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Discussion in 'General Theology' started by StevenBelievin, Jul 20, 2017.

  1. EmSw

    EmSw White Horse Rider

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    Are you okay? How does one work for a prostitute?
     
  2. Wordkeeper

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    Ninja gear.
     
  3. Wordkeeper

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    Matthew 21:31
    31Which of the two did the will of his father?" They said, "The first." Jesus said to them, "Truly I say to you that the tax collectors and prostitutes will get into the kingdom of God before you.
     
  4. EmSw

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    So, do you prostitute yourself also?
     
  5. Wordkeeper

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    Does it express loyalty to Christ?
     
  6. def

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    I think you just described Luther. Luther felt he was unworthy, and came out with the idea of the imputation of righteousness to free himself of the guilt. It was a good news based on psychology and not on Scripture.
    If God loves the world unconditionally, there would be no hell, and all will go to heaven.

    Paul said that his good works is because of grace, and Paul teaches in Ephesians 2:10 that God has works prepared for His people, and Paul's good works is the work that God has prepared for him.
     
  7. yeshuaslavejeff

    yeshuaslavejeff simple truth, martyr, disciple of Yahshua

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    Good news from Scripture - all that YHWH says ... including Righteousness.

    No, not based on psychology at all. Psychology is a relatively new phenomena also, in society that is pernicious.
     
  8. yeshuaslavejeff

    yeshuaslavejeff simple truth, martyr, disciple of Yahshua

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    Now, there you have it - a statement based on pernicious psychology.

    It is contrary to all Scripture, and untruthful. The origin is man, men, or demons - (not YHWH, not YHWH'S WORD, not Jesus)
     
  9. EmSw

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    Does prostitution express loyalty to Christ? No, and again I say NO!
     
  10. Wordkeeper

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    No, and again I say NO!
     
  11. Bible2+

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    The apostle Paul circumcised his assistant Timothy not because Paul thought the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law was still in effect for Jews, but simply so "the Jews which were in those quarters" (of what's today Turkey) would allow Timothy to enter synagogues with Paul during his journey (Acts 16:3).

    Whether or not someone is physically circumcised doesn't matter to Christians (Colossians 3:11, Galatians 6:15, Galatians 5:6). Instead, the only circumcision that matters is the spiritual circumcision (Philippians 3:3) of water-immersion (burial) baptism into Jesus Christ (Colossians 2:11-13).

    If Christians get physically circumcised thinking they have to (Acts 15:1,5) because it was commanded to Abraham (Genesis 17:10) and was part of the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law (Leviticus 12:3), then Christ will profit them nothing (Galatians 5:2). They've fallen from grace (Galatians 5:4) and placed themselves under the curse of the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law (Galatians 3:10, Deuteronomy 27:26).

    Under the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law, physical circumcision was required for a male, whether Jew or Gentile, whether infant or adult, to become part of Israel (Exodus 12:48). But under the New Covenant, physical circumcision isn't required for a Jew or Gentile to become part of Israel. All that's required is faith in Jesus Christ (Romans 11:17,24, Ephesians 2:12,19, Galatians 3:29). This is one of the ways the New Covenant isn't according to the Old Covenant (Jeremiah 31:32). The letter of the entire Old Covenant Mosaic law was abolished on the Cross (Ephesians 2:15-16, Colossians 2:14-17, Romans 7:6).

    Also, unlike the abolished physical circumcision of the Old Covenant Mosaic law, the spiritual circumcision of the New Covenant of Jesus Christ (Colossians 2:11-13, Philippians 3:3, Romans 2:29) makes no distinction between males and females (Galatians 3:28-29).

    Also, under the New Covenant, a non-Christian, genetic Jew, even though he may be physically circumcised, is spiritually uncircumcised (Acts 7:51) and so spiritually isn't a Jew (Romans 2:28-29, Revelation 2:9b, Revelation 3:9). He has been broken off in spirit from the good olive tree of Israel, the genetic Jews' own tree (Romans 11:20,24). Yet he will be grafted in again when he comes into faith in Jesus Christ (Romans 11:23-32), who is Himself a Jew (John 4:9,22, Luke 2:21).
     
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    Regarding going to the ritual, no.

    Regarding eating the meat, are you thinking of Revelation 2:14b,20b?

    If so, note it doesn't contradict that under the New Covenant all foods are in themselves okay for all Christians, whether Jews or Gentiles, to eat (1 Timothy 4:4-5). Instead, Revelation 2:14b,20b refers to the same principle as 1 Corinthians 10:20-21, which refers to those who eat meat sacrificed to idols with the intent, or the idea, that in doing so they're actually "fellowshipping" with the idols, as opposed to having the true knowledge (1 Corinthians 8:10a) to eat the meat just as meat, without ascribing any evil spiritual significance to it whatsoever (1 Corinthians 8:4-8; 1 Corinthians 10:25-31).
     
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    That's right.

    For Jesus Christ gives each Christian his or her own spiritual work to do (Mark 13:34, Romans 12:6-8; 1 Corinthians 12:28-30; 1 Corinthians 12:8-10). And He gives different Christians different amounts of spiritual talents (Matthew 25:15). So it's not possible for all Christians to do the same spiritual work for Jesus, or to accomplish the same amount for Him. And so any one Christian shouldn't (as sometimes happens) judge any other Christian for not doing the same spiritual work he or she's doing, or for not accomplishing as much as he or she's accomplishing (Romans 14:4). Nor should any Christian think the spiritual work which Jesus has given him or her is unnecessary and not a real part of the operation of the Church (1 Corinthians 12:14-30). But there's still no room for complacency, because for those Christians who've been given much spiritual talent by God, much will be required of them by God (Luke 12:48b). And for those Christians who haven't been given as much spiritual talent by God, they're still expected to accomplish something for Him (Galatians 6:4-5), and not just to sit back and do nothing at all for Him (Matthew 25:26,30, John 15:2a, Romans 2:6-8).
     
  14. TheSeabass

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    The bible teaches salvation is by both God's grace and man's obedience to the will of God.

    John 14:15 says nothing about requiring perfect obedience. God has allowed the Christian the avenue of repentance for when he sins. The fact remains the Christian must do his best in keeping God's commands to abide in His love.


    Those animal sacrifices under the OT had to be offered over and over for sins Yet one sacrifice of Christ His blood continues to wash away all sins IF the Christian continues to walk in the light 1 John 1:7 without Christ having to be sacrificed over and over.

    No one can do any work to earn salvation and no one here that I have seen believes one can do meritorious works to earn salvation so this is not an argument here.
    The bible teaches salvation is a free gift that comes with conditions and meeting the conditions must be done to receive the free gift and nothing is earned.
     
  15. JohnRabbit

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    :oldthumbsup:
     
  16. Wordkeeper

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