Books About the Christian Aspects of Lord of the Rings

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I'm a huge fan of Tolkien - as a writer. He's a hero of mine and the greatest British writer there has ever been in my opinion. That does not mean he was also a great politician - far from it. he would have opposed many of the things which have made our country great (the NHS for example)
 
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I'm a huge fan of Tolkien - as a writer. He's a hero of mine and the greatest British writer there has ever been in my opinion. That does not mean he was also a great politician - far from it. he would have opposed many of the things which have made our country great (the NHS for example)


I appreciate your opinion. As someone who has likely identical politics to Tolkien I would say we disagree on what makes a country great.
 
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That's a good list, a couple of them I have and one I lent out (the Gospel according to Tolkien).

A few others worth checking out:

Tolkien and the Silmarilion by Clyde Kilby
Myth, Allegory and Gospel by John Warwick Montgomery.


nice and thanks. I might check them out.
 
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I looked for my paper to post at least the bibliography but it’s not where I thought it was, which means it is in storage.

D’awwww. Well, if you ever do come across it one day please remember this thread :)
 
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I was surprised once to read Tolkien leant a little towards anarchism in his later years. In fact he seems to have been drawn toward both anarchism and monarchism! In a letter to his son Christopher he explained:

“My political opinions lean more and more to Anarchy (philosophically understood, meaning the abolition of control not whiskered men with bombs) — or to ‘unconstitutional’ Monarchy. I would arrest anybody who uses the word State (in any sense other than the inaminate real of England and its inhabitants, a thing that has neither power, rights nor mind); and after a chance of recantation, execute them if they remained obstinate! If we could go back to personal names, it would do a lot of good.

Government is an abstract noun meaning the art and process of governing and it should be an offence to write it with a capital G or so to refer to people … The most improper job of any many, even saints (who at any rate were at least unwilling to take it on), is bossing other men. Not one in a million is fit for it, and least of all those who seek the opportunity …"

Letters of Tolkien
 
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I was surprised once to read Tolkien leant a little towards anarchism in his later years.

“My political opinions lean more and more to Anarchy (philosophically understood, meaning the abolition of control not whiskered men with bombs) — or to ‘unconstitutional’ Monarchy. I would arrest anybody who uses the word State (in any sense other than the inaminate real of England and its inhabitants, a thing that has neither power, rights nor mind); and after a chance of recantation, execute them if they remained obstinate! If we could go back to personal names, it would do a lot of good.

Government is an abstract noun meaning the art and process of governing and it should be an offence to write it with a capital G or so to refer to people … The most improper job of any many, even saints (who at any rate were at least unwilling to take it on), is bossing other men. Not one in a million is fit for it, and least of all those who seek the opportunity …"

Letters of Tolkien


I would say Libertarian .

J.R.R Tolkien A Biography Of The Creator Of Middle earth and Libertarian
 
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I don't think Tolkien meant Anarchism in the sense we sometimes think of it -masked individuals running about on a rampage breaking shop windows, or throwing petrol bombs.

Here is another article about Tolkien's political views:

Anarcho-Monarchism | David Bentley Hart

However I am not sure I understand all Tolkien is quoted saying here.
 
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I don't think Tolkien meant Anarchism in the sense we sometimes think of it - the kind that surfaces around G8 summits - with masked individuals running about on a rampage breaking shop windows.

Here is another article about Tolkien's political views:

Anarcho-Monarchism | David Bentley Hart

However I am not sure I understand all Tolkien is quoted saying here.


Yes, he was not an anarchist. He was of the old catholic conservative philosophy most closely to american libertarianism. Allow me to post some on the subject.
 
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His Libertarian Worldview

A thinker far out of step with the rank and file intellectuals of his time and ours, the intellectual establishment of his day hated god and loved big brother. Tolkien loved god and hated big brother. Unlike many self appointed “radicals” in lockstep with spirit of the age, he was the true radical- the round peg in the square hole of modernity”
-Jonathan Witt and Jay W The Hobbit Party: The vision of freedom that Tolkien got and the west forgot.


Tolkien was an old-time catholic conservative and a libertarian monarchist of the medieval time period. Medieval Europe offered the longest lasting decentralized libertarian society that has been known. Medieval monarchies [before the modern idea of the state] of the medial period could not make laws, they just enforced them. As the American John Taylor said elections simply are us choosing what master [political party] will rule over us. And of course not all kings were good and many abused their power and this is portrayed in Middle earth on Tolkiens proper kingship.

Tolkien was a lifelong enemy of big government in every form, not just the harsher forms we find in soviet communism, German Nazism, or Italian fascism, but also as it manifested itself in British democratic socialism and the mongol state capitalism in other parts of the west. Where central governments collude with big business to squeeze out the up-and-comer and reward special interests. The novelist who described himself as a hobbit “in all but size” was socially and politically conservative even by hobbit standards, and his conservatism was closely bound up in his deeply christian, and specifically catholic, vision of man and creation””
-Jonathan Witt and Jay W The Hobbit Party: The vision of freedom that Tolkien got and the west forgot.


His political leanings were toward anarchy (abolition of control). He said, “The most improper job of any man, even saints, is bossing other men. Not one in a million is fit for it and least of all those who seek the opportunity.” He hated socialism, communism, and progressivism; he thought totalitarian governments and control were evil. Tolkien said that the evils of the world are mechanism, scientific materialism, and socialism. “It goes by many names but always ends in greater centralization political authority at the expense of individuals, families and the church.” He warned that if England and others were to adopt the up and coming socialism “It would reduce each nation to nothing more than a flock of timid and hardworking animals with the government as shepherds.” Tolkien viewed all men as fallen, including politicians we might elect and hope to bring about a better society. Tolkien said that in contrast to the politicians, “I am not a socialist in any sense....most of all because the planners when they acquire power become so bad.” He felt that as a devout traditional catholic, the lust for ultimate power in government was to try and place oneself in gods place. Tolkien was a strong advocate of creation care and a lover of God’s green earth; this is just part of the reason he hated totalitarian governments.

Diluting their followers with images of paradise in the future, a modernist utopia, but what one often gets... are the blasted landscapes of eastern Europe (Eastern European socialist countries that tried to obliterate private property), strip-mined, polluted, and even radioactive.”
-Tom Shippy, author of “J.R.R Tolkien: Author of the Century


In communist Russia as LOTR was banned as an anti-communist tract, [illegal copies were made and spread around] 1991 in Moscow anti-communist Russians held up a banner that read, “Frodo is with us” as Russian tanks closed in. Tolkien, his son said, “could not speak of income taxed without boiling over.” He was a strong supporter of private property. He agreed with the American founders that the need for moral culture to maintain freedom; believing only moral Christians could maintain freedom. He liked limited government and free society. He thought sin is the main reason we need government, yet also the reason to limit government. Tolkien did not like newspapers because they print false info. He was however, a former liberal. He said of his early life, “liberal darkness out of which I came knowing more about bloody Mary than the mother of Jesus.” However, starting in his 20's and until his death, he “was socially and politically conservative even by hobbit standards, and his conservatism was closely bound up in his deeply Christian and specifically catholic vision of man and creation.”

English Roman Catholics tended to distrust liberals and liberalism not only as anti-clerical but also as conformist and statist.”
-Bradley Birzer J.R.R Tolkien s Sanctifying Myth



The Shire a Libertarian Paradise

They have no written laws, no police [except a sheriff or two] nor any civil officers except for the mayor....this last little corner of unspoiled life within middle earth....they enjoy a virtually edenic exsistance...the life of the shire constitutes, in fact, Tolkien s vision of life as it is suppose to be”
-Ralph C Wood The Gospel According to Tolkien


Tolkien said that the importance of the political significance of LOTR was second only to the religious significance. The Shire was portrayed as being a favored form of government and of old time England when interviewed by the guardian on his childhood agrarian town of Sarehole mill [inspiration for the shire] he said “it was a kind of lost paradise.” As a libertarian, he created the Shire with “hardly any government.” The only police force would be volunteer sheriffs, who carried no weapons, and wore regular clothes. They did not police the shire, but guarded boarders; mostly returning stray animals and protecting private property. In the shire’s government “families for the most part managed their own affairs.” The Hobbits enjoyed total freedom from any authoritarian government control. There were no banks or bankers, stock markets or industry It was an libertarians dream system of an agrarian society led by country gentlemen like Bilbo, This is one of the main reasons for the attractiveness of the shire to modern readers and watchers of the movie.

No department of un-motorized vehicles, no internal revenue service, no government officials telling people who may and may not have laying hens in their backyards, no government schools lining up hobbit children in geometric rows to teach regimental behavior and group think, no government controlled currency, and no political institution even capable of collecting tariffs or foreign goods”
-Jonathan Witt and Jay W The Hobbit Party: The vision of freedom that Tolkien got and the west forgot



Scourge of the Shire Government Gone bad

Whereas before the shire enjoyed an easy going laissez faire regime, with maximum freedom and minimum government interference, the new regime operates through monstrous expanded restrictive rules, enforced by equally monstrously expanded military and par-military forces.... the purpose of government is plainly to maintain, consolidate, and expand its own power.”
-Robert Plank


Left out of the movie is the last section of the LOTR, the scourging of the Shire. It contains much on Tolkien’s view of government. It is a section that “conservatives and progressives alike have recognized this final portion of LOTR as a critique of modern socialism.” When the hobbits return, they find there libertarian paradise controlled by an oppressive socialist government led by Saruman, with Orcs and local evil men to help. No longer is it a peaceful happy paradise, the Shire and Hobbits are under government control. Those now controlling the Shire are referred to as “sharkey and the ruffians.”

The character of government is totally altered while its forms are not markedly changed. Before, the shire enjoyed easy going with max freedom and min government interference, the new regime operates through expanded restrictive rules, enforced by equally monstrously expanded military and para-military forces…the purpose of government is plainly to maintain, consolidate, and expand its own power.”
-Robert Plank, author of “The Scouring of the Shire: Tolkien’s view of fascism”


During the scourge there are groups of “gatherers and sharers...going around counting and measuring and taking off to storage, supposedly for “fair distribution.”” Yet it just ends with, as one hobbit says, “Them getting more and we get less.” The local farming community is gone as the ruffians take and store the food, pipe weed, and beer for themselves and turn the shire into an export agribusiness industrial public land owned economy. Few know own the and it is the ruffians and those hobbits who work with them such as Pimpe who buys up local small family farms. Tolkien, the lover of all things green, showed that when liberty and private property were secure in the Shire, the landscape was beautiful and gardened. But that was “all gone” due to “The gatherers and sharers.” The new government in the Shire controlled more and more; land, taxes, and regulations. The government killed off the hobbit farming community and replaced it with industry. Tolkien also condemned the greed driven government subsidies of modern capitalist nations. With examples such as lake town where

Overly cozy relationship between politicians and capitalist, we we call this cronyism” such arrangements diminish economic freedom for the many by expanding monopoly power and special access to the privileged few...undermines local economic patters by uniformity favoring big corporations”
-Jonathan Witt and Jay W The Hobbit Party: The vision of freedom that Tolkien got and the west forgot


Three characters...that illustrate the greed, destructive side of capitalism...Thorin Oakenshield, the money grubbing master of lake town and Smaug.... members of the powerful and privileged classes regularity have exploited those Benet them.”
-Jonathan Witt and Jay W The Hobbit Party: The vision of freedom that Tolkien got and the west forgot
 
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Ring of Power and Control

A free society isn't something nice if you can get it, it’s worth laboring, fighting and dying for. The reason free people of the west fight Mordor to preserve their freedom.”
--Jonathan Witt and Jay W The Hobbit Party: The vision of freedom that Tolkien got and the west forgot


Tolkien's single great message...power corrupts.”
-David Day The Battles of Tolkien Thunder Bay Press San Diego CA 2017


“”Its strength [the ring]...is to great for anyone to wield....the very desire of it corrupts the heart.”
-Gandalf


Tolkien was no moral or cultural relativist, Aragorn tells Eomer “Good and ill have not changed since yesteryear...nor are they one thing among elves and dwarves and another among men.” and in Morgoth's Ring “Evil is not one thing among elves and another among men. Those who give evil council or speak against the rulers [or if they dare, against the one] are evil and should be shunned.” The good guys in the book are called the “free peoples.” who follow Eru's [gods] design. while Melkor “wished himself to have subjects and servants, and to be called Lord, and to be a master over others wills.” Melkor was a “tyrant king with conquered slaves, and vast obedient armies.” in the fellowship of the ring Gandalf tells frodo Sauron would rather the hobbits be “misreabel slaves” than “happy and free”

And of the tyrant Sauron who wanted to control Middle earth Tolkien said in myths transformed “Sauron was not a “sincere” atheist [knowing Eru from creation] but he preached atheism, because it weekend resistance to himself.” and in letters 131 Tolkien said of Sauron as owning a “ evil theocracy for Sauron is also the God of his slaves.”

No with that power [the ring] I should have power too great and terrible...I do not wish to become like the Dark Lord himself.”
-Gandalf


Further Tolkien knew that complete power corrupts completely. Even Gandolf, with the power of the ring, would try to do good; but knew that good could turn into a evil, greater than that of Sauron. When Galadriel is offered the ring she says she would become “dreadful as the storm and the lightning stronger than the foundations of the earth.. in place of the dark lord you will set up a Queen” Sam says if she had the ring she would “set things right” she replied “I would, that is how it would begin, but it would not stop with that.” A warning to the people of his day and today is that even good intentions can end with evil when there is too much power and control. At the council of Elrond the “good guys” chose to destroy the ring rather than use its power; they reject the power to dominate. Tolkien said “the supremely bad motives, domination of others free wills.”

We must have power, power to order all things as we will, for that good witch only the wise can see.”
-Saruman to Gandalf


Tolkien uncovers what is surely the chief evil of our modern world...the assorted totalitarians of the previous century.”
-Ralph C Wood The Gospel According to Tolkien



Proper Kingship

Fourth age “Within the borders [of Aragorns reunited kingdom] of the realm were several peoples who were considered part of the kingdom, yet were allowed complete self-governance: the hobbits of the shire, the “wild men” of Drunadan forest, the ents at Isengard, Gimlie's dwarves of the glittering caves, and the elves from greenwood with legalas and Ithilien. The shire and the forest of Druadan were even forbidden entry by any folk other than their own. Nurn was given to the slaves of mordor, and peace was made with the haradrim and the Easterlings.” North of the reunited kingdom Mirkwood had been freed...the middle portion was given to the Beorings and the woodmen”
-Karen Wynn Fonstad The Atlas of Middel-Earth Revised Edition Hougton Miffin Company Boston NY


The worst form of government was the tyrant Sauron and his master melkor “the tyrant of Utummo.” The "free peoples" were often under a monarchy. If done correctly, a monarchy with the right king such as an Aragorn would provide secure freedom unlike a modern state that pits “groups” of people against each other. When Aragorn is king he leads a decentralized kingdom and offers complete autonomy to various people. Other smaller nations were allowed to exists without conquest and capture. Aragorn a proper king allowed freedom and did not force his will on his people instead he led them. While the steward Denthaor sought to rule his people. Another proper leader is Tom Bombadil

Tom Bombadil is the master but not the lord of anything”
-Goldberry


He is the master of his forest and has power and authority over all within, yet he never seeks to control those under his command. As Tolkien says of tom he has

No desire for possession or domination at all.”
-Letters 192


Treebeard offers another example of a leader.

As the leading ent, it appears Treebeard does have some degree of authority over the others. However, he does not merely order the other ents about, and by permitting them their autonomy, his style of leadership and exercise of authority are more comparable with our expectations of how this brought to be....Treebeard does not wait for someone else- another ent- to do something, he leads in his speech and in his actions....he acts, he sets an example, and others follow.”
-Matthew Dickerson and Jonathan Evans Ents Elves and Eriador the Environmental Vision of L.R.R Tolkien University of Kentucky Press 2011


Fall of Numonor and Gondor

Tolkien, the traditionalist, was of the opinion that society at large was falling away from faith and morality. He said “modern life, mordor in our mists.” He said “This is a fallen world....the world has been going to the bad all through the ages.” This was reflected in his book. Gondor, he said, “was a more primitive culture, less corrupt and Noble.” What led to the fall of Numonor was its form of government and its stance against life. Sauron led the rebellion first against Eru. In letters 131 Sauron “denies the exsistance of God, saying that the one[ Eru] is a mere invention of the jealous valar of the west.” and started a counterfeit religion persecuting the faithful. They destroyed the places of worship and public memorials to Eru and the valar, and replaced them with what became a human sacrifice area [of the faithful to eru and the noldor] to Morgoth. Sauron led them to anger and violence against each other and those who had vast materiel objects against those who had not. They worshiped wealth, power, pleasure, and materialism. The government no longer served its people as it should, but it became a place where the people were instead forced to serve the government. The kings of Numonor became “Proud men eager for wealth.” “They appeared now rather as lords and masters and gatherers of tribute than as helpers and teachers.” In time, “They hunted men and took their goods and enslaved them.”

The cultural decline in the third age of Gondor resulted in lower fertility rates. Just as what was happening in England with the increase hostility to life during Tolkien’s time. Tolkien, who was pro life [Sam Gamgee had 13 kids], warned of the danger of such philosophy. Gondor’s decline was because of the lack of children. Gandalf said that Minis Tirith was already lacking half the men that could dwell at ease there and that many houses of great families “Were silent.” “For more than a thousand years the Dunadain grew in wealth and power, yet the signs of decay had than already appeared, for the high men of the south married late, and their children were few....childless lords sat in aged halls and the last king of the line of Anario had no heir.” The Ents are another example of what happens with lack of fertility due to culture decline.
 
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Thanks, thats in the article you linked to, which I did read some of.

I think both terms can be somewhat problematic, libertarian and anarchism. But maybe libertarian is less liable to misunderstanding? I don't know. What would his views on authority be, most libertarians are skeptical of authority. Tolkien obviously had complex and nuanced views on politics, and labeling him one thing or another may miss some of those nuances, and create the wrong impression. I think he is best understood in his own words therefore.
 
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