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Blue wave continues to grow

Discussion in 'General Politics' started by The Barbarian, Nov 10, 2018.

  1. Hieronymus

    Hieronymus Well-Known Member

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    evidence of substantial voter fraud.
    It's under investigation.
     
  2. sfs

    sfs Senior Member

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    I'll repeat: what evidence? Under investigation by whom?
     
  3. The Barbarian

    The Barbarian Crabby Old White Guy

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    We all get it how it works.
     
  4. The Barbarian

    The Barbarian Crabby Old White Guy

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    It's vague. Just a way to prepare a case, if they happen to lose the election.
     
  5. expos4ever

    expos4ever Well-Known Member

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    You are evading.

    Please Either defend your initial claim or admit you made it up.

    Silence, obviously, will be interpreted in one way only. And that will not reflect well on you.
     
  6. ItIsFinished!

    ItIsFinished! Jesus Christ is our only hope.

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    This blue splash is getting me slightly wet.
    I must dry off with the truth.
     
  7. Hieronymus

    Hieronymus Well-Known Member

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    I don't think so.
     
  8. Veritas

    Veritas 1 Lord, 1 Faith, 1 Baptism

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    Obama lost 63 seats. Now that's pathetic. Trump by comparison has done quite well.
     
  9. The Barbarian

    The Barbarian Crabby Old White Guy

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    Closer to 40 seats now. The 7+ governships Trump lost will hurt even worse, as we are coming up to redistricting time, and those states will have a much harder time rigging districts to favor republicans.

    And that matters; 2016 election, if there was no Gerrymandering, the democrats would have taken the House.

    Without rigged districts, the republicans are in big trouble.
     
  10. Aldebaran

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    The president doesn't lose governorships. They aren't even a federal office.
     
  11. The Barbarian

    The Barbarian Crabby Old White Guy

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    He lost at least seven this go-round.

    Many States' Governor's Races Become Proxy Battle Over Trump

    President Donald Trump's endorsement helped several Republican candidates for governor in their party primaries, but the general election will test how that support translates to all voters.
    Trump's relative unpopularity is another challenge for Republicans, who already were bracing for tough governor's races this year after having unprecedented success during former President Barack Obama's tenure.


    Republicans have dominated state elections across the country since 2010, the first midterm election after Obama took office. Even after losing in New Jersey last year, Republicans hold a near-record 33 governor's offices compared to 16 for Democrats (Alaska's governor is an independent).


    Most of the races expected to be close this year are in states where Republicans currently serve as governor. In addition to Michigan, swing states that include Florida, Maine, Nevada and Ohio have open seats where the current GOP incumbent is termed out. Incumbent Republicans are locked in tough races in Arizona and Wisconsin, drawing millions of dollars in independent expenditures....

    Why does it matter? Aside from holding executive powers and overseeing state agencies, governors in many states can approve or veto the maps drawn once a decade for congressional and state legislative seats. That process determines which party will hold political power for years to come.


    The next round of redistricting will happen after the 2020 Census, giving governors who win this year the ability to approve or veto the new maps.


    An arcane process typically of interest to political insiders, redistricting has rocketed to national attention in the past two years. Republicans seized control of state legislatures and governor's offices in 2010 and proceeded to draw districts heavily favoring their party in many states, even those where voter registration is about equally split between Democrats and Republicans.


    That process, called gerrymandering, has given Republicans outsized influence in Congress and state legislatures, and it's a dynamic Democrats hope to begin reversing by retaking governor's offices.


    "People recognized that if we were going to have some bastion of protection for civil rights, it's to have a check on Donald Trump," Washington Gov. Jay Inslee, chairman of the Democratic Governors Association, said in an interview. "And the only way to do that is to stop this gerrymandering."


    His group is targeting eight states where governors have a redistricting role. It believes flipping the governor from a Republican to a Democrat would put the party in position to pick up 20 seats in the U.S. House of Representatives with the next maps.
    https://www.usnews.com/news/politic...rnors-races-trump-emerges-as-a-defining-issue

    By campaigning for governors, Trump put his credibility with the voters into governor's races. Which pleases the democrats very much.


     
  12. The Barbarian

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    Trump suffered the worst midterm loss in a century, says JP Morgan
    Investment bankers may have spent last night watching online election trackers with the rest of us, but the morning after, they can fire up their spreadsheets and take a shot at telling us what it all means.

    JP Morgan Asset and Wealth Management’s Michael Cembalest took a look at the vote results (pdf). Adjusted for the strength of the economy, he says they represent the worst performance for a president’s party since 1918. He graced us with this chart:

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    “There have been large midterm swings before, but usually when markets were bad, when the economy was bad, or both,” Cembalest writes. “The chart tells the story: midterm House seats lost since 1910 are shown alongside changes in inflation, employment, equity markets and home prices. Based on the hand the GOP started with, they should probably have been able to retain the House. Sometimes, however, money can’t buy you love.”

    Political scientists say that economic performance is an important factor for election results, with a strong economy generally protecting incumbents. In the chart above, you can see that in action—usually happy workers (strong labor markets) or happy investors (strong asset markets) will buoy the party in power. When things go south in one or both quadrants, they take big losses.

    You can also see in the chart that voters respond to more than simply economic fundamentals—see 1994 or 2006. But it’s surprising to see a loss of more than 30 seats at a time when economic indicators suggest boom times. It might also suggest that the indicators aren’t fully capturing the lived experience of many voters at a time of high economic inequality.
    Trump suffered the worst midterm loss in a century, says JP Morgan

    Morgan suggests that if the economy continues to do well, Trump might be hard to beat in 2020 anyway.
     
  13. No Swansong

    No Swansong Formerly Jtbdad Christian on every board!

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    What evidence my friend? I've read accusations, I've not read of any actual evidence.
     
  14. Hieronymus

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    When i come across a link i'll post it.

    Latest X22Report video on Youtube is very informative.

    Boomerang Suicide.
    They apparently let them commit fraud, incriminating themselves.
    Trump warned them in a Tweet before the midterm elections.
    Wonder how it will play out.
    Could take some time to build cases.
     
  15. The Barbarian

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    Ah, You Tube. So it must be true.
     
  16. Aldebaran

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    That's quite some math there!
    Clinton lost the House and Senate in 1994. Trump lost the House, while the Senate actually gained seats for Republicans in 2018.
    Even more recently, someone else lost even more. But I'm sure it will be called a "whataboutism" in order to brush it away: Under Obama, Democrats suffer largest loss in power since Eisenhowe...
     
  17. The Barbarian

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    Yep. It reflects the history of midterm elections. Normally, under a good economy, the party in the WH does very well. When the economy is really bad, the party in the WH does very badly. So it's not surprising that coming out of the Great Recession, the democrats lost a lot of seats. It's very surprising that in the 8th year of an economic expansion, Trump took a beating like that.

    It's a deviation from what we would expect to see.
     
  18. Aldebaran

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    I noticed how you conveniently ignored the vast majority of my post where I showed your information to be in error. Here it is again for you to try addressing:
     
  19. Hieronymus

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    Yeah, i know you won't watch. ;)
     
  20. The Barbarian

    The Barbarian Crabby Old White Guy

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    I just showed you why Trump's large losses in the midterms are unexpected. Normally, when the economy is doing well, the president's party does well. Normally, when the economy is bad, the president's party does poorly. Hence, as the J.P. Morgan analysis shows, Obama's losses were expected, but Trumps losses were much worse than expected.

    We're presently in the 8th year of an economic expansion. If that falters, the next election... well, you know.
     
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