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Bush breaks with GOP on same-sex unions

Discussion in 'News & Current Events' started by Johnboy53, Oct 26, 2004.

  1. Johnboy53

    Johnboy53 Looking For Interesting News.

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  2. kermit

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  3. joebudda

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    WOW
    That is a shocker.
     
  4. Vylo

    Vylo Stick with the King!

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    Last minute votes? I was under the impression Bush supported civil unions for quite some time now, just not gay marriages.
     
  5. kermit

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    I always thought he was deadset against civil unions too. Got any links?
     
  6. Sycophant

    Sycophant My milkshake brings all the boys to the yard

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    That's the same guy who said this?

    Looks like a flip-flop :D
     
  7. Sycophant

    Sycophant My milkshake brings all the boys to the yard

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    Oh I see, I read it again, and we're playing with the meaning of words again, so he is okay for same-sex civil unions, with the rights and privileges of marriage, but you can't call it marriage because using the same term for it undermines family values.

    It's a sort of fence-sitting thing isn't it? To the gay community he is supporting some rights, with the exception of the title, to the anti-gay marriage crowd, he isn't supporting gay marriage... It's different!
     
  8. Grizzly

    Grizzly Enemy of Christmas Supporter

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    If people want to restrict "marriage" to a religious union and "union" to a civil union, I really wouldn't care. As long as everyone is equal under the eyes of the law.

    But my guess is that even this "union" endorsement will turn off some of his base.
     
  9. joebudda

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    On the plus side is the gay community are gaining the rights they didn’t have before. Marriage is just a label anyway.
     
  10. Sycophant

    Sycophant My milkshake brings all the boys to the yard

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    Or, alternatively, they are being allowed rights which should never have been withheld from them in the first place.

    Just another perspective :)
     
  11. Zoot

    Zoot Omnis Obstat

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    Yes, heh heh. Like when white Americans graciously gifted black Americans with the vote.
     
  12. HisEagle

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    Sooooooo...... I guess a lot of conservatives are going to just looooove this one.
     
  13. Sycophant

    Sycophant My milkshake brings all the boys to the yard

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    I say, what ho, that was jolly sporting of the old chaps, what.

    If you are going to give a same-sex couple the same rights as marriage without the title, I'd like to see a good reason to withhold the title only.

    The idea that "marriage" be retained for religious unions is fine and dandy, but does that mean that atheists can't be married?

    And after a civil union, is Suzy's new spouse her 'wife' or is that a term only to be used in conjustion with a marriage? Maybe it's her 'civially recognised partner'?
     
  14. Philosoft

    Philosoft Orthogonal, Tangential, Tenuously Related

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    Perhaps Dick Cheney has an even greater influence over Bush than even we cynics believed.
     
  15. HisEagle

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    <No! Must...not....agree...with...the....atheist.....> :eek:

    ARGH!!!! :doh:

    I have to admit, you make a good point.
     
  16. MaryS

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    I read the article. The title is somewhat deceptive because Bush is clearly talking about the rights of states to allow same-sex unions. At the state level, some Republicans DO favor same-sex unions.

    Even at the federal level, not all Republicans voted for the Marriage Amendment and not all Democrats voted against it. (check the House of Representatives votes:
    voting record which identifies Republicans versus Democrats by text-type:
    http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2004/roll484.xml
     
  17. Whyzdom

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    Doesn't matter to some of these people Mary.. they want to spin it. I wonder if most people even read the links people put on here or if they just say to heck with it.. I am for such and such... so I will spin it to make my candidate look less like the bad guy that he is.
     
  18. the_malevolent_milk_man

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    HAHA! It's not a good sign when the highest profile republican plainly says that the party platform is wrong.
     
  19. UberLutheran

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    NOT!
    ;)

    Bush OK with same-sex unions. Wonder how THAT is going to play with conservatives, particularly social conservatives? :D
     
  20. drboyd

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    Well, Rove's polling probably showed that a majority of Americans think that same-sex "civil unions" are OK, so instead of trying to change the platform, he just had Bush make this pronouncement.

    It's Rove's mistake for not catching the polling data early enough.


     
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