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During a tense town hall, staff cried and expressed dismay with the publishing giant's decision to publish 'Beyond Order: 12 More Rules for Life.'

Several Penguin Random House Canada employees confronted management about the company’s decision to publish a new book by controversial Canadian psychologist Jordan Peterson at an emotional town hall Monday, and dozens more have filed anonymous complaints, according to four workers who spoke to VICE World News.

“He is an icon of hate speech and transphobia and the fact that he’s an icon of white supremacy, regardless of the content of his book, I’m not proud to work for a company that publishes him,” a junior employee who is a member of the LGBTQ community and who attended the town hall told VICE World News.


Another employee said “people were crying in the meeting about how Jordan Peterson has affected their lives.” They said one co-worker discussed how Peterson had radicalized their father and another talked about how publishing the book will negatively affect their non-binary friend.


“The company since June has been doing all these anti-racist and allyship things and them publishing Peterson’s book completely goes against this. It just makes all of their previous efforts seem completely performative,” the employee added.

A third employee told VICE World News the company’s diversity and inclusion committee received at least 70 anonymous messages about Peterson’s book, and only a couple are in favour of the decision to publish it.

Penguin Random House Staff Confront Publisher About New Jordan Peterson Book

This seems to be more about who the author is rather than the content of the book.

The publishers, however, seem committed to publishing the book.

Collins opened the meeting by talking about how Peterson has “helped millions of people who are on the fringes of society who would otherwise be radicalized by alt-right groups,” according to one of the four employees who spoke to VICE World News.

“She was trying to kind of spin it as a positive to be publishing this book,” the employee said.

“(But) he’s the one who’s responsible for radicalizing and causing this surge of alt-right groups, especially on university campuses.”


The employee said Collins noted her background in journalism and that it’s important to be publishing “a variety of voices.”

The last two minutes of this video, starting from 10:47 explains why censoring those we disagree with is bad.

"If you think someone has a bad, offensive or even violent idea, let them express it. Because without it being public, it has no opposition. The way we rid the world of bad ideas is not by silencing them. It's by discussing them."

Censoring opinions or ideas you disagree with just takes these opinions and ideas underground, where they can fester, unchallenged. It also creates the Streisand Effect.

Dr Peterson has asked for people not to harass the employees.
https://twitter.com/jordanbpeterson/status/1332402436246556672



 

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During a tense town hall, staff cried and expressed dismay with the publishing giant's decision to publish 'Beyond Order: 12 More Rules for Life.'

Several Penguin Random House Canada employees confronted management about the company’s decision to publish a new book by controversial Canadian psychologist Jordan Peterson at an emotional town hall Monday, and dozens more have filed anonymous complaints, according to four workers who spoke to VICE World News.

“He is an icon of hate speech and transphobia and the fact that he’s an icon of white supremacy, regardless of the content of his book, I’m not proud to work for a company that publishes him,” a junior employee who is a member of the LGBTQ community and who attended the town hall told VICE World News.

Another employee said “people were crying in the meeting about how Jordan Peterson has affected their lives.” They said one co-worker discussed how Peterson had radicalized their father and another talked about how publishing the book will negatively affect their non-binary friend.


“The company since June has been doing all these anti-racist and allyship things and them publishing Peterson’s book completely goes against this. It just makes all of their previous efforts seem completely performative,” the employee added.

A third employee told VICE World News the company’s diversity and inclusion committee received at least 70 anonymous messages about Peterson’s book, and only a couple are in favour of the decision to publish it.

Penguin Random House Staff Confront Publisher About New Jordan Peterson Book

This seems to be more about who the author is rather than the content of the book.

The publishers, however, seem committed to publishing the book.

Collins opened the meeting by talking about how Peterson has “helped millions of people who are on the fringes of society who would otherwise be radicalized by alt-right groups,” according to one of the four employees who spoke to VICE World News.

“She was trying to kind of spin it as a positive to be publishing this book,” the employee said.

“(But) he’s the one who’s responsible for radicalizing and causing this surge of alt-right groups, especially on university campuses.”


The employee said Collins noted her background in journalism and that it’s important to be publishing “a variety of voices.”

The last two minutes of this video, starting from 10:47 explains why censoring those we disagree with is bad.

"If you think someone has a bad, offensive or even violent idea, let them express it. Because without it being public, it has no opposition. The way we rid the world of bad ideas is not by silencing them. It's by discussing them."

Censoring opinions or ideas you disagree with just takes these opinions and ideas underground, where they can fester, unchallenged. It also creates the Streisand Effect.

Dr Peterson has asked for people not to harass the employees.
https://twitter.com/jordanbpeterson/status/1332402436246556672


Dr Peterson is exactly the voice that the Western world needs. The desperate attempts to silence him prove that beyond doubt. Ben Shapiro is another who is prepared to take on the "woke", PC and illiberal lefties who are intent on destroying Western culture. Don't be fooled. If the forces of the left get their way, the church is next in line for their attempts to stifle free expression.
 
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"If you think someone has a bad, offensive or even violent idea, let them express it. Because without it being public, it has no opposition. The way we rid the world of bad ideas is not by silencing them. It's by discussing them."
Whilte this quote shows a noble idea, I don't think it holds true anymore. Ideas, good or bad, are no longer discussed in the way that this assumes they are. There is very little public discourse between certain ideas, to find out together which idea is better, where the flaws are and how a better idea might be distilled from the good parts of opposing views.

Rather, today the marketplace of idea is closed. People pick and choose the ideas they like and then seek out likeminded people in various social forums, both online and offline, to "discuss" those ideas. This is no discussion to find any flaws or improve, but rather a positive feedback loop in an echo chamber that serves nothing but to reaffirm the participants in the discussion that they were "right all along". The more affirming material is introduced into those echo chambers, the more extreme those views become. Any opposing views that might wander into those echo chambers are quickly shouted down, ridiculed and otherwise not seriously examined and debated, but also only serve to enforce cohesion of ideas.
 
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My understanding of mr Peterson is that he holds ideas that a lot of people think are toxic and or inaccurate . I’ve never read anything by him so I honestly don’t know . He’s a self help guru who’s a serious drug addict which tells me that he can’t follow his own advice. I’m not interested
 
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IMHO, the furor over Peterson is a bit ridiculous. In every interview I've watched of his, he's always come across as polite and respectful. While I don't agree with everything he says, he doesn't come across as this alt-right monster that some people make him out to be.

The hype over his alleged transphobia was simply a result over his concern about the implications of a hate speech bill and whether it could compel people (legally) to have to refer to people by certain pronouns.
 
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He’s a self help guru who’s a serious drug addict which tells me that he can’t follow his own advice.

FWIW, he does have a legit PhD in clinical psychology and has a real clinical practice. This puts him above a typical "self help guru", imho.
 
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Ben Shapiro is another who is prepared to take on the "woke", PC and illiberal lefties who are intent on destroying Western culture.

It's quite a stretch to claim that leftists are intent on "destroying Western culture". IMHO, there is way too much fearmongering and hype from both sides on this.
 
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Dr Peterson is exactly the voice that the Western world needs. The desperate attempts to silence him prove that beyond doubt. Ben Shapiro is another who is prepared to take on the "woke", PC and illiberal lefties who are intent on destroying Western culture. Don't be fooled. If the forces of the left get their way, the church is next in line for their attempts to stifle free expression.
The "church" had better look to itself before claiming that other groups are trying to stifle free expression.
 
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IMHO, the furor over Peterson is a bit ridiculous. In every interview I've watched of his, he's always come across as polite and respectful. While I don't agree with everything he says, he doesn't come across as this alt-right monster that some people make him out to be.

Peterson's mostly just a bloviator. Everything he says goes on forever. A lot of post-modern blather tossed in. Though listening to him answer the question "Do you believe in God?" is quite hilarious, though lengthy?

His book seems to be mostly the same sort of self-help pablum that we've been hearing from decades from such books.
 
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Whilte this quote shows a noble idea, I don't think it holds true anymore. Ideas, good or bad, are no longer discussed in the way that this assumes they are. There is very little public discourse between certain ideas, to find out together which idea is better, where the flaws are and how a better idea might be distilled from the good parts of opposing views.

Rather, today the marketplace of idea is closed. People pick and choose the ideas they like and then seek out likeminded people in various social forums, both online and offline, to "discuss" those ideas. This is no discussion to find any flaws or improve, but rather a positive feedback loop in an echo chamber that serves nothing but to reaffirm the participants in the discussion that they were "right all along". The more affirming material is introduced into those echo chambers, the more extreme those views become. Any opposing views that might wander into those echo chambers are quickly shouted down, ridiculed and otherwise not seriously examined and debated, but also only serve to enforce cohesion of ideas.
You are correct, which is why it is vital to permit people like Ben Shapiro (if you can follow his machine gun speaking style) and Jordan Peterson space to speak. They both have a great deal of support, which is encouraging. Some at least are not following the left wing lemmings over the cliff. However, the establishment is increasingly left wing itself and so shuts down so-called conservatives (hardly a fair description of Jordan Peterson) and denies them the opportunity to present opposing views.
 
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It's quite a stretch to claim that leftists are intent on "destroying Western culture". IMHO, there is way too much fearmongering and hype from both sides on this.
The leftist rabble that shouts down Shapiro and Peterson reminds me of the crowds cheering on Hitler. Goebbels convinced the Germans that it was quite acceptable to commit genocide against Jews. The attempts to silence Peterson and Shapiro have the same mob mentality. I hope that democracy is robust enough to withstand the assault. When the education system churns out leftists like a sausage machine, and those leftists are the future of a nation, I have serious concerns. And we are losing the ability to disagree agreeably. There is little tolerance for dissent from either left or right. I see this in the USA happening now. The "united" bit of the USA looks pretty shaky right now. The left are better organised and more entrenched. I think that if the present trajectory is unchanged, leftist groupthink will prevail.
 
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You are correct, which is why it is vital to permit people like Ben Shapiro (if you can follow his machine gun speaking style) and Jordan Peterson space to speak. They both have a great deal of support, which is encouraging. Some at least are not following the left wing lemmings over the cliff. However, the establishment is increasingly left wing itself and so shuts down so-called conservatives (hardly a fair description of Jordan Peterson) and denies them the opportunity to present opposing views.
It's nice to see that you and yours are real free thinkers, not like those leftist lemmings.
 
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During a tense town hall, staff cried and expressed dismay with the publishing giant's decision to publish 'Beyond Order: 12 More Rules for Life.'

Several Penguin Random House Canada employees confronted management about the company’s decision to publish a new book by controversial Canadian psychologist Jordan Peterson at an emotional town hall Monday, and dozens more have filed anonymous complaints, according to four workers who spoke to VICE World News.

“He is an icon of hate speech and transphobia and the fact that he’s an icon of white supremacy, regardless of the content of his book, I’m not proud to work for a company that publishes him,” a junior employee who is a member of the LGBTQ community and who attended the town hall told VICE World News.

Another employee said “people were crying in the meeting about how Jordan Peterson has affected their lives.” They said one co-worker discussed how Peterson had radicalized their father and another talked about how publishing the book will negatively affect their non-binary friend.


“The company since June has been doing all these anti-racist and allyship things and them publishing Peterson’s book completely goes against this. It just makes all of their previous efforts seem completely performative,” the employee added.

A third employee told VICE World News the company’s diversity and inclusion committee received at least 70 anonymous messages about Peterson’s book, and only a couple are in favour of the decision to publish it.

Penguin Random House Staff Confront Publisher About New Jordan Peterson Book

This seems to be more about who the author is rather than the content of the book.

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"If you think someone has a bad, offensive or even violent idea, let them express it. Because without it being public, it has no opposition. The way we rid the world of bad ideas is not by silencing them. It's by discussing them."



I knew where this was going after the first couple of sentences of this post. It's a book. Don't like it? Don't read it. Problem solved. There are many books out there that many find problematic for various reasons. So what?

So over "Everyone who disagrees with me is (disparaging labels follow)." That sort of victimization mentality really needs to be eliminated. Disagree all you want. Write your own book to refute it.

The quote at the end is so obvious that it is astonishing that there are elements who cannot see this, who believe that "crying" and censoring ideas they don't like are the answer. That's how we got into this mess in this country, that this nonsense was allowed to proliferate, even on college campuses, for goodness sakes, where you are SUPPOSED to be introduced to and engage with various ideas.
 
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Peterson's mostly just a bloviator. Everything he says goes on forever. A lot of post-modern blather tossed in. Though listening to him answer the question "Do you believe in God?" is quite hilarious, though lengthy?

His book seems to be mostly the same sort of self-help pablum that we've been hearing from decades from such books.
So why the furore? If you get past the length of his responses, he can be devastating to the PC brigade - and that's why they want to shut him down. He brought the BBC interviewer Cathy Newman to the point where she could not speak. That is probably the first time in her career that she was lost for words. Anything that shuts up the hyperfeminist, anti male, anti anything not leftist, is a delight to me. And what Peterson said was entirely correct. That's why Newman had no response.
 
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Whilte this quote shows a noble idea, I don't think it holds true anymore. Ideas, good or bad, are no longer discussed in the way that this assumes they are. There is very little public discourse between certain ideas, to find out together which idea is better, where the flaws are and how a better idea might be distilled from the good parts of opposing views.

Rather, today the marketplace of idea is closed. People pick and choose the ideas they like and then seek out likeminded people in various social forums, both online and offline, to "discuss" those ideas. This is no discussion to find any flaws or improve, but rather a positive feedback loop in an echo chamber that serves nothing but to reaffirm the participants in the discussion that they were "right all along". The more affirming material is introduced into those echo chambers, the more extreme those views become. Any opposing views that might wander into those echo chambers are quickly shouted down, ridiculed and otherwise not seriously examined and debated, but also only serve to enforce cohesion of ideas.
Well, not amongst reasonable and rational people, but I get your point. There are few groups with a majority of rational and reasonable people.
 
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Well, not amongst reasonable and rational people, but I get your point. There are few groups with a majority of rational and reasonable people.
Do you mean rational and reasonable people as in they agree with your bias, or objectively rational and reasonable people?
 
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Do you mean rational and reasonable people as in they agree with your bias, or objectively rational and reasonable people?
Rational and reasonable people who can discuss ideas with which they do not agree, and why, instead of getting angry and hurling ad hominems, like most. Those rational and reasonable people. I rarely find them.
 
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