Cadaver Synod

[Not David]

Why would that happen on the Church???

 

[ArmyMatt]

because there are bad bishops who do bad/weird things.

 

[Not David]

because there are bad bishops who do bad/weird things.

Wouldn't it be problematic if someone used bad events to criticize the Church?

 

[ArmyMatt]

Wouldn't it be problematic if someone used bad events to criticize the Church?

no, because that has nothing to do with the truth of the faith.

 

[TheLostCoin]

While honestly things like that might be shocking to our culture today, and in fact, it was shocking to some back then, things like this were often done out of Faith to show the importance of the Bishropic, to serve as a deterrant for future Bishops, and for the soul of the deceased Bishop.

The Bishopric was seen as such a sacred office - no less, the Bishop of Rome, the first of the Bishops, one of the most influential Bishops, and the Apostolic See going back to Saint Peter and Saint Paul - that to abuse that office for personal gain could be seen as a crime deserving the utmost animosity and hatred. Not that these offices weren't heavily abused at the time.

A similar story happened with Saint Gregory the Great. When he was an abbot in Rome, a monk was caught storing gold. On his deathbed, Saint Gregory took the gold and threw it at him saying "take your money unto perdition" and when he died, they threw the corpse onto manure with the coins. He then ordered several Masses to be said for this monk.

According to Saint Gregory's own words, he did this for several reasons. 1. To show as an example to the monks how unacceptable such greed was for a monk 2. In hopes that the soul of the monk would realize the horrors of his sins and turn to Christ lest he was condemned to eternal fire.

The monk later appeared in a dream to other monks saying that he had escaped his fate in Hades and found Salvation.

 

[ArmyMatt]

if anything, the Cadaver Synod is a strong argument against Papal Supremacy/Infallibility.

 

[Not David]

While honestly things like that might be shocking to our culture today, and in fact, it was shocking to some back then, things like this were often done out of Faith to show the importance of the Bishropic, to serve as a deterrant for future Bishops, and for the soul of the deceased Bishop.

The Bishopric was seen as such a sacred office - no less, the Bishop of Rome, the first of the Bishops, one of the most influential Bishops, and the Apostolic See going back to Saint Peter and Saint Paul - that to abuse that office for personal gain could be seen as a crime deserving the utmost animosity and hatred. Not that these offices weren't heavily abused at the time.

A similar story happened with Saint Gregory the Great. When he was an abbot in Rome, a monk was caught storing gold. On his deathbed, Saint Gregory took the gold and threw it at him saying "take your money unto perdition" and when he died, they threw the corpse onto manure with the coins. He then ordered several Masses to be said for this monk.

According to Saint Gregory's own words, he did this for several reasons. 1. To show as an example to the monks how unacceptable such greed was for a monk 2. In hopes that the soul of the monk would realize the horrors of his sins and turn to Christ lest he was condemned to eternal fire.

The monk later appeared in a dream to other monks saying that he had escaped his fate in Hades and found Salvation.

Sounds like tough love.

 

[Not David]

if anything, the Cadaver Synod is a strong argument against Papal Supremacy/Infallibility.

Because of a Pope condemning another?

 

[ArmyMatt]

Because of a Pope condemning another?

yeah, and more than just two Popes.

 

[TheLostCoin]

Sounds like tough love.

Whether or not you agree with it, Christ wasn't always lovey-dovey. He called the Pharisees' "Father" Satan and called them white-washed tombs. To say He didn't love them is offensive.

True love isn't always fun. When your mom yelled at you for stealing cookies from the pantry when you were a kid, she was doing it out of love. If she didn't love you, she wouldn't care what was best for you.

 

[Not David]

Whether or not you agree with it, Christ wasn't always lovey-dovey. He called the Pharisees' "Father" Satan and called them white-washed tombs. To say He didn't love them is offensive.

True love isn't always fun. When your mom yelled at you for stealing cookies from the pantry when you were a kid, she was doing it out of love. If she didn't love you, she wouldn't care what was best for you.

Indeed, probably that's something a lot of people don't realize.

 

[buzuxi02]

I believe it had something to do that to depose their was a rite where you removed vestments and even shoes from the person being defrocked. At death a bishop is dressed in vestments to show he died in good standing.
Now with that out of the way. You have to understand that Rome was going into steep decline. It was the premiere city of 1 million inhabitants at the time of Jesus to less than 20,000 people by the 10th century. The city was controlled by the few remaining noble families who were corrupt and would install their own popes who were simply puppets removing their opponents Pope etc. It was an extremely low point for the city and its church..