Calvinist limited love for mankind

[Jesusthekingofking]

Calvinist emphasis on God's predestination that sometime make me feel that these Christian defined love in their own way. Can they go around and say to people "Jesus love you"? I'm not a calvinist, I won't say the Father damned those who God didn't predetermined to be saved, I affirm Jesus died for all and desire all to be saved, those who rejected the gospel go to hell. So by my conscience I can Jesus love the sinners. But for Calvinist they would say God hate sin and the sinners. So what is love to calvinist? Does God love only the elect? So God's love is limited in that sense?

 

[returntosender]

Calvinist emphasis on God's predestination that sometime make me feel that these Christian defined love in their own way. Can they go around and say to people "Jesus love you"? I'm not a calvinist, I won't say the Father damned those who God didn't predetermined to be saved, I affirm Jesus died for all and desire all to be saved, those who rejected the gospel go to hell. So by my conscience I can Jesus love the sinners. But for Calvinist they would say God hate sin and the sinners. So what is love to calvinist? Does God love only the elect? So God's love is limited in that sense?

I wonder where you got your information?
Gods love is limitless.
There is a famous Calvinist here. His name is hammster. Why don't you take it to the hammsters mouth, so to speak, lol. Pm him.
God bless!

 

[Cormack]

Unfortunately many of the Calvinists I know both in person and online are prickly about discussing these issues, @Jesusthekingofking.

Can they go around and say to people "Jesus love you"?

The Calvinist could say “Jesus loves you,” but only by using 2 different meanings for love.

Christians are given the salvation love because Christ died for them, electing love, everyone else isn’t loved in that way.

Other people who Christ didn’t die to save receive the temporal blessings, where God let’s them have rain for their gardens and food for their bellies, then he damns them forever without hope or mercy.

To the Calvinist both of these things are love, but he won’t always explain that. He may look the unbeliever sweetly in the eye and say “of course Jesus loves you...” But that’s as far as the explanation goes.

If the unbeliever responds positively, then they might be a recipient of that electing love, we will know if she perseveres until the end.

If they respond negatively, God still gives them rain and food, and then later hell, because she has no sacrifice or mediator to save her, she never did.

“what does it profit a man if he gains the entire world, but loses his soul?”

 

[Jesusthekingofking]

I wonder where you got your information?
Gods love is limitless.
There is a famous Calvinist here. His name is hammster. Why don't you take it to the hammsters mouth, so to speak, lol. Pm him.
God bless!

calvinist would argue

https://www.amazon.com/Does-God-Love-Everyone-Calvinism/dp/1620325500

 

[returntosender]

You won't know til you try. Better to get it from an authority isn't it? Give him a chance to speak to his beliefs.

 

[Jesusthekingofking]

Unfortunately many of the Calvinists I know both in person and online are prickly about discussing these issues, @Jesusthekingofking.



The Calvinist could say “Jesus loves you,” but only by using 2 different meanings for love.

Christians are given the salvation love because Christ died for them, electing love, everyone else isn’t loved in that way.

Other people who Christ didn’t die to save receive the temporal blessings, where God let’s them have rain for their gardens and food for their bellies, then he damns them forever without hope or mercy.

To the Calvinist both of these things are love, but he won’t always explain that. He may look the unbeliever sweetly in the eye and say “of course Jesus loves you...” But that’s as far as the explanation goes.

If the unbeliever responds positively, then they might be a recipient of that electing love, we will know if she perseveres until the end.

If they respond negatively, God still gives them rain and food, and then later hell, because she has no sacrifice or mediator to save her, she never did.

“what does it profit a man if he gains the entire world, but loses his soul?”

“what does it profit a man if he gains the entire world, but loses his soul?” <-- this quote has been missed quoted, this is Jesus's warning for those who love the earthly world than the heaven.

Well I can't be calvinist, it seems like everything has been determined since the foundation of the world.

 

[Jesusthekingofking]

You won't know til you try. Better to get it from an authority isn't it?

try what?

 

[Cormack]

There is a famous Calvinist here. His name is hammster.

Don’t bother, @Jesusthekingofking. I’ve discussed with hammer before, there’s nothing famous about his defence and (God love him) he abandoned our conversation without replies to the content of my posts. His views are classic Calvinism and can be read everywhere.

The opening post is argued for by believing Calvinists.

 

[Jesusthekingofking]

Don’t bother, @Jesusthekingofking. I’ve discussed with hammer before, there’s nothing famous about his defence and (God love him) he abandoned our conversation without replies to the content of my posts. His views are classic Calvinism and can be read everywhere.

The opening post is argued for by believing Calvinists.

I would challenge calvinist go before calvin and augustine, see how the church fathers read the bible. if the early christians aren't calvinist then something is wrong with some Calvinistic doctrine.

 

[returntosender]

try what?

pming him, or if you don't want to ask him look up his many posts on Calvinism.

 

[Cormack]

this is Jesus's warning for those who love the earthly world than the heaven.

I’m not saying it’s a quote about Calvinism, I’m saying what good does it do if a person under Calvinism received every material blessing but then lost his soul. It’s difficult to call that love.

 

[returntosender]

Don’t bother, @Jesusthekingofking. I’ve discussed with hammer before, there’s nothing famous about his defence and (God love him) he abandoned our conversation without replies to the content of my posts. His views are classic Calvinism and can be read everywhere.

The opening post is argued for by believing Calvinists.

I've seen his person change, maybe it is a spiritual change also. Will you not give a person 70x70 chances to change? I wasn't speaking of his defense when I said he was famous.

 

[Aussie Pete]

Calvinist emphasis on God's predestination that sometime make me feel that these Christian defined love in their own way. Can they go around and say to people "Jesus love you"? I'm not a calvinist, I won't say the Father damned those who God didn't predetermined to be saved, I affirm Jesus died for all and desire all to be saved, those who rejected the gospel go to hell. So by my conscience I can Jesus love the sinners. But for Calvinist they would say God hate sin and the sinners. So what is love to calvinist? Does God love only the elect? So God's love is limited in that sense?

I do not like labels. My Bible says that "God so loved the world........." Same as the Calvinist Bible. My Bible says that God is not willing that any should perish. Funny, the Calvinist Bible says the same thing. No one but God knows who will accept Christ. So I believe in predestination but I will not discriminate as to who I witness to. The hyper-Calvinist (a rare breed now) does not bother to preach because they think that God will save the person anyway. My Bible commands Christians to preach the gospel, whatever the result. The result is God's business. Our business is to obey.

 

[Cormack]

I've seen his person change, maybe it is a spiritual change also. Will you not give a person 70x70 chances to change?

70x70 chances to forgive? Sure, I mean, I’ll tease “hammer” but he’s nice and friendly and will make himself available for discussion of course. He’s not a bad guy, but he’s not going to provide a good answer (in my experience.) Good guys provide bad answers all the time.

Try this question on for size....

Under some forms of Calvinism, Jesus didn’t die for everyone.

Does God love the people he didn’t die for?

 

[returntosender]

“what does it profit a man if he gains the entire world, but loses his soul?” <-- this quote has been missed quoted, this is Jesus's warning for those who love the earthly world than the heaven.

Well I can't be calvinist, it seems like everything has been determined since the foundation of the world.

No one is asking you to be a Calvinist. It is your right to choose your belief. Its my right not to be a Catholic.

 

[returntosender]

70x70 chances to forgive? Sure, I mean, I’ll tease “hammer” but he’s nice and friendly and will make himself available for discussion of course. He’s not a bad guy, but he’s not going to provide a good answer (in my experience.) Good guys provide bad answers all the time.

Try this question on for size....

Under some forms of Calvinism, Jesus didn’t die for everyone.

Does God love the people he didn’t die for?

I think you can look at any doctrine and find something you disagree with, aye?
We won't know which was the right one til we die.
Even so, bless your heart.

 

[Cormack]

I think you can any doctrine and find something you disagree with, aye?

Well the deeper we know a topic, the more opportunity we have to disagree.

More propositions = more chances to pick a different answer from each other.

Still, my question.

If the Father doesn’t give His Son as a sacrifice for a persons sin, does He love that person??? In your opinion.

 

[returntosender]

God loves everyone until he doesn't.

 

[Cormack]

God loves everyone until he doesn't.

Oh man That’s a stone cold killer reply, could break a mans heart like that. God loves you...until he doesn’t.

EDIT: imagine marrying a man or woman like that. I’d be terrified! Married to the black widow and she can unlove me at any time.

 

[returntosender]

God loves all his creation, the good the bad and the ugly (in the beginning)