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Can a Christian lose his/her salvation?

Discussion in 'General Theology' started by Quasar92, Jun 24, 2017.

  1. Wordkeeper

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    1 Corinthians 3:10-15
    10By the grace God has given me, I laid a foundation as a wise builder, and someone else is building on it. But each one should build with care. 11For no one can lay any foundation other than the one already laid, which is Jesus Christ. 12If anyone builds on this foundation using gold, silver, costly stones, wood, hay or straw, 13their work will be shown for what it is, because the Day will bring it to light. It will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test the quality of each person’s work. 14If what has been built survives, the builder will receive a reward. 15If it is burned up, the builder will suffer loss but yet will be saved—even though only as one escaping through the flames.

    Actually 1 Corinthians 3 deals with doctrine, as v10 indicates, not good works. OT prophets would be put to death for false prophecies and teachings, but NT saints would survive. However their teachings would be destroyed by fire, the word of God, Jeremiah 23:29.


    1 John 2:19
    19They went out from us, but they were not really of us; for if they had been of us, they would have remained with us; but they went out, so that it would be shown that they all are not of us.

    This verse is used by OSAS'ers to teach that those who fell away are not really Christians in the first place. That is a distinction which is not necessarily the only one. "Not really one of us" could mean not really strong believers.

    There is no false believers (that's an oxymoron, no one can explain how a person can have a false belief) only weak believers or strong believers.

    John 6:66-71
    66As a result of this many of His disciples withdrew and were not walking with Him anymore. 67So Jesus said to the twelve, “You do not want to go away also, do you?”68Simon Peter answered Him, “Lord, to whom shall we go? You have words of eternal life. 69“We have believed and have come to know that You are the Holy One of God.”70Jesus answered them, “Did I Myself not choose you, the twelve, and yet one of you is a devil?” 71Now He meant Judas the son of Simon Iscariot, for he, one of the twelve, was going to betray Him.

    Why did Jesus choose Judas? Because he was a believer, even confessed (not a secret believer ;) ), was baptised, could deliver from demon possession. Jesus explains that even though He chose Judas personally, it was no guarantee that he would remain saved, because of verse 22 in the following:

    Matthew 13:18-23
    18“Hear then the parable of the sower. 19“When anyone hears the word of the kingdom and does not understand it, the evil one comes and snatches away what has been sown in his heart. This is the one on whom seed was sown beside the road.20“The one on whom seed was sown on the rocky places, this is the man who hears the word and immediately receives it with joy; 21yet he has no firm root in himself, but is only temporary, and when affliction or persecution arises because of the word, immediately he falls away. 22“And the one on whom seed was sown among the thorns, this is the man who hears the word, and the worry of the world and the deceitfulness of wealth choke the word, and it becomes unfruitful. 23“And the one on whom seed was sown on the good soil, this is the man who hears the word and understands it; who indeed bears fruit and brings forth, some a hundredfold, some sixty, and some thirty.”
     
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  2. TheSeabass

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    Post #337 I asked a question did not make any accusation. I asked: Are you using 1 Cor 3 to say the Christian's sinful work will be burned but he will be saved himself? That the Christian CAN live in adultery but on judgment day his sinful work of adultery will be burned but he will be saved anyway?

    No false accusation was made against anyone. I am showing the disparity in mis-interpretation of two different texts by those who follow the false teaching of OSAS. Instead of dealing with these misinterpretation you choose to make personal attacks. So please come off your false accusation against me and deal with the false teaching of OSAS which truly is a sin against God.
     
  3. Amazing Horse

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    If you can lose your salvation then God would need to stop exist because he would sin not keeping his promise , because it's his job to do it not mine i only have faith that he will do it.

    John 10:28-30
    John 6:37-39


    But you can lose your inheritance like prodigal son , i hope that i did not lose mine so far :p
     
  4. TheSeabass

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    God never promised unconditional salvation to anyone. Therefore God cannot break a promise He never made.
     
  5. Amazing Horse

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    Yes he did in Ephesians 2:8-9
    Gift is gift , you don't work for gift 1 Corinthians 15:1-4
     
  6. TheSeabass

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    Eph 2:8,9 shows salvation is conditional upon one having faith. Therefore one does not UNconditionally receive the gift of salvation nor UNconditionally maintain salvation without faith. Faith is necessary to have access to grace Romans 5:1-2. No faith = no access to grace.


    1 Corinthians 15:2 if one believes in vain then he can be lost for he did not conditionally keep faith. The Christian must conditionally 'stand' and 'believe' the gospel else be lost. There were Christians in Galatia that did not stand in the gospel but instead was removed from the gospel Galatians 1:5-6 and quit obeying the truth Galatians 1:3 therefore were fallen from grace Galatians 5:6.
     
  7. Amazing Horse

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    Nope , When God give you gift of eternal life in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 , then it's eternal life right .
    How can you lose eternal life , it would not have to be eternal in first place.
    Moreover if you get gift that means you get ownership of that gift , if God took it away from you but you refused to give it away , then God would be a thief .

    Is your God a thief ?

    I don't know about your God , but my God has something to tell to your works salvation

    Matthew 7:22-23
     
  8. TheSeabass

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    One in this life has the promise of eternal life (1 John 2:25) and that promise is based upon one being faithful to God and His word. IF one is not faithful then he no longer possesses that promise.

    Your position gives the Christian a license to sin, that the Christian can give up his faith and live just as evil as Satan and still be saved. Yet such a position is not biblical.

    You did not quote Matthew 7:21 that says "Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven."

    So we may see why you did not cite verse 21 for it requires DOING the Father's will to enter the kingdom of heaven. Those in verses 22-23, the reason Jesus did not know them for they were not doing the Father's will but their own will. Matthew 7:21 fits with what Christ said in Luke 6:46 "why call ye Me Lord, Lord and do not the things which I say?" Jesus does not know them, is not the Lord of those who do NOT do what He says.

    One is doing one of two things. One is either working as Christ said unto everlasting life (John 6:27) or one is working iniquity (Matthew 7:23)....no middle ground.

    --Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man
    --And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man

    John 6:27 "Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed."

    It is a settled issue that one must do works in order to have everlasting life. No work = no everlasting life. How more plain can Christ make it by saying one is to WORK for the meat that endures unto everlasting life?
     
  9. Danthemailman

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    Right. 1 Corinthians 15:1,2 - Moreover, brethren, I declare to you the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received and in which you stand, by which also you are saved, if you hold fast that word which I preached to you--unless you believed in vain. To believe in vain is to believe without cause or without effect, to no purpose. If, as some are saying in Corinth, there is no resurrection, then faith is vain and worthless (vs. 14). The people who fail to hold fast to the word (the gospel) that Paul preached in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4, demonstrated that they "believed in vain" (did not truly believe).

    Eternal life is not temporary life. Ephesians 1:13 - In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, 14 who is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory.

    Ephesians 4:30 - And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed unto/for the day of redemption.

    Psalm 37:28 - For the Lord loves justice, And does not forsake His saints; They are preserved forever, But the descendants of the wicked shall be cut off.

    Jude 1:1 - Jude, a bondservant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James, To those who are called, sanctified by God the Father, and preserved in Jesus Christ.

    God is not a thief and works salvation is no salvation at all (Romans 4:4-6; Ephesians 2:8,9; Titus 3:5; 2 Timothy 1:9).

    Matthew 7:21 - Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter. There is a big difference between simply saying Lord, Lord (lip service from those who Jesus NEVER knew) and truly saying that Jesus is Lord by the Holy Spirit (1 Corinthians 12:3).

    John 6:40 - For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in Him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.

    These many people (unbelievers) in Matthew 7:22 had the wrong foundation. They were trusting in their works to save them and NOT IN CHRIST ALONE. Jesus NEVER knew them which means they were NEVER saved. Jesus also described them as "practice lawlessness/evil doers" which is not descriptive of those who are born of God (1 John 3:9,10). Their hearts were not right with God, so their attempted external obedience was stained with sin. *Seeking salvation by works is not the will of the Father. They were self righteous.

    John 17:3 - And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent. The term "know" implies intimate, experiential knowledge, through a relationship with Him, not merely theoretical knowledge. These many people were not true converts.

    Without faith it's impossible to please God no matter how many alleged wonderful works that these many people set out to conjure up through the flesh in a vain effort to receive salvation by works.
     
  10. Amazing Horse

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    This is what Jesus Christ has to say about works salvation. Matthew 7:22-23
     
  11. TheSeabass

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    Matthew 7:21 the Lord said those that DOETH the will of My Father will enter the kingdom. Jesus never knew them for they did not DO the Father's will.

    There is no salvation without DOING. Matthew 7:21-13 is proof text AGAINST man's invention of faith only theology.
     
  12. Amazing Horse

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    God will judge you according to his gospel.Romans 2:16
    Definition of gospel is here 1 Corinthians 15:1-4

    Do you see in that definition of gospel any kingdom ? or maybe any miracles that Jesus did ?or maybe do you see that you need to be baptised ? do you see him saying that you should wash my car here to be saved ?
     
  13. TheSeabass

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    Why do you continue to avoid Matthew 7:21 and all the other verses that require doing to be saved? It appears you are trying to pit bible verse against bible verse. Rom 2:16 or 1 Cor 15 does not undo, change, contradict nor eliminate all the verses that require doing to be saved.

    ----The gospel requires "doing" to enter the kingdom Matthew 7:21-29.
    ----2 Thessalonians 1:8; 1 Peter 4:17 the gospel must be obeyed (doing) else one is lost.
    ----1 Cor 15:1-4 says the gospel is the death, burial and resurrection of Christ.
    ----How does one then obey the gospel, that is, obey the historical events of Christ's death burial and resurrection?
    ----Romans 6:1-7 shows water baptism is where the old man of sin dies, is buried and rises to walk in newness of life
    ----Romans 6:17-18 those Romans obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine then freed from sin. The word "form" means an example, pattern. So water baptism is a form of the gospel's death burial and resurrection of Christ. So the gospel (death, burial, resurrection of Christ) is obeyed when one is water baptized (old man of sin dies, buried and rises to walk in newness of life)
    ----Acts 2:41 the language shows one has not received the gospel until he has been baptized.
     
  14. Amazing Horse

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    Will of Father is to accept Christ , whole Bible is about him not about you.
     
  15. Amazing Horse

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    So do you call Jesus lair that he did not pay it in full ?

    Also why are works burning here but person is saved anyways ? 1 Corinthians 3:15 ?
     
  16. TheSeabass

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    Christ said to do the will of His Father to enter the kingdom. How can one claim they have "accepted" Christ when they have not done what Christ said to do?

    Again, there is no salvation without obeying the gospel and obedience in submitting to the Father's will in being water baptized is how one obeys the gospel.
     
  17. ambc

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    Many Christians believe that once you’re saved, you’re always saved. But I disagree. If salvation were permanent, then someone can get born-again but later descend into violent sin and become an unrepentant serial killer—but he would still have his salvation. That doesn’t make common sense.

    Some people may disagree with me and say that some people who claim to be Christian never belonged to Jesus in the first place, because we’re not supposed to commit egregious sins after we accept Christ. But let’s say there is a priest who has a very good and close relationship with God. Later, he molests a young boy. Again, it doesn’t make common sense to say this priest was never a Christian and that his relationship with God is meaningless.

    For these reasons, I believe the whole “perseverance of the saint” principle isn’t correct. In reality, a Christian can lose his salvation if he relapses into a sinful life and doesn’t repent.
     
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    Yes.

    For note the Bible doesn't teach once-saved-always-saved, but shows that initially saved people, that is, Christians, will obtain ultimate salvation only "if" they continue in the faith to the end (Hebrews 3:6,12,14, Colossians 1:23). And there's no assurance they will choose to do that, instead of wrongly employing their free will to depart from the faith, to no longer believe, to commit apostasy (Luke 8:13; 1 Timothy 4:1; 2 Timothy 4:3-4; 2 Thessalonians 2:3, Hebrews 3:12, Matthew 13:21), to the ultimate loss of their salvation (Hebrews 6:4-8, John 15:6; 2 Timothy 2:12b, Mark 8:35-38, Hebrews 10:38-39, Matthew 24:9-13).

    Also, even if they do continue in the faith, Christians will obtain ultimate salvation only if they also patiently continue to the end in obedience and good works (Romans 2:6-8, James 2:24, Matthew 7:21, Philippians 2:12b; 2 Corinthians 5:9, Hebrews 5:9; 2 Peter 1:10-11, Hebrews 6:10-12, Philippians 3:11-14; 1 John 2:17b), as in works of faith (1 Thessalonians 1:3, Galatians 5:6b, Titus 3:8) (not works of the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law). And there's no assurance they will choose to do that, instead of wrongly employing their free will to become utterly lazy without repentance, to the ultimate loss of their salvation (Matthew 25:26,30, John 15:2a).

    Also, even if they do continue in faith and good works of faith, Christians will obtain ultimate salvation only if they also continue to the end to repent from every sin they commit (Hebrews 10:26-29; 1 Corinthians 9:27, Matthew 7:22-23, Galatians 5:19-21). And there's no assurance they will choose to do that, instead of wrongly employing their free will to commit unrepentant sin, to the ultimate loss of their salvation (Luke 12:45-46; 2 Peter 2:20-22, Romans 8:13; 1 John 5:16, James 5:19-20).

    Also, Christians will obtain ultimate salvation only if they get water-immersion (burial) baptized into Jesus Christ's death for our sins (Mark 16:16; 1 Peter 3:21, Romans 6:3-11, Colossians 2:12, Galatians 3:27, Acts 2:38). And there's no assurance they will choose to do that (cf. Acts 22:16a).

    Also, Christians will obtain ultimate salvation only if they partake of the divine flesh and blood of the bread and wine of Communion (John 6:53, Matthew 26:26-28; 1 Corinthians 10:16; 1 Corinthians 11:27-30). And there's no assurance they will choose to do that (cf. John 6:60,66).

    Also, Christians will obtain ultimate salvation only if they forgive everyone for every wrong (Matthew 6:14-15). And there's no assurance they will choose to do that (Matthew 18:21-35).

    Also, Christians will obtain ultimate salvation only if they do all they can (Romans 12:18) to make reparations to and peace with everyone whom they've ever wronged (Matthew 5:23-26, cf. Acts 24:16). And there's no assurance they will choose to do that.

    Also, Christians will obtain ultimate salvation only if they help other Christians in need (Matthew 25:34-46). And there's no assurance they will choose to do that (3 John 1:10b).

    Also, Christians will obtain ultimate salvation only if they provide for their families (1 Timothy 5:8). And there's no assurance they will choose to do that.

    Also, Christians will obtain ultimate salvation only if they don't commit the unforgivable sin, which is blaspheming God's Holy Spirit (Mark 3:29). An example of blaspheming the Holy Spirit is saying an act performed by the power of the Holy Spirit (e.g. Matthew 12:28) was performed by Satan (Mark 3:22-30). There's no assurance Christians will never choose to say that (cf. 1 Corinthians 14:39b; 1 Thessalonians 5:19).

    Also, Christians will obtain ultimate salvation only if they don't remove words from the book of Revelation and publish the altered text as if it were the original, without repentance (Revelation 22:19). And there's no assurance they will never choose to do that (cf. 2 Corinthians 4:2).

    Also, Christians will obtain ultimate salvation only if they don't worship the future Antichrist and his image, and don't willingly receive his mark on their right hand or forehead (Revelation 14:9-12, Revelation 13:16-18). And there's no assurance they won't choose to do those things (1 Timothy 4:1).

    Christians will obtain ultimate salvation only if they continue in God's goodness to the end (Romans 11:20-22). And there's no assurance they will choose to do that (Luke 12:45-46).

    Christians will obtain ultimate salvation only if they overcome to the end (Revelation 3:5, Revelation 2:11, Revelation 2:26). And there's no assurance they will choose to do that (Revelation 21:7-8).

    All this is said not to engender any unhealthy fear in Christians, but the healthy fear which all Christians are supposed to have (e.g. Romans 11:20-22).

    And all this is said not to engender any despair in Christians, but the healthy, close-clinging to the person of Jesus Christ Himself, which all Christians must continue in (John 15:4-6). For while God makes it possible for Christians to do the right things (Philippians 2:13) toward their ultimate salvation (Romans 2:6-8, Philippians 2:12b, Matthew 7:21), this is possible only so long as they continue to abide in Jesus. For on their own, apart from Jesus, they can't do anything good (John 15:4-5).

    Also, Jesus isn't a hard taskmaster. He will never give Christians more work to do for Him than they can easily bear (Matthew 11:28-30). So if Christians ever get stressed out that Jesus is asking them to do too much, it's not Jesus asking them to do whatever is stressing them out (Luke 10:40-42). They need to take a step back and ask Jesus what particular spiritual work He's actually asking them as individuals to do (Mark 13:34, Romans 12:6-8).
     
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    Note Romans 8:29-31 shows all the elect are glorified at some point during their lifetime just as they're all justified at some point during their lifetime. In Romans 8:30 the apostle Paul uses the same verb-tense for "glorified" as for "justified" and "called". He doesn't say: "whom he justified, them he also will glorify", but "whom he justified, them he also glorified", because the glory he's speaking of isn't something in the future but a present and ongoing reality for Christians (2 Corinthians 3:18, John 17:22; 1 Peter 4:14).

    But Christians already being glorified doesn't mean they've been turned into glorified robots, for they can still wrongly employ their free will to the ultimate loss of their salvation (Hebrews 10:26-29, Hebrews 6:4-8, Matthew 25:26,30). Besides the present glorification of Christians, there will also be a future glorification of obedient Christians at their physical resurrection at Jesus Christ's Second Coming (1 Peter 5:1,4, Philippians 3:20-21; 1 Corinthians 15:21-23,43, Romans 8:17-25; 2 Corinthians 4:17, Colossians 3:4, Colossians 1:27). But this future glory will be dependent on Christians having continued in the faith (Colossians 1:23, Hebrews 3:6,12,14), having patiently continued in good works and obedience (Romans 2:6-8, Hebrews 5:9), and having repented from every sin they committed (Hebrews 10:26-29; 1 Corinthians 9:27).

    Note that possessing something which is eternal in itself doesn't require someone will eternally keep possession of it. For example, imagine one of the eternal precious stones of the heavenly city of New Jerusalem (Revelation 21:19) happened to be given to someone living now on the earth, and he kept it in his pocket. But after a few years he got complacent about it and sold it to a jeweler for a tremendous load of cash (cf. Hebrews 12:16-17). Does this mean it wasn't eternal?

    1 John 3:6, like 1 John 5:18 and 3 John 1:11b, means the initial salvation of Christians will be accompanied by them repenting from their sins and not continuing in them, at least for a while. What these verses don't mean is Christians lose their free will and become robots, unable to ever choose, sometime subsequent to their initial salvation and repentance, to commit a sin without ever repenting from it. For other verses show it's possible for Christians to do that, to the ultimate loss of their salvation (Hebrews 10:26-29; 1 Corinthians 9:27, Luke 12:45-46).

    That is, Hebrews 10:26-29 shows that Christians, who have been sanctified by Jesus Christ's sacrificial blood (Hebrews 10:29), which sanctification requires faith (Acts 26:18b, cf. Romans 3:25-26), can, after they get saved, wrongly employ their free will to commit sin without repentance (Hebrews 10:26). By doing this, these Christians are unwittingly trampling on Jesus and His sacrificial blood and doing despite unto the Spirit of grace (Hebrews 10:29), turning the grace of God into lasciviousness (Jude 1:4), so their ultimate fate will be worse than if they'd never been saved at all (2 Peter 2:20-22). Even though Jesus' sacrificial blood is sufficient to forgive all sins (1 John 2:2), it actually forgives only the sins of Christians which are past (Romans 3:25-26), as in sins which have been repented from and confessed to God (1 John 1:9,7). Jesus' sacrificial blood doesn't remit unrepentant sins (Hebrews 10:26-29). So a Christian can ultimately lose his salvation if he wrongly employs his free will to commit unrepentant sin (Hebrews 10:26-29; 1 Corinthians 9:27, Luke 12:45-46).

    Some Christians say Hebrews 10:26-29 isn't for Christians. But note the immediate context of Hebrews 10:26-29 is Hebrews 10:25, which is addressing "we" Christians. Hebrews 10:25-29 is the same idea as Hebrews 3:13: Christians need to gather together and exhort each other so no Christian will fall into any unrepentant sin. For any unrepentant sin will ultimately result in the loss of salvation (Hebrews 10:26-29; 1 Corinthians 9:27, Luke 12:45-46, Matthew 7:22-23, Galatians 5:19-21; 2 Peter 2:20-22, Romans 8:13; 1 John 5:16, James 5:19-20).

    One way a Christian could come to desire to commit sin without repentance would be if he finds a particular sin to be very pleasurable, so pleasurable and so fulfilling (in the short term) that he continues in it over time until his heart becomes hardened by the deceitfulness of sin (Hebrews 3:13), to where his love for God grows cold because of the abundance of iniquity (Matthew 24:12), to where he quenches the Spirit (1 Thessalonians 5:19), to where he sears his conscience as with a hot iron (1 Timothy 4:2), to where he becomes so infatuated with his sin he can no longer endure the sound doctrine of the Bible (such as the doctrine of Hebrews 10:26-29), but instead latches onto a mistaken, man-made teaching which contradicts the Bible (2 Timothy 4:3-4), such as the mistaken teaching which assures Christian there's no way they can ever lose their salvation, even if they sin without repentance.
     
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    Note 1 John 2:19 doesn't require apostate Christians were never real Christians, but can mean apostate Christians were never of the overcomers to the end (Revelation 3:5, Revelation 2:26). Real Christians who have their names written in the Book of Life can have their names blotted out if they fail to overcome to the end (Revelation 3:5, Revelation 2:26). People can really believe in Jesus Christ and His Gospel only for awhile, before at some point wrongly employing their free will to depart from the faith, to no longer believe, to commit apostasy (Luke 8:13; 1 Timothy 4:1; 2 Thessalonians 2:3), to the ultimate loss of their salvation (Hebrews 6:4-8, John 15:6; 2 Timothy 2:12b).

    1 John 2:18-19 can refer to Christians who eventually became Gnostic-type Christians (cf. 2 John 1:7; 1 John 4:3), and so left the Church because of its continued, and correct, insistence that Christ is in the flesh (Luke 24:39).

    Romans 8:38-39 means nothing outside of Christians' own free-willed actions can separate them from God's love. For Romans 8:38-39 isn't contradicting Christians themselves can wrongly employ their free will to the ultimate loss of their salvation (Hebrews 10:26-29, Hebrews 6:4-8, Matthew 25:26,30).

    Regarding the part of Romans 8:38-39 which says: "neither death, nor life", it means neither Christians' continued living in itself nor their dying in itself can separate them from God's love, in the sense of them losing their salvation just for continuing to live or just for dying. For unless Christians wrongly employ their free will to commit suicide, whether they continue to live or die is outside their control.

    John 10:28-29 means Christians will never spiritually perish so long as they remain in God's hand, and no one outside of a Christian can ever take him or her out of God's hand. But John 10:28-29 doesn't mean Christians are imprisoned in God's hand, that they can't wrongly employ their free will to jump out of God's hand themselves, such as by committing apostasy, to the ultimate loss of their salvation (Hebrews 6:4-8, John 15:6; 2 Timothy 2:12). Also, John 10:28-29 isn't contradicting God Himself can in the end cast Christians out of His hand, they can in the end lose their salvation, if they don't continue in His goodness (Romans 11:20-22), such as by wrongly employing their free will to commit a sin without repentance (Hebrews 10:26-29; 1 Corinthians 9:27, Luke 12:45-46) or become utterly lazy without repentance (Matthew 25:26,30, John 15:2a, Romans 2:6-8).

    Also, John 10:28-29 doesn't mean a Christian's will is kept in God's hand in the sense a Christian can't wrongly employ his will to the ultimate loss of his salvation. For any such "kept" will would be nothing but a destroyed will. It would make Christians like someone who has been lobotomized, strait-jacketed, drugged, and locked up in a cell. Thank God He doesn't do that to Christians, but leaves them as free people with free will. And because He does, they themselves have to choose each and every day for the rest of their lives to deny themselves, to take up their crosses themselves, and to continue to follow Jesus Christ (Luke 9:23) to the end. And the Bible gives no assurance every Christian will choose to do that (Hebrews 10:26-29, Hebrews 6:4-8, John 15:2a).
     
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