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BOC’s Extremely Ambitious Concentrations

Discussion in 'Pentecostal & Assemblies of God' started by rocknanchor, Sep 11, 2019 at 3:06 AM.

  1. rocknanchor

    rocknanchor How the Lord Hears You - James 4:3 Supporter

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    The Body of Christ, otherwise known as The Church of the Lord Jesus Christ. How delightful it is to contemplate we who make up that Body, are members of an institution that is commonly known as the severely un-common prophesy surrounding the growth and future of this organization, the “Church”, the Bride of Christ.

    “Let us rejoice and be glad and give the glory to Him, for the marriage of the Lamb has come and His bride has made herself ready.” It was given to her to clothe herself in fine linen, bright and clean; for the fine linen is the righteous acts of the saints.”

    (Revelation 19:7,8)​

    Before I embark on the concentrations, let it be known concerning my choice of wording in the title, specifically “Ambitious”. Like no other, this little feature has really run the gamut, hasn’t it, the abusive context of such would equate to being; ‘The World’s First!’

    That is not what I am referring to, but rather that Apostolic ensample we surely have,

    “But by the grace of God I am what I am, and His grace toward me was not in vain; but I labored more abundantly than they all, yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me, , For by the grace given me I say to every one of you: Do not think of yourself more highly than you ought, but rather think of yourself with sober judgment, in accordance with the faith God has distributed to each of you.”

    (1 Corinthians 15:10, Romans 12:3)​

    Do you exhibit this? Do you know of anyone remotely close to exhibiting this? That’s hard to pin down, isn’t it? It would be easier to agree to evident fruit than it would to the mounting accomplishments of any one group or individual.

    I must admit here, we are almost to the point of over-asphyxiating ourselves on points that divide the Body, which for consecration’s profit for the frailty of the “Unity of the Spirit” and the shape of such a thing, the nearest sort to grow within that unity which is as the world looks on; held by a thread would be to remain in the “quiet, peaceable lives” context.

    Still yet, 2 Timothy 3:16 does not remain entirely quiet, does it? She must continue, this Body of believers must utilize with all temperate kindness, an exactness to root-out the old leavening of ‘The World’s First’ spirit of achievement being brought to light of such “correction”.

    One particular favorite of mine that likely grieves the Holy Ghost the most is that outlived approach to understanding those “times of refreshing” from the Lord, to which I will forego for the time commenting on.

    Any others that are correctable so She can resume growth?
     
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  2. Aussie Pete

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    Not to be picky, but the church is a body (as you say), not an organisation. We are so far from the New Testament pattern of church life that we are barely recognisable. However, Lord Jesus is building His church, and I have every confidence that our best efforts cannot stop Him.
     
  3. rocknanchor

    rocknanchor How the Lord Hears You - James 4:3 Supporter

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    Thank you A-Pete!

    Oh-hallelujah, we have been given pass then somehow and Paul can restore praise to her, making the dis-unity within of no consequence (sarc)?

    “I praise you for remembering me in everything and for holding to the traditions just as I passed them on to you. But, , In the following directives I have no praise for you, for your meetings do more harm than good. In the first place, I hear that when you come together as a church, there are divisions among you, , “

    (1 Corinthians 11:2,3,17,18)​

    So the Lord Jesus will willingly overlook this “directive” He penned in the first place and hand her that glorious spot just ahead anyhow?

    You seem to conveniently forget one critical aspect I referenced in my opener, , it is not as you say, told the Lord alone will cause the glorious Church to come into existence,

    “, , the fine linen is the righteous acts of the saints.”

    (Revelation 19:8)​

    Without them, yes, the Church will survive under the need of a change out of these disorderly, filthy clothes. Let's stay on track please, ,
     
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  4. Aussie Pete

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    Are you saying that mere mortals can thwart the purpose of God? I don't think so. I don't know what it will take. Maybe the kind of persecution commonplace in China or North Korea. My Bible says that the plan and purpose of God cannot be thwarted. It will happen and it will happen with the cooperation of the Body of Christ. You may want to check out Watchman Nee, "God's Plan and the Overcomers". That is how it will come to pass. Another book, "The Glorious Church" also most enlightening.
     
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  5. rocknanchor

    rocknanchor How the Lord Hears You - James 4:3 Supporter

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    I don’t understand. You are asking me to trifle these references, the very word of God on the matter? If the authors you mentioned are also endangering their handling of the word, I couldn’t also count on much of a rebuttal.
     
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    The attention here is deafening and we know why. By His doors of appropriate suffering/loss in hope of gaining significant grace, I may by His will define more significance. Would that be okay to you and the Holy Spirit? This question isn’t likely what would be welcome at this point, nor troublesome underscoring in the word. It all matters not if already snubbed, there’s only something to be gained against even the most heated choice of abatement.

    Regardless whether there is a well-banked sum of visits to this subject and zip to show for it, the Lord showed me yesterday “There is your next concentration Mike.”, rejection of the defining will of a loving God.

    You know how it goes, nothing has changed, they might not like to admit it, but the BOC still calls the shots; it can either choose to find itself being confirmed and blessed in heavenly places from glory to glory that comes from walking in the truth, , or walking in denial while still yet carrying the scent of praise on the lip.

    Just as it says, one comes together in accordance with the word to the “power” of the Lord, while another unfortunate choice is capable of coming together “for worse”! Because blindness convinces correction is misplaced, what else but that the message is cut, and the messenger once again snubbed.

    But even though the BOC is in control and the prophesy will not fail nor the “gates” prevail, but also consider, the race is won by “one”, not by many and not by one, but “one” who consist of “many” will receive the prize of success, if that is, the race is run steadfast. She won’t fail, albeit unwilling to discuss for the time is an apparent favor to dismiss the “worse” cause of her misery.

    As with the exchange at a camp meeting that took place years ago the ministry in song came and blessed us with,

    “The Church is Alive and Well”

    Then as the first words to proceed from the well liked (Pentecostal and Non-P) brother James Robison, “I’m sorry Steve, the Church is alive, but she isn’t well.”
     
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    Spell it out in one simple context? Okay,

    Today's BOC distrusts selective claims to truth.
     
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    Lest it is forgotten (again) who makes her the Church ready by "acts" on earth, thanks and glory be to God!
     
  9. Aussie Pete

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    I'd like to respond but I am not clear as to what you are getting at.
     
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    rocknanchor How the Lord Hears You - James 4:3 Supporter

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    Hello Pete,

    Sure! Post six is referring to a comment of mine definitively described in paragraph two, The Church’s selective dismissal of the defining will of God which is determined by the word of God.

    But if you're going to respond, let’s also remember two other things; number one, it is not what I am saying at all (see above). Two, I am confirming the fact that the Church itself chooses to move and regulate itself according to it’s own disposition, either with or without attention to His word resulting in for the better or worse.

    The corridors of time say ‘Amen!’ to the former. Today, this thread is unfortunately more telling of the later.
     
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    The clarion call of 2 Timothy 4:3 to all is this: What God sets in order is fully invested by the Spirit of God in those He equips to see accuracy, unlike the “notion of a teacher was not one who should instruct their mind or guide their conduct, but one who should gratify their æsthetic sense.” - Expositor's Greek

    Hence, the choice of this threads title, ‘Extremely Ambitious’ may or may not pay due diligence to accuracy, just an effort to identify any good or bad persuasion yet capable to influence the flock.
     
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    What is a Church of Christ, praise His holy name, but that we did "REPENT, and we did TURN TO GOD, so that our sins would be wiped out and that the TIMES OF REFRESHING may come upon us from the Lord?

    So, whether it’s to exhibit thanksgiving and praise, if fortunate to find received the flowing times of refreshing from Him, or, the predominate objective to celebrate the turning of our captivity, which can and should co-exist, but over-ambition for one of these often conceals this apart from the other in many sectors of the Body including Pentecostalism. To excel towards both – refreshing and turning is the correct and Biblical preference.

    IMO, this describes two areas that confines some congregants to one or the other.
     
  13. Aussie Pete

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    You have a way with words. I find it somewhate verbose, but that's my problem. I agree with you (I think).
     
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    rocknanchor How the Lord Hears You - James 4:3 Supporter

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    Another continual and widespread attribute one is confronted with after conversion but that has nothing to do with accuracy, is an instruction that is ensconced in doubt of the Christian who did “become new”! Understanding, conversion to maturity is a vast process, but some folks don’t think it applies at any point at all.

    I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you;
    I will remove your heart of stone and give you a heart of flesh.


    Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creation:
    old things are passed away; behold,
    all things are become new.


    We therefore were buried with Him through baptism into death, in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may walk in newness of life.

    For neither circumcision nor uncircumcision
    means anything. What counts is a new creation.


    and to put on the new self, created to be
    like God in true righteousness and holiness.


    Ezekiel 36:26, 2 Corinthians 5:17, Romans 6:4, Galatians 6:15, Ephesians 4:24

    Not only in reference to sin is the old passed away and everything become new, , as well as to the whole tendency of disposition and will. - Meyer
     
  15. Aussie Pete

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    Absolutely.
     
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    rocknanchor How the Lord Hears You - James 4:3 Supporter

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    Of course, how could we exclude without first mentioning the greatest of all concentration within the Body but for what the Lord has done for her? So much so, it rises and has fixed itself far above any denomination, except for one, the unity of the Spirit.

    While it goes on to say in the bond of peace (Ephesians 4:3), no one here in their right mind can say that peace remains intact. They will gladly admit hope or prefer or even straightened as far as their denoms. will solemnly allow, but while the world knows not, the fundamental faith that remains solidly bound together at the cross, it has unfortunately been handed a truckload of reason to infer we distance any affectionate preference for one another.

    I present to you, “exhibit-A”; this thread.

    Anyone tempted to see that as anything other than that same affectionate love is indeed not in their right mind!
     
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