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Booster shots: FDA advisory panel rejects widespread Pfizer jabs in blow to Biden's plan

Discussion in 'News & Current Events (Articles Required)' started by GOD Shines Forth!, Sep 17, 2021.

  1. GOD Shines Forth!

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    Is it possible that throwing booster after booster at this thing will just encourage it to keep mutating more intensely than it would have if mostly left alone? Because so far this virus has been several steps ahead of us from day 1.
     
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  3. tz620q

    tz620q Regular Member Supporter

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    I think giving Americans boosters while most of the world goes without vaccines is a failure of Christian love. If we see the world as a petri dish and humans the incubators for future variants, then the more virus that is in the world, the better the chance of mutation. The delta variant did not develop in the U.S. but quickly came here, which shows the interdependence the U.S. has with other countries in defeating this pandemic. So giving these vaccines to countries that are currently spiking with COVID will reduce the chance of mutation more than giving Americans booster shots.
     
  4. Paulos23

    Paulos23 Never tell me the odds!

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    The virus will mutate with or without the booster shot, and not every mutation will be as bad as Delta.

    The virus is just doing its own thing, we are trying to get ahead of it with vaccinations but some people are not helping by refusing the vaccination.

    Having the population vaccinated will slow down the mutations more since fewer people will have the virus.
     
  5. hedrick

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    Biden jumped the gun, based on what he was hearing. But this isn’t a blow to any plans, unless you think plans can’t change based on evidence.

    Unless you’re more interested in politics than health, the interesting thing is that it doesn’t appear that boosters are necessary for most people. Initial reports fromIsrael certainly made it look like boosters are necessary, but there are subtle statistical issues with the summaries that were initially published.

    Here’s a detailed review of some Israeli data https://www.covid-datascience.com/p...strong-when-60-of-hospitalized-are-vaccinated. The implications are interesting. It’s enough to make me skeptical about a lot of reports of decreased effectiveness.

    the question is whether the same issue is present in the recent comparison of Pfizer, Moderna and Jansen. Here’s the most recent paper. https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7038e1.htm?s_cid=mm7038e1_w
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    hey certainly tried to control for other factors.
     
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  6. essentialsaltes

    essentialsaltes Stranger in a Strange Land

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    I know some people preferred The Former Guy, who ignored his medical advisors, but as the OP article notes:

    President Joe Biden promised early on that his administration would "follow the science," following disclosures of political meddling in the Trump administration's coronavirus response.

    Let's see if Biden does. I sure hope so.
     
  7. hedrick

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    Of course. Unless he does something even more drastic than Trump ever did, he’s not going to ask states to administer vaccines that the FDA doesn’t authorize.
     
  8. rambot

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    Oh. It's become pretty clear thta America is a failure with Christian love, not uncommonly.
     
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    hedrick Senior Veteran Supporter

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    It's interesting to look at one of those world maps showing where Covid problem spots are. If you decided to start there, the US should certainly be big part. Oddly, the big spots all seem to have vaccine industry of their own.

    It's also not so clear that Pfizer is useful for most of the third world. I'm looking for the 2nd generation vaccines, that are easier to make and don't have low temperature requirements. Some of the population in cities can use Pfizer, and I think we give a high priority to exporting what they can use. But it's not the end game.
     
  10. AvilaSurfer

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    The vote was 16-3. Wife and I already got the 3rd shot.
     
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    I think that’s the vote to not do universal boosters. I believe the vote for 65 and over was unanimous.
     
  12. Pommer

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    Good, keep yourself (and others) safe!
     
  13. AvilaSurfer

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    Correct. I was just correcting the numbers. It wasn’t 61-3.
     
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