Originally posted by endure
being born again does refer to one being saved, but it does not guarantee you that no matter what youll go to heavon becuase one has the ability to go back to a life of sin and forfiet this salvation.
just becuase you get born again does not mean you have no more worries, becuase it something you must keep and abide in.`
Well, the OSAS vs. OSnAS is definitely one of the more popular discussions on this MB. There are plenty of people on both sides of the fence. Let me be clear though, I do not believe one can lose their salvation but I don't plan on going into depth on that unless you wish. But I do believe that our works matter. They are just not what gets us saved nor can they cause us to lose our salvation.
so you believe you must do something that you cannot do?
I do not believe that anyone in history, other than Jesus has lived a life free of sin and yet that is something we are commanded to do. I do not even believe there has ever been anyone who has ceased sinning since they've been saved unless, of course, God saves someone and they die two seconds later.
and you really agree that you must do this?
As I said, "must" refers to responsibility, and yes, I believe we are responsible to keep the law.
it is not hypocrital to preach something that are not doing, it is hypocritical to preach something you do not intend to do.
No. A hypocrite is someone who knows the Truth and does not do it:
James 4:17
Therefore, to him who knows to do good and does not do it, to him it is sin.
That does not speak of sin. That is speaking of our knowing what is right and not doing it. Intent is obviously part of that. Sin is not just sin when we know that something is sinful, however. There is a standard and that standard is not our knowledge. God has written the truth on each of our hearts. All people will be judged. If the Spirit of God does not reside in someone then they will have to atone for their own sins.
whatever you may think, i am coming to the place of ceasing sin, i can see it depleting from my life everyday.
i do not believe i am at the place of fullfilling this yet, becuase there is much i still do not understand about spiritual matters and how to overcome my flesh and sin, but untill i do i ask God to forgive me and grant me knowledge that i never do that again, and it is happening.
i do know this, the things i do now are mistakes, they are not the willing disobediences and abominations to God that used to fill my life, and untill i come to full understanding of satans tactics and the nature of the flesh and the spirit i will continue to fail from lack of knowledge, but God has mercy of mistakes, its a diffrent thing with disobedience. and i am rapidly coming to the place of this knowledge.
Well, that's great. I never said that as we mature in our faith that our sins shouldn't happen less and less. I do believe that's the case. However, as long as you are in this fleshly coil you will sin, even if only occasionally. And by the way, all sin is an abomination to the Lord. It is the antithesis to His entire nature. Only humans catagorize sin into all these levels. For God there is sin that is forgivable, and there is a sin that is not.
1.yes i do preach that we should not sin.
2.yes there are sins or failures i may say, still in my life that i have yet to understand how to remove.
3.no.
And there is nothing wrong with these answers. In fact, I think they describe every Christian. However, it's not you removing your disobedient behavior that makes you holy. It never was and it never will be. What made you holy, in account at least, is God imputing Christ's righteousness to you. What makes you holy in deed is you being sanctified and conformed to the image of Christ. Yes, this is something you participate in. However, you could not do it apart from the grace of God. It is not your will power that enables you to put off the old man. It is God's grace.
one preaching about a place he is going but has not been is not foolish, one commanding another to go somewhere that cannot be entered, that is foolish.
I didn't say that it couldn't be entered. I said that it will not be entered in this life. IOW, it is the
striving for sinlessness that makes us people after God's own heart. Sometimes we are given the grace by God to respond in godliness, sometimes we are not. That doesn't change our responsibility.
what i read is jesus commanding a woman to go and sin no more, not go and do the best you can and leave the rest to grace, im sorry i can find times of God commanding us to leave sin, but i cannot find God ever telling people that they did ok because they did the best they could. i just dont see that in scripture.
it is a fact that we are commanded to go and sin no more.
Like I said, show me anyone, alive or dead, aside from Jesus who did not sin. Sanctification is like walking towards a mountain. The closer you get the bigger it seems. Paul, at the height of his ministry called himself a "wretched man." Why do you think that is? Is it because he sinned more than he did when he was killing Christians? No. It's because the closer we get to God the more of ourselves we recognize as sinful and the more we look at it the way God does. We hate it. We loathe it. We desire to cast it off. And we will, when we are glorified.
if God did not mean for us to do this then what did he mean?
why doesnt he just say what he means instead of saying what he doesnt really mean and leaving us to intepret?
God did not say strive for righteousness, he said go and sin no more, thats just what i read in scripture man.
Okay man. When you think of someone who is still alive and has completely stopped sinning then let me know. Until that time I'm going to go with the Truth.
i do remember God telling joshua to obey the law and not step to the right or to the left, he said it had to be exact.
im not just saying this for aregument.... but would God be so dogmatic about something if it really didnt matter?
Who said it didn't matter?
Certainly not I.
well tell me... why would God command things of us that he knows we cannot do?
Because He is holy. What's He going to say, "Hey endure, I know you're tryin' real hard and that's cool. Do your best." You know what would happen? People's "best" would get less and less measured against the example of Christ and more and more looked at as "well, this is my best." No. We should always compare our behavior to the Word of God. If it doesn't measure up, keep striving for holiness.
i have matured and overcome willing disobedience and running to sin, but their are mistakes of myne where i still fall short if you count those the same as willing sins.
No offense man but I'm sure there are still plenty of willing sins too.
but i can tell you that i am growing, i can look back and see things that used to rule my life that are now dead on the road behind me, i am on my way. i have not fullfilled it, but i am running and thanks be to God and his mercy and his Spirit.
Outstanding. And praise God for that. That's fantastic. Keep striving to be as Christ. But when you fall short are you going to cry out "Oh wretched man that I am who will deliver me" and know that the answer to that is Jesus Christ or are you going to rely on your ability to put off sin and make up for your sinfulness?
as far as blatant sins and things God hates
God hates
ALL sin, blatant or not.
i have overcome them and have the ability to continue doing so as long as i abide in him.
Okay bro. I think you are deluding yourself but I wish you the best.
i know i didnt reply to everything, i may not be able to untill tommorow morning, i am sorry. i would like it if you would wait on them if you could, so you could get the full meaning of what im saying. if they are posted underneath already, they will be tommorow or within a day.
It's cool bro. I truly have enjoyed reading your post. I admire your zeal and your trust in the Lord.
God bless