God has forced His love upon you because of your one choice to believe in Him for your salvation.

Such a notion sounds absolutely ridiculous. But this is what you must believe if your a proponent of "Eternal Security". I mean, have you ever watched one of those movies about a girl who had a crush on a guy, which quickly turned into a forceful or twisted relationship? You know, the movie where boy meets girl, but the boy loses interest, yet the girl doesn't and therefore she forces her love upon him. So things get pretty dark and twisted. This is exactly what proponents of "Eternal Security" have done with God. They have made God out to be this woman who had forced her love upon a man who didn't want her love anymore.

In fact, do you remember the story of David and Bathsheba? David wanted to keep the forbidden love of another man's wife. So he forced a relationship of what he believed to be love by killing her husband (Uriah) so he could be with her in the way that he wanted (or loved). Veritably, there is no doubt in my mind that David might have even loved Bathsheba. However, it was not a love that was his. So David tried to force love in a way that was not natural or good (by permanently eliminating the will of another) (2 Samuel 11:1-27). For that is exactly what "Eternal Security" does. It sets up a loving relationship as if it was something that had to be forced. That once you are saved, you are always saved (no matter what you do or even if you change your mind). Such a notion goes against all logic of what we know about free will and true love.


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Sin is basically your choice to say you do not love God. Seeing we know believers can sin, we have to conclude we have free will still and that God is not forcing us into a love relationship or mind wiping us to be love slaves or anything silly like that. So seeing we have free will, we can turn away from God and go to an unsaved state again after living holy.

I mean, have you ever read the verse in Ezekiel 18?

It says,

"But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die." (Ezekiel 18:24).

Also, in the Parable of the Prodigal Son, when the son came back from living a life of sin (i.e. when he went prodigal), his father said that his son was dead and is now alive again two times. This is speaking in spiritual terms of course. The son was dead spiritually while he was living a life of sin.

I mean, stop and think for a moment.
Are not all babies saved by Christ's sacrifice?
If you say yes, then what separates them from God when they grow up?
It is their sin of course.
Why does one think sin does not separate a man from God after they become a believer is not consistent thinking. Even in the Garden of Eden, we learn that just one sin was enough to separate man from God.

The devil said to Eve, "Yea, ye shall not surely die." (Genesis 3:4).
Yet, this lie is being bought hook line and sinker today.

God does not force regenerate you to be a certain way.
Jesus desired Jerusalem to be saved, but they would not allow Christ to do so.

""O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the city that kills the prophets and stones God's messengers! How often I have wanted to gather your children together as a hen protects her chicks beneath her wings, but you wouldn't let me." (Matthew 23:37 NLT).

We are told to CONTINUE in the grace of God.

"Now when the congregation was broken up, many of the Jews and religious proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas: who, speaking to them, persuaded them to continue in the grace of God." (Acts 13:43).

Why does Scripture tell me to continue in the grace of God if it is something that I am automatically going to just do as a part of some kind of "forced regeneration"?

It doesn't make any sense.


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[Quasar92]

Sorry, this is simply not true.
Here are a list of verses that makes it absolutely clear that believers can fall away from the faith.

1 Samuel 16:14
1 Samuel 31:4
Ezekiel 18:24
Hebrews 3:12-14
Hebrews 4:11
Hebrews 6:4-9
Hebrews 10:26-30
Hebrews 12:15
1 Timothy 1:18-20
1 Timothy 4:1-7
Galatians 3:1-5
2 Peter 2:20-22
2 Peter 3:17
Matthew 13:18-23
1 Corinthians 10:12
2 Thessalonians 2:3

Now, do not misunderstand me, believers cannot lose their salvation (in the sense of like how one would misplace one's car keys), but they can forfeit their salvation (i.e. they can willingly throw it away by rebelling against God). In fact,

Here is a list of believers who have forfeited their salvation:

• Saul (1 Samuel 16:14) (1 Samuel 31:4)

• Demas (2 Timothy 4:10)

• The Prodigal Son (Luke 15:11-32)

• Judas Iscariot (Psalm 41:9) (Luke 6:16) (Acts 1:25)

• Hymenaeus and Philetus (2 Timothy 2:17, 18)

• Unnamed Christians destroyed by false teaching (2 Timothy 2:17, 18)

• Many Unnamed Disciples (John 6:66)

• Some Younger Christian Widows (1 Timothy 5:14, 15)

• Some Christians Eager For Money (1 Timothy 6:8, 9, 10)

• Ananias and Sapphira (Acts 5:1-11)

• Balaam (Numbers 22, Numbers 23, Numbers 24) (Numbers 31:8) (Joshua 13:22) (Jude 1:11)

And here is a list of potential fallen believers:

• The Servant Who is Not Looking For Him (Luke 12:45, 46)

• Recent Convert Who is a Potential Spiritual Leader (1 Timothy 3:6)

• The Unforgiving in Heart (Matthew 6:14, 15)

• Luke Warm Unrepentant Believer (Revelation 3:14-22)

• Fruitless Christians (John 15:1-10) (Matthew 25:14-30)

• Widows That Live in Pleasure (1 Timothy 5:5, 6)

• Believers Whose Seed Fell Upon the Rocks (Luke 8:13)

• Believers Whose Seed Was Choked by Thorns (Matthew 13:22)

• Gentile Believer Who Did Not Have on a Wedding Garment (Matthew 22:1-14) (Revelation 19:7, 8)

• The Potential Fellow Believer Who Erred From the Truth & Was Converted Back
  (James 5:19, 20)

For Jesus is the Light and we are to shine the Light of Christ within our lives. For there are those who think they can serve Jesus and also live for oneself, sin, and evil; But this is wrong, though. "For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God" (John 3:20-21).


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A careful review of the study you have made to try proving there is no such thing as eternal security, will eliminate all OT listings as well as a large number of NT listings. In the case of the NT listings, because they lacked sufficent faith to support their belief, such as recorded in Heb.4:2, as well as those who were never born again Christians in the first place.


Quasar92

 

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God created mankind with "free will" so that he is capable of exhibiting "true love" towards God. For "true love" is always by choice and is never forced. In fact, to illustrate this point, here is an example from a comic book story line about an almost God like entity or villain called the "Beyonder" letting a super heroine named "Dazzler" free from his powerful spell of forced love.

"Secret Wars 2:"
Secret Wars II - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Bible Highlighter]

A careful review of the study you have made to try proving there is no such thing as eternal security, will eliminate all OT listings as well as a large number of NT listings. In the case of the NT listings, because they lacked sufficent faith to support their belief, such as recorded in Heb.4:2, as well as those who were never born again Christians in the first place.


Quasar92

What is your take on free will of the believer?
Does a believer have free will after they accept Christ?
Or does God only regenerate those He knows will be faithful to Him?
What would be the point in giving us commands within His Word and warnings if God knew were going to be faithful? It doesn't add up.

If you were to skip back a chapter in Hebrews, it says this,

"But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin." (Hebrews 3:13).

Why tell me as a believer to not harden my heart by the deceitfulness of sin if such a thing were not possible?

It says in verse 14,

"For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;." (Hebrews 3:14).

In verse 14, it does not say, we are made partakers of Christ because God regenerated us and or elected us to be love slaves to His will to do good works. It says we are made partakers of Christ IF.... IF....IF we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end.

Verse 12 says,

"Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God." (Hebrews 3:12).

How can I depart from the living God if such a thing were not possible?
Again, it just seems like you are not wanting to see these kinds of verses.


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[Gabriel Anton]

Before this question is answered, the term “Christian” must be defined. A “Christian” is not a person who has said a prayer, or walked down an aisle, or been raised in a Christian family. While each of these things can be a part of the Christian experience, they are not what “makes” a Christian. A Christian is a person who has, by faith, received and fully trusted in Jesus Christ as the only Savior (John 3:16; Acts 16:31; Ephesians 2:8-9).

So, with this definition in mind, can a Christian lose salvation? Perhaps the best way to answer this crucially important question is to examine what the Bible says occurs at salvation, and to study what losing salvation would therefore entail. Here are a few examples:

A Christian is a new creation. “Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; the old has gone, the new has come!” (2 Corinthians 5:17). This verse speaks of a person becoming an entirely new creature as a result of being “in Christ.” For a Christian to lose salvation, the new creation would have to be canceled and reversed.

A Christian is redeemed. “For you know that it was not with perishable things such as silver or gold that you were redeemed from the empty way of life handed down to you from your forefathers, but with the precious blood of Christ, a lamb without blemish or defect” (1 Peter 1:18-19). The word “redeemed” refers to a purchase being made, a price being paid. For a Christian to lose salvation, God Himself would have to revoke His purchase that He paid for with the precious blood of Christ.

A Christian is justified. “Therefore, since we have been justified through faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ” (Romans 5:1). To “justify” means to “declare righteous.” All those who receive Jesus as Savior are “declared righteous” by God. For a Christian to lose salvation, God would have to go back on His Word and “un-declare” what He had previously declared.

A Christian is promised eternal life. “For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life” (John 3:16). Eternal life is a promise of eternity (forever) in heaven with God. God promises, “Believe and you will have eternal life.” For a Christian to lose salvation, eternal life would have to be taken away. If a Christian is promised to live forever, how then can God break this promise by taking away eternal life?

A Christian is guaranteed glorification. “And those he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified; those he justified, he also glorified” (Romans 8:30). As we learned in Romans 5:1, justification is declared at the moment of faith. According to Romans 8:30, glorification is guaranteed for all those whom God justifies. Glorification refers to a Christian receiving a perfect resurrection body in heaven. If a Christian can lose salvation, then Romans 8:30 is in error, because God could not guarantee glorification for all those whom He predestines, calls, and justifies.

Many more illustrations of what occurs at salvation could be shared. Even these few make it abundantly clear that a Christian cannot lose salvation. Most, if not all, of what the Bible says happens to us when we receive Jesus Christ as Savior would be invalidated if salvation could be lost. Salvation cannot be reversed. A Christian cannot be un-newly created. Redemption cannot be undone. Eternal life cannot be lost and still be considered eternal. If a Christian can lose salvation, God would have to go back on His Word and change His mind—two things that Scripture tells us God never does.

The most frequent objections to the belief that a Christian cannot lose salvation are 1) What about those who are Christians and continually live an immoral lifestyle? 2) What about those who are Christians but later reject the faith and deny Christ? The problem with these two objections is the phrase “who are Christians.” The Bible declares that a true Christian will not live a continually immoral lifestyle (1 John 3:6). The Bible declares that anyone who departs the faith is demonstrating that he never truly was a Christian (1 John 2:19). Therefore, neither objection is valid. Christians do not continually live immoral lifestyles, nor do they reject the faith and deny Christ. Such actions are proof that they were never redeemed.

No, a Christian cannot lose salvation. Nothing can separate a Christian from God’s love (Romans 8:38-39). Nothing can remove a Christian from God’s hand (John 10:28-29). God is both willing and able to guarantee and maintain the salvation He has given us. Jude 24-25, “To Him who is able to keep you from falling and to present you before his glorious presence without fault and with great joy—to the only God our Savior be glory, majesty, power and authority, through Jesus Christ our Lord, before all ages, now and forevermore! Amen.”


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Quasa92

Peace be with you.

Your Salvation theory theology sounds great.

The only problem lies with:

God will judge you for your deeds whether good or bad.

You will need to wait for death to occur to find out the validity of your Salvation theory theology.

There is no need to judge yourself saved. God will judge for you after death.

It is an automatic procedure we all go through.

God bless you.

 

[ChristianIssues]

That's not what the verse says.

That is exactly what the verses say.

 

[ChristianIssues]

Is your incredulity supposed to serve as an argument?

Yes, it is.

 

[ChristianIssues]

The fact of the matter is, my dear Mick, not one soul went to heaven until after Jesus shed His blood and died on a cross, ascended into heaven, together with the arrival of the Holy Spirit at Pentecost. Then, the New Covenant went into effect, and any believer who died in Christ, either before or after that, went to be with Jesus in heaven, as recorded in 2 Cor.5:6-8, confirming Ecc.12:7 Quasar92.

Amen, I sure agree but how does that lead you to believe that we can discard everything Jesus said before His resurrection? All of it is just for the Jews because it is before the New Covenant came into effect!?!

 

[Karl.C]

I don't look in this instance to a dictionary to define what the Bible means by repentance. The word is used most frequently in Scripture to refer to God choosing a course different from the one He was pursuing. Here's an example from the KJV:

Exodus 32:14
14 And the LORD repented of the evil which he thought to do unto his people.

And from the NKJV:

Exodus 32:14
14 So the Lord relented from the harm which He said He would do to His people.

And from the NASB:

Exodus 32:14
14 So the Lord changed His mind about the harm which He said He would do to His people.

I think the NASB best renders the word appearing as "repented" in the KJV in Exodus 32:14: God changed His mind. He was purposing to do x and decided instead to do y. This happens over and over again in the OT (Jdg. 2:18; 1 Sam. 15:35; 2 Sam. 24:16; 1 Chr. 21:15; Ps. 106:45; Am. 7:3, etc.) Is God feeling regret or remorse over sin when He repents? Of course not! As the NASB correctly describes it, when God "repented" He simply changed His mind. This is the heart of repentance. It is not merely feeling regret or remorse about one's sin.

I agree with you that "flip-flopiness" is not repentance. One has not truly had a change of mind about something if they are still going back and forth inwardly about their thinking on it.

In the NT "metanoeō" (repent) is used 34 times, according to Strong's lexicon its meaning is more than just a change of mind, it encompases having complete abhorrence for past actions. If so, one can't go "oops, I did it again..."

 

[ChristianIssues]

In the NT "metanoeō" (repent) is used 34 times, according to Strong's lexicon its meaning is more than just a change of mind, it encompases having complete abhorrence for past actions. If so, one can't go "oops, I did it again..."

Amen Karl. I only just posted a short blog on the meaning of repentance. If you are interested, it can be read at What does repent mean? | Christian Issues

God bless,
Mick

 

[Karl.C]

If Lord Jesus started my salvation, He will finish it.

Hebrews 12:2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

My dad tells me that back in the 1970s during the Billy Graham crusades people would be called to the front to be saved. Then for a while people would run around asking "are you saved?" Someone did a survey about a year later. Apparently they wanted to see how far church attendance had increased. The reality is church attendance had declined and still is...

The OSAS crowd would say "well none of them were saved in the first place. The realists say "proves there is no love in the OSAS groups". Think about it!

 

[Karl.C]

The more I look at it, the more I'm convinced that lose-able salvation is a lie from Satan -- meant to embitter people with legalism and worry.

I see it the other way around. Satan wants us to be complacent. The OSAS viewpoint leads to complacency. Complacently leads to "Oops, I did it again! No worries, I'm saved!" However see Ezekiel 18...

 

[ChristianIssues]

Heb. 12:14 tells us that "without holiness no one will see the Lord". Holiness is simply repenting if and whenever we sin. All we have to do is confess our sin (1 John 1:9) whenever the Spirit convicts us (John 16:8).

Confessing sin is not difficult but, to receive forgiveness, our heart must be right. God sees our hearts and knows if we are truly repentant when we confess. If we are genuine then God will forgive us and cleanse us of all unrighteousness.

No one can say that God has made it hard for us to be saved. Jesus said that His yoke is easy and His burden light (Matt. 11:30).

 

[Handmaid for Jesus]

My dad tells me that back in the 1970s during the Billy Graham crusades people would be called to the front to be saved. Then for a while people would run around asking "are you saved?" Someone did a survey about a year later. Apparently they wanted to see how far church attendance had increased. The reality is church attendance had declined and still is...

The OSAS crowd would say "well none of them were saved in the first place. The realists say "proves there is no love in the OSAS groups". Think about it!

I can believe that. But being saved and attending "church" are not the same thing. Attending "church" does not save anyone.Neither does attending "church" prove a person is saved. There are many attended "church" who are tares. But the Church is not a building, or denomination, or a cooperate organization as some people believe Her to be. She is the Bride of Christ,His Body, bones of His bones, flesh of His flesh.
Eph.5:29 For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church:
30 For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.

I will also say His Spirit is dwelling in each child of God.

 

[TheSeabass]

Read three more verses. For Jude also said
Jude 1:24 Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy,

It is just amazing to me that people who say that Lord Jesus is the Savior and that we can't save ourselves believe that we can ,by the law, keep ourselves saved.

Verse 24 does not change Jude 1:21 in the possibility that the Christian can fall from the love of God.

Jude plainly shows the Christian has a role in his own salvation by keeping himself in the love of God. Jesus said 'if ye love Me keep my commands', (Jn 14:15) with Jesus equating love to keeping His commands. Therefore the Christian keeps himself in the love of God by keeping Christ's commands. If the Christian rebels and quits keeping Christ's commands, he becomes a disobedient law breaker who fell from the love of God.

Verse 24 those that continue to keep Christ's law, that continues to walk in the light (1 John 1:7) they will not stumble and fall. Therefore it is by keeping Christ's word that Christ is able to keep the Christian from falling. Christ does not use some mysterious supernatural way separate and apart from the word that guarantees to keep the Christian from falling regardless if the Christian keeps Christ word or not.

No one can be saved by the OT law, so that is not an issue.

 

[TheSeabass]

You added to what that verse said.

Romans 8:1 "There is therefore now no condemnation to them that are in Christ Jesus."

Not being condemned is conditional upon being in and remaining in Christ. There is condemnation outside of Christ.

What did I supposedly add to the verse?

 

[TheSeabass]

Neither in obtaining or in keeping our salvation. Great point.

it was posted "Indeed, works we are to do, AFTER we have become born again Christians. They have nothing whatever to do for us, in obtaining our salvation."

To which you replied "Neither in obtaining or in keeping our salvation. Great point."

Can anyone show an example under the NT gospel one who saved without obedient works in obeying God's commands, that is, saved while living in rebellion to God or one who remained saved while living in disobedient to God's commands?

 

[TheSeabass]

This is a well-worn topic.

The weight of supporting Scripture for the doctrine of Eternal Security of the salvation of the true Believer is superior to the out of context snippets to the contrary.

SEE:

https://www.christianforums.com/threads/losing-salvation.8010090/

https://www.christianforums.com/threads/you-can-lose-your-salvation-through-apostasy.7785433/

Can True born again BELIEVERS lose their spiritual POSITION in Christ?

Can a Christian Lose His Salvation?

Willful Sin after Salvation and Eternal Security

ETERNAL SECURITY of the salvation of True Christ-followers.

Jesus taught and practiced FORGIVENESS OF SINS to believers...NOT loss of spiritual POSITION
Mark 11: 24-25
See ALSO: Luke 6: 36-38...Jesus: Forgive, and you will be forgiven.

Jesus will never "..cast out " a true "sheep" ...believer.
John 6:35-40

Paul taught that: (NOTHING) ..."will be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord...." Romans 8:35-39

John 10...Jesus the God-Man / and the Father hold you in theis HANDS!...NOTHING can "snatch" you out!

The TRI-UNE God by Grace through Faith has saved the Souls and Spirits of all true believers:
1. shown uttermost LOVE...John 13:1
2. keeps us to Himself.....John 28:30
3. presents us faultless in heaven...Jude 24
4. makes intercession to maintain our saved relationship...Hebrews 7:25; 1 John 2:1
5. places us into the Body of Christ / indwelt by God the Holy Spirit...1 Cor. 12:13
6. seals us until the day of redemption...Ephesians 4:30

Romans 1:16
For I am not ashamed of the gospel,
for it is the power of God FOR salvation to everyone who BELIEVES, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.

Once a spirit-led BELIEVER...ALWAYS a spirit-led BELIEVER. God does not take back His Ephesian 2 GIFTS!

Ephesians 1:13
In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation — having also BELIEVED, you were SEALED in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise,

Once a SEALED BELIEVER...always a SEALED BELIEVER. Once God gives you SPIRITUAL POSITION, He does not change it.

Once a son of God...Always a son of God

Once adopted into the family of God...Always adopted into the family of God

Once a sheep of the Good Shepherd...Always a sheep of the Good Shepherd (JOHN 10)

Once spiritually changed / "born again from above "...Always spiritually changed / "born again from above " (John 3 explained in Ephesian 2)

Once indwelt by God the Holy Spirit...Always indwelt by God the Holy Spirit

Once spiritually baptized into the Body of Christ...Always spiritually baptized into the Body of Christ

Once John 3 / Ephesian 2 saved...ALWAYS John 3 / Ephesian 2 SAVED

Once God performs His Loving works and gifts of salvation...GOD WILL NOT UN-DO THEM!...But He does FORGIVE SIN...NOT punish with the loss of SPIRITUAL POSITION.

2 Timothy 3:15
and that from childhood you have known the sacred writings which are able to give you the wisdom that
leads to salvation THROUGH FAITH which is in Christ Jesus.

Luke 6
47 Everyone who COMES to Me and HEARS My words and ACTS on them,
I will show you whom he is like:
48 he is like a man building a house, who dug deep and laid a foundation on "THE ROCK";
and when a flood occurred, the torrent burst against that house and could not shake it,
because it had been well built.
49 But the one who has heard and has not ACTED accordingly,
is like a man who built a house on the ground without any foundation;(SINKING SAND!)
and the torrent burst against it and immediately it collapsed,
and the ruin of that house was great.”

Once a BELIEVER is built on "THE ROCK"...ALWAYS will he stay built on "THE ROCK". God is your unchanging support.

Psalm 19:14
Let the words of my mouth and the meditation of my heart Be acceptable in Your sight, O Lord,
my rock and my Redeemer.

Psalm 78:35
And they remembered that God was their rock,
And the Most High God their Redeemer.

I won't take the large amount of time needed to address each verse you cite but in some of the verses cited, those that support OSAS ignore, and in some cases flat out attack the present tense of verbs. For example you cite John 6:35ff:

35-And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.
36-But I said unto you, That ye also have seen me, and believe not.
37-All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

The verbs in red are all present tense denoting an ongoing sustained action. As long as one CONDITIONALLY CONTINUES to believe and come to Christ he will not be cast out. If one quits believing and coming to Christ hew ill be cast out. This is true in all the other verses you cited with the present tense.