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[Douggg]

Yes I see you have done that. However `in the middle of the week he shall bring an end to sacrifice & offering. ` (Dan. 9: 27) And so 1,185 is not the middle of 2,520 days, whereas 1,260 is. And 1,260 days or 42 months is the length of the A/C`s rule. (Rev. 13: 5)

Not exact middle, such as middle day, the way the KJV is written. In the "midst" of the week - middle part. Which gives some leeway, either side of day 1260, the exact midpoint.

Daniel 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

 

[Marilyn C]

Not exact middle, such as middle day, the way the KJV is written. In the "midst" of the week - middle part. Which gives some leeway, either side of day 1260, the exact midpoint.

27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

I totally agree as the trib, is shortened by a month, therefore the first part is 1,250 days and the great trib, is 1,260 days the length of the A/C`s rule, 42 months.

 

[Douggg]

Hi Douggg,

Interesting thought and plausible. Though the people are told it is an image.

The image has to be something that is setup, and a precursor was when Antiochus had a statue image of Zeus "placed" in the temple.

Daniel 11:31 And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.

I am thinking something like this, after it is incarnated by Satan.

 

[Marilyn C]

The image has to be something that is setup, and a precursor was when Antiochus had a statue image of Zeus "placed" in the temple.

Daniel 11:31 And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.

Something terrible that`s for sure.

I appreciate discussing with you Douggg. Teatime here in OZ so till tomorrow or when we chat again.

regards, Marilyn.

 

[Douggg]

Something terrible that`s for sure.

I appreciate discussing with you Douggg. Teatime here in OZ so till tomorrow or when we chat again.

regards, Marilyn.

okay, have a nice day.

 

[keras]

Zech. 14: 1 & 2 refer to the final battle when the armies of the world surround Jerusalem. It does not prove that the A/C is there for his 42 months of rule.

Zechariah 13:1-2 is when the leader of the OWG conquers the Lord's holy people, then living in peace and prosperity in all of the holy Land. Isaiah 62:1-5
Proved by how he has control over them for that period. Daniel 7:25, Rev 13:7
Armageddon happens when Jesus Returns, at the end of the 42 months.

Where on the timeline in your scenario is the abomination of desolation setup to be worshiped?

Sitting in the temple is an action - not a thing setup.

The taking away of the daily sacrifice happens,

Then the transgression of desolation - sitting in the temple

Then the abomination of desolation thing - placed in the temple

I see it as the AC breaks his 7 year peace treaty with Beulah and invades the holy land, then, at the mid point; after 1260 days, stopping the temple sacrifices and setting up the 'abomination of Desolation'. Daniel 11:31 Which fulfills 2 Thess 2:4
Then follows the final 1260 days until Jesus Returns, when some Christians will be taken to a place of safety on earth and the others must remain. Revelation 12:14-17

The extra 30 days and 75 days cannot be within the 7 year period. They both follow on from the end of it, at the Return of Jesus.
30 days for gathering of all the Lord's people, their Atonement and preparation for various roles, and 75 days from the Return for the cleansing and re-dedication of the Temple.

 

[keras]

okay, have a nice day.

And stop sending your smoke to us!
Pray for rain. Might be the only thing to stop the cricket whitewash!

 

[Douggg]

I see it as the AC breaks his 7 year peace treaty with Beulah and invades the holy land, then, at the mid point; after 1260 days, stopping the temple sacrifices and setting up the 'abomination of Desolation'. Daniel 11:31 Which fulfills 2 Thess 2:4

How is the person "sitting" in the temple the same as the abomination of desolation "placed" in the temple or "setup" in the temple?

2Thessalonians2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

 

[Douggg]

The extra 30 days and 75 days cannot be within the 7 year period. They both follow on from the end of it, at the Return of Jesus.

They can't if you place the abomination of desolation setup in the temple on the exact midpoint of the 7 years. But the text does not say the exact midpoint.

 

[keras]

How is the person "sitting" in the temple the same as the abomination of desolation "placed" in the temple or "setup" in the temple?

2Thessalonians2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

It is obvious to all that 'placed, setup and sits' in the Temple, all refer to the same thing; the Anti-Christ entering the holy of holies and seating himself there.

They can't if you place the abomination of desolation setup in the temple on the exact midpoint of the 7 years. But the text does not say the exact midpoint.

Daniel 9:27b....with one half spent, [of the seven years] he will stop the sacrifices and perpetrate the AoD….
Also the prophesies of Revelation confirm what will happen during the final half of that seven year period.
Your ideas of those extra days happening before the mid point, simply don't fit with what we are told.

 

[Douggg]

Daniel 9:27b....with one half spent, [of the seven years] he will stop the sacrifices and perpetrate the AoD….

Well, you are using a re-translation, that is not a word for word translation, altering the meaning.

It is obvious to all that 'placed, setup and sits' in the Temple, all refer to the same thing; the Anti-Christ entering the holy of holies and seating himself there.

It is not at all obviously the same. Sitting in the temple is an act of a person.

Something placed or setup in the temple is a thing an object - placed or setup there.

The image that the false prophet has made of the beast - where do you think that image is located during the 42 months?

 

[keras]

Well, you are using a re-translation, that is not a word for word translation, altering the meaning.


It is not at all obviously the same. Sitting in the temple is an act of a person.

Something placed or setup in the temple is a thing an object - placed or setup there.

The image that the false prophet has made of the beast - where do you thing that image is located during the 42 months?

I looked up Daniel 9:27 in the Interlineal word translation. It says: the covenant will be broken after one half of it has passed.....
The meaning is unmistakable.

A person is also an object, an animate one.
The image is another object, something different. Where that will be placed, we are not told.

It doesn't look as though you will ever achieve you eschatology objective. ​

 

[Douggg]

I looked up Daniel 9:27 in the Interlineal word translation. It says: the covenant will be broken after one half of it has passed.....
The meaning is unmistakable.

A person is also an object, an animate one.
The image is another object, something different. Where that will be placed, we are not told.

The image of Zeus that Antiochus had placed in the temple is a percursor of the end times abomination of desolation.

However, that image did not come to life and speak, like the image in Revelation 13 will appear to do.

How do you think these prophecies will be fulfilled regarding Satan?


Ezekiel 28:17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.

18 Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.

19 All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more.

 

[keras]

How do you think these prophecies will be fulfilled regarding Satan?

Ezekiel 28:19 will happen after the Millennium. Revelation 20:10

It would help you to use a modern translation. The KJV only adds to the confusion.

 

[Douggg]

Ezekiel 28:19 will happen after the Millennium. Revelation 20:10

It would help you to use a modern translation. The KJV only adds to the confusion.

Satan is not cast down to earth until after the millennium? In Revelation 12:12-17 Satan has been cast down to earth, knowing his has but a short time left of a time, times, and half time. That cannot be at the end of the millennium.

Ezekiel 28:17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.

18 Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.

19 All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more.

 

[keras]

Satan is not cast down to earth until after the millennium? In Revelation 12:12-17 Satan has been cast down to earth, knowing his has but a short time left of a time, times, and half time. That cannot be at the end of the millennium.

Ezekiel 28:17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.

18 Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.

19 All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more.

I referred to verse 19.
Satan is cast out of heaven and takes over the body of the Leader of the OWG, just before Jerusalem is conquered, as per Zechariah 14:1-2
Which is again, the mid point of the final seven years. Revelation 12:7-13
His 'short time', is 42 months, then Jesus Returns. Revelation 13:5

 

[solid_core]

I referred to verse 19.
Satan is cast out of heaven and takes over the body of the Leader of the OWG, just before Jerusalem is conquered, as per Zechariah 14:1-2
Which is again, the mid point of the final seven years. Revelation 12:7-13
His 'short time', is 42 months, then Jesus Returns. Revelation 13:5

Jesus said He will return in the life time of His listeners. And because the only similar event to His words happened in 70 AD, therefore the 3 years of that period is something between 66-70AD.

"... when he shall come in his own glory, and in his Father's, and of the holy angels…there are some of those standing here, who in no wise shall taste of death, until they have seen the kingdom of God. "
Lk 9:26-27
"they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory…This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled."
Mt 24:30, 34
"But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken…this generation shall not pass, till all these things be done. "
Mk 13:24, 25, 30
"For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled… for the powers of heaven shall be shaken… This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled. "
Lk 21:22, 26, 32
"Then said he to the multitude..O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath about to come? And now also the axe is laid…every tree therefore which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire."
Lk 3:7-9
Now these things happened to them as types and were written for our admonition, to whom the ends of the ages are arrived.
1Cor 10:11 - Paul
"The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must take place shortly."
Rev 1:1

 

[Douggg]

I referred to verse 19.
Satan is cast out of heaven and takes over the body of the Leader of the OWG, just before Jerusalem is conquered, as per Zechariah 14:1-2
Which is again, the mid point of the final seven years. Revelation 12:7-13
His 'short time', is 42 months, then Jesus Returns. Revelation 13:5

On what bible verses are basing your view that Satan takes over the body of the (the beast) Leader of the OWG (in your view) ?

Three separate mouths in Revelation 16.

Revelation 16:13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon [incarnating the speaking statue image], and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.

 

[Douggg]

Jesus said He will return in the life time of His listeners. And because the only similar event to His words happened in 70 AD, therefore the 3 years of that period is something between 66-70AD.

"... when he shall come in his own glory, and in his Father's, and of the holy angels…there are some of those standing here, who in no wise shall taste of death, until they have seen the kingdom of God. "
Lk 9:26-27
"they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory…This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled."
Mt 24:30, 34
"But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken…this generation shall not pass, till all these things be done. "
Mk 13:24, 25, 30
"For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled… for the powers of heaven shall be shaken… This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled. "
Lk 21:22, 26, 32
"Then said he to the multitude..O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath about to come? And now also the axe is laid…every tree therefore which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire."
Lk 3:7-9
Now these things happened to them as types and were written for our admonition, to whom the ends of the ages are arrived.
1Cor 10:11 - Paul
"The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must take place shortly."
Rev 1:1

Hi solid core, did you notice this thread is tagged Futurists only ?

 

[keras]

On what bible verses are basing your view that Satan takes over the body of the (the beast) Leader of the OWG (in your view) ?

Three separate mouths in Revelation 16.

Revelation 16:13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon [incarnating the speaking statue image], and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.

Revelation 13:3-4 says how Satan makes the 'beast' alive again by entering his body.
Rev 16:13 refers to other demonic beings, doing the works of Satan.