LDS Brigham Young and His Blood Atonement

[He is the way]

If there is no Mormon Church--why are you responding to something that is directed toward the Mormon Church?

Better question, why call it the Mormon church when there is no Mormon church? When I signed up to be here I signed up as a Mormon as there was no other choice. I am actually a member of The Church Of Jesus Christ Of Latter Day Saints which was nick named Mormons many years ago by Non-members because of the Book of Mormon. We know that Jesus Christ atoned for sins with His blood.

 

[Jamesone5]

Better question, why call it the Mormon church when there is no Mormon church? When I signed up to be here I signed up as a Mormon as there was no other choice. I am actually a member of The Church Of Jesus Christ Of Latter Day Saints which was nick named Mormons many years ago by Non-members because of the Book of Mormon. We know that Jesus Christ atoned for sins with His blood.

Yes, yes I read it all before. Why respond as I certainly am a Non-Member?

Do you think I should afford you special respect because you are really are a Member of a Church of JC of LDS? As, there are over 100 Mormon break-always that you forget about.

It is too long to try to write it out anyway.

See that is why you are claiming exclusiveness--You claim you are a Member of THE church and it carries out in you own testimonies.

I will stay with "the Mormons".

 

[Peter1000]

Jesus was God of OT and the NT. So is God the Father.

Isaiah 48:17
Thus says the Lord, your Redeemer, The Holy One of Israel: “I am the Lord your God, Who teaches you to profit, Who leads you by the way you should go.

Yes you are correct, there are 2 of Them.

 

[Peter1000]

Not "the" God---- just God, btw.

I am sure you have read the bible and you certainly would have read these words:

"The God" of Israel
"The God" of Heaven
"The God" of Abraham, and "the God" of Issac, and "the God" of Jacob
"The God" and "Father" of our Lord Jesus Christ (5 times in the NT)

So if I say "the God" of the OT, you need not correct me. Right?

 

[Peter1000]

Yes, yes I read it all before. Why respond as I certainly am a Non-Member?

Do you think I should afford you special respect because you are really are a Member of a Church of JC of LDS? It is too long to try to write it out anyway.

See that is why you are claiming exclusiveness--You claim you are a Member of THE church and it carries out in you own testimonies.

I will stay with "the Mormons".

JC is certainly not a respectful way to abbreviate Jesus Christ, right?

 

[Jamesone5]

I am sure you have read the bible and you certainly would have read these words:

"The God" of Israel
"The God" of Heaven
"The God" of Abraham, and "the God" of Issac, and "the God" of Jacob
"The God" and "Father" of our Lord Jesus Christ (5 times in the NT)

So if I say "the God" of the OT, you need not correct me. Right?

Oh, were you writing new Sculpture for us when you said this?

Jesus was the God of the OT and was the author of the Law of Moses. ---Peter1000

The sheer arrogance of Mormons and of course you added: "you need not correct me--Right?"

 

[Jamesone5]

Yes you are correct, there are 2 of Them.

Try and truly read what I wrote. Saves one from looking foolish.

 

[Jamesone5]

JC is certainly not a respectful way to abbreviate Jesus Christ, right?

If he is the wrong Christ in your church as he is---I can call him anything or abbreviate as I like

 

[Jamesone5]

Seem

I will continue to respond to your remarks in the hope that it may help you to understand why I believe as I do. I also like to respond to the questions that are asked here, and the statements that are made.

I thought, according to you, that I was supposedly making my remarks to members of a non-existent church. And, by this response, you admit it does exist, so how do you square that?

Just like your two Gods--now you see one, now you do not. Jesus is Lord or another God in Mormonism, depending on what verse someone throws at you.
Here is a verse and I want to see your answer for how God calls Himself the ONE God, and Lord our God.
Deuteronomy 6:4
“Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one!

Care to tackle this one?

 

[Ironhold]

If he is the wrong Christ in your church as he is---I can call him anything or abbreviate as I like

Do you truly think such a display of disrespect will win anyone over?

 

[He is the way]

Seem

I thought, according to you, that I was supposedly making my remarks to members of a non-existent church. And, by this response, you admit it does exist, so how do you square that?

Just like your two Gods--now you see one, now you do not. Jesus is Lord or another God in Mormonism, depending on what verse someone throws at you.
Here is a verse and I want to see your answer for how God calls Himself the ONE God, and Lord our God.
Deuteronomy 6:4
“Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one!

Care to tackle this one?

Jesus is the God and Savior of Israel:

(Old Testament | Exodus 6:6 - 8)

6 Wherefore say unto the children of Israel, I am the LORD, and I will bring you out from under the burdens of the Egyptians, and I will rid you out of their bondage, and I will redeem you with a stretched out arm, and with great judgments:
7 And I will take you to me for a people, and I will be to you a God: and ye shall know that I am the LORD your God, which bringeth you out from under the burdens of the Egyptians.
8 And I will bring you in unto the land, concerning the which I did swear to give it to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob; and I will give it you for an heritage: I am the LORD.

(Old Testament | Isaiah 45:21)

21 Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me.

Jesus covenanted with Israel to be their God and Savior.

 

[Jamesone5]

Jesus is the God and Savior of Israel:

(Old Testament | Exodus 6:6 - 8)

6 Wherefore say unto the children of Israel, I am the LORD, and I will bring you out from under the burdens of the Egyptians, and I will rid you out of their bondage, and I will redeem you with a stretched out arm, and with great judgments:
7 And I will take you to me for a people, and I will be to you a God: and ye shall know that I am the LORD your God, which bringeth you out from under the burdens of the Egyptians.
8 And I will bring you in unto the land, concerning the which I did swear to give it to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob; and I will give it you for an heritage: I am the LORD.

(Old Testament | Isaiah 45:21)

21 Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me.

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Let's take you Isaiah verse

(Old Testament | Isaiah 45:21)

21 Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me.

Did Jesus which you are claim as your separate God of the OT, forget about His supposed God the [literal]Father, when he said there is no God else beside me?

Were millions of Jewish followers of God in OT times just as confused as you Mormons?

Train wrecks all around in your theology.​

 

[He is the way]

Let's take you Isaiah verse

(Old Testament | Isaiah 45:21)

21 Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me.

Did not Jesus which you are claim as your separate God of the OT, forget about His supposed God the [literal]Father, when he said there is no God else beside me.

Were millions of Jewish followers of God in OT times just as confused as you Mormons?

Train wrecks all around in your theology.​

Jesus is the only Savior and you don't understand how He is the covenanted God of Israel.

 

[Jamesone5]

Do you truly think such a display of disrespect will win anyone over?

Seem like you Mormons often do what I do and shorten it to CoJCoLDS. Heck, it is even in the dictionary

COJCOLDS
Acronym Definition
COJCOLDS Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints

then, we are told of false christs.

do I have to give all these christs unwarranted respect?

Mark 13:22
For false christs and false prophets will rise and show signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect.

So with your false christ, you are disrespecting the True Christ by capitalizing His name.

 

[Jamesone5]

Jesus is the only Savior and you don't understand how He is the covenanted God of Israel.

There you go again --speaking for me.
It is NOT a matter of understanding --it IS a matter of Believing in the True Christ.

You DO NOT get to tell me what I do or do not understand.

 

[He is the way]

There you go again --speaking for me.
It is NOT a matter of understanding --it IS a matter of Believing in the True Christ.

You DO NOT get to tell me what I do or do not understand.

(New Testament | Matthew 13:13 - 14)

13 Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.
14 And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:

 

[Jamesone5]

Jesus is the only Savior and you don't understand how He is the covenanted God of Israel.

Is your God somehow only a covenanted God? A covenant is a directive. Basically an agreement.

The you have to Worship Him according to some covenant worked out [evidently between your God and JS], instead of simply choosing to Worships Him?

And once again you say I do not understand as if you can speak for me in what I believe.

I elect to stay here because of all the nonsense that I hear from Mormons like you who's deceptions' run very deep.

 

[He is the way]

Is your God somehow only a covenanted God? A covenant is a directive. Basically an agreement.

The you have to Worship Him according to some covenant worked out [evidently between your God and JS], instead of simply choosing to Worships Him?

And once again you say I do not understand as if you can speak for me in what I believe.

I elect to stay here because of all the nonsense that I hear from Mormons like you who's deceptions' run very deep.

Correct a covenant is an agreement and that agreement was between Jehovah (Jesus) and Israel.

(Old Testament | Exodus 6:5 - 9)

5 And I have also heard the groaning of the children of Israel, whom the Egyptians keep in bondage; and I have remembered my covenant.
6 Wherefore say unto the children of Israel, I am the LORD, and I will bring you out from under the burdens of the Egyptians, and I will rid you out of their bondage, and I will redeem you with a stretched out arm, and with great judgments:
7 And I will take you to me for a people, and I will be to you a God: and ye shall know that I am the LORD your God, which bringeth you out from under the burdens of the Egyptians.
8 And I will bring you in unto the land, concerning the which I did swear to give it to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob; and I will give it you for an heritage: I am the LORD.
9 ¶ And Moses spake so unto the children of Israel: but they hearkened not unto Moses for anguish of spirit, and for cruel bondage.

 

[Jamesone5]

Jesus Christ was not even mentioned in the OT as Jehovah.

Isaiah 12:2
Behold, God is my salvation; I will trust, and not be afraid: for the Lord JEHOVAH is my strength and my song; he also is become my salvation

 

[He is the way]

Jesus Christ was not even mentioned in the OT as Jehovah.

Isaiah 12:2
Behold, God is my salvation; I will trust, and not be afraid: for the Lord JEHOVAH is my strength and my song; he also is become my salvation

Salvation is through Jesus Christ the Savior:

(New Testament | Acts 4:10 - 12)

10 Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole.
11 This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner.
12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

Jehovah was the name that Christ used prior to His birth:

(Old Testament | Exodus 6:3)

3 And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them.