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BLM are self described Marxists

Discussion in 'American Politics' started by WonbyOneanddone, Oct 17, 2020.

  1. WonbyOneanddone

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    Does this trouble anyone?

    It should. Marxism has murdered far more people than any other ideology, including fascism and Nazism.

    And as Christians well know, Marxism has murdered many of their own.

    What is baffling to me is, why is it PC to be a Marxist then but not a Nazi or neo-Nazi.

    Don't get me wrong, it should not be PC to be either. Both are one in the same if you ask me.
     
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  2. Chrystal-J

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    It's a form of Saul Alinsky "organizing". They hate America and want to destroy it by being critical of it. They're finally showing their true colors by coming out as Marxists.
    This documentary shows that process:
     
  3. Brightmoon

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    Stuff and nonsense. BLM wants to stop non-judicial murders of Black men and women by the police. It’s well known that white neonazis and their ilk are encouraged to join the police and military . Who cares if BLM are Marxists or not . That is not why they’re protesting as it’s not illegal to join political party of your choice . But extra judicial murders of minorities are a big problem and that what they’re protesting against .
     
  4. timothyu

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    Some day this manipulation of Blacks into believing they have never gained the freedoms MLK got for them in order to attain votes, is going to blow up in the Lefts faces. Couple the Marxists with what used to be a non militant Black Muslim movement of 50 years but is now radicalizing, Antifa, and worst of all the Outrage Culture of whiny whites and soon cities begin to fall to a point where the Left holds out on helping the covid unemployed with cash infusion until they can fit in enough cash to bail out these protest cities. They are losing control and the people are becoming truly nuts. This coming from a guy who understood the 60's tried to build something, while these folks are tearing everything down.
     
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    Here's a passage from their website: "Join the Movement to fight for Freedom, Liberation and Justice"

    If that's not God's liberation, freedom, and justice, then it already becomes susceptible to Satan
     
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    Hopefully Cory Booker won't become US president.
     
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    It was a problem 50 years ago for counter-culture whites also. But you will notice after their original complaint which does not cover the hundreds weekly deaths at the hands of black on black.. it turns to the cities complaining about police and teachers unions. A lot of misdirection and destruction to union bash and use these protesters for political purposes and gain..
     
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  8. timothyu

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    God isn't about self interest. These folks and their masters use the plight of others to justify their causes in the way man uses God to do the same.
     
  9. Sparagmos

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    Goodness gracious. I’m an organizer, I’ve studied Alinsky. What a horrible misrepresentation.
     
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  10. WonbyOneanddone

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    Saul Alinsky wrote an epigraph describing the rebellious angel Lucifer as "the first radical known to man" in his book "Rules for Radicals."

    Still like him?
     
  11. Gene2memE

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    Ever actually read any Alinksy? He's an amazingly good writer and pretty much fundamental when it comes to small scale organising - some of his essays were required reading for my MBA.

    Lest we forget at least an over-the-shoulder acknowledgment to the very first radical: from all our legends, mythology, and history (and who is to know where mythology leaves off and history begins — or which is which), the first radical known to man who rebelled against the establishment and did it so effectively that he at least won his own kingdom — Lucifer. - Saul Alinsky

    Sounds like he was a LeVeyan Satanist, before LeVeyan Satanism was really a thing.

    Anyway, Alinsky was many things, but he wasn't a Marxist:

    "I've never joined any organization — not even ones I've organized myself. I prize my own independence too much. And philosophically I could never accept any rigid dogma or ideology, whether it's Christianity or Marxism." - Saul Alinsky

    Also, I always liked this quote of his:

    "If you think you've got an inside track to absolute truth, you become doctrinaire, humorless and intellectually constipated. The greatest crimes in history have been perpetrated by such religious and political and racial fanatics." - Saul Alinsky

    This one really stuck out as well:

    The fourth rule is: Make the enemy live up to their own book of rules. You can kill them with this, for they can no more obey their own rules than the Christian church can live up to Christianity.
     
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  12. WonbyOneanddone

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    They have changed their website because they were getting to much negative feedback.

    Here is what they still have on their website

    We affirm the lives of Black queer and trans folks, disabled folks, undocumented folks, folks with records, women, and all Black lives along the gender spectrum. Our network centers those who have been marginalized within Black liberation movements.

    But what they took off had to do with dismantling the traditional family unit because it got too much negative feedback.

    So if they represent blacks, why no mention of black police officers who were murdered in the riots?

    Why no mention of black on black crime in places like Chicago with around 50 gun shot deaths every weekend there?

    And why are they are trained Marxists?

    I think the wool has been pulled over your eyes regarding exactly what support for them is doing to the country.
     
  13. WonbyOneanddone

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    I'm sure he was a good writer, but I'm not critiquing his writing skills, just the content.

    So this is the content. Here are the rules

    RULE 1: “Power is not only what you have, but what the enemy thinks you have.”

    Power is derived from 2 main sources – money and people. “Have-Nots” must build power from flesh and blood. (These are two things of which there is a plentiful supply. Government and corporations always have a difficult time appealing to people, and usually do so almost exclusively with economic arguments.)



    RULE 2: “Never go outside the expertise of your people.”

    It results in confusion, fear and retreat. Feeling secure adds to the backbone of anyone. (Organizations under attack wonder why radicals don’t address the “real” issues. This is why. They avoid things with which they have no knowledge.)



    RULE 3: “Whenever possible, go outside the expertise of the enemy.”

    Look for ways to increase insecurity, anxiety and uncertainty. (This happens all the time. Watch how many organizations under attack are blind-sided by seemingly irrelevant arguments that they are then forced to address.)



    RULE 4: “Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules.”

    If the rule is that every letter gets a reply, send 30,000 letters. You can kill them with this because no one can possibly obey all of their own rules. (This is a serious rule. The besieged entity’s very credibility and reputation is at stake, because if activists catch it lying or not living up to its commitments, they can continue to chip away at the damage.)



    RULE 5: “Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon.”

    There is no defense. It’s irrational. It’s infuriating. It also works as a key pressure point to force the enemy into concessions. (Pretty crude, rude and mean, huh? They want to create anger and fear.)



    RULE 6: “A good tactic is one your people enjoy.”

    They’ll keep doing it without urging and come back to do more. They’re doing their thing, and will even suggest better ones. (Radical activists, in this sense, are no different that any other human being. We all avoid “un-fun” activities, and but we revel at and enjoy the ones that work and bring results.)



    RULE 7: “A tactic that drags on too long becomes a drag.”

    Don’t become old news. (Even radical activists get bored. So to keep them excited and involved, organizers are constantly coming up with new tactics.)



    RULE 8: “Keep the pressure on. Never let up.”

    Keep trying new things to keep the opposition off balance. As the opposition masters one approach, hit them from the flank with something new. (Attack, attack, attack from all sides, never giving the reeling organization a chance to rest, regroup, recover and re-strategize.)



    RULE 9: “The threat is usually more terrifying than the thing itself.”

    Imagination and ego can dream up many more consequences than any activist. (Perception is reality. Large organizations always prepare a worst-case scenario, something that may be furthest from the activists’ minds. The upshot is that the organization will expend enormous time and energy, creating in its own collective mind the direst of conclusions. The possibilities can easily poison the mind and result in demoralization.)



    RULE 10: “If you push a negative hard enough, it will push through and become a positive.”

    Violence from the other side can win the public to your side because the public sympathizes with the underdog. (Unions used this tactic. Peaceful [albeit loud] demonstrations during the heyday of unions in the early to mid-20th Century incurred management’s wrath, often in the form of violence that eventually brought public sympathy to their side.)



    RULE 11: “The price of a successful attack is a constructive alternative.”

    Never let the enemy score points because you’re caught without a solution to the problem. (Old saw: If you’re not part of the solution, you’re part of the problem. Activist organizations have an agenda, and their strategy is to hold a place at the table, to be given a forum to wield their power. So, they have to have a compromise solution.)



    RULE 12: Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.”

    Cut off the support network and isolate the target from sympathy. Go after people and not institutions; people hurt faster than institutions. (This is cruel, but very effective. Direct, personalized criticism and ridicule works.)

    So do these rules sound like they come from Christ or Lucifer who the author seems to admire by including him in his book?

    And where is Christ mentioned in his book?
     
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    "If you think you've got an inside track to absolute truth, you become doctrinaire, humorless and intellectually constipated. The greatest crimes in history have been perpetrated by such religious and political and racial fanatics." - Saul Alinsky

    Is this how you view Christ, because this is how Saul viewed him.

    So who do you admire more?
     
  15. WonbyOneanddone

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    No, what a horrible misrepresentation is how BLM presents Marx, because they self identify as his follower.

    With all the statues being pulled down because of supposed ties to racism against black people, would they ever pull his down? No, no they would probably like it if we all worshipped it, but do any of them even know Marx was a racist?

    Karl Marx, the Socialist Racist

    “What is the worldly religion of the Jew? Huckstering. What is his worldly God? Money. … Money is the jealous god of Israel, in face of which no other god may exist. Money degrades all the gods of man—and turns them into commodities. … The bill of exchange is the real god of the Jew. His god is only an illusory bill of exchange. … The chimerical nationality of the Jew is the nationality of the merchant, of the man of money in general.” Karl Marx, “On the Jewish Question,” 1844

    “This splendid territory [the Balkans] has the misfortune to be inhabited by a conglomerate of different races and nationalities, of which it is hard to say which is the least fit for progress and civilization. Slavonians, Greeks, Wallachians, Arnauts, twelve millions of men, are all held in submission by one million of Turks, and up to a recent period, it appeared doubtful whether, of all these different races, the Turks were not the most competent to hold the supremacy which, in such a mixed population, could not but accrue to one of these nationalities.” Karl Marx, “The Russian Menace to Europe,” 1853

    “The Jewish [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] Lassalle who, I’m glad to say, is leaving at the end of this week, has happily lost another 5,000 talers in an ill-judged speculation. The chap would sooner throw money down the drain than lend it to a ‘friend,’ even though his interest and capital were guaranteed. … It is now quite plain to me—as the shape of his head and the way his hair grows also testify—that he is descended from the negroes who accompanied Moses’ flight from Egypt (unless his mother or paternal grandmother interbred with a [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]). Now, this blend of Jewishness and Germanness, on the one hand, and basic negroid stock, on the other, must inevitably give rise to a peculiar product. The fellow’s importunity is also [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]-like.” Karl Marx, “Marx to Friedrich Engels in Manchester,” 1862

    Tremaux “proved that the common Negro type is the degenerate form of a much higher one … a very significant advance over Darwin.” Karl Marx, letter to Friedrich Engels, August 7, 1866

    “Without slavery, North America, the most progressive of countries, would be transformed into a patriarchal country. Wipe out North America from the map of the world and you will have anarchy— the complete decay of modern commerce and civilization. Abolish slavery and you will have wiped America off the map of nations.” Karl Marx, “The Poverty of Philosophy,” 1847

    “Take Amsterdam, for instance, a city harboring many of the worst descendants of the Jews whom Ferdinand and Isabella drove out of Spain and who, after lingering a while in Portugal, were driven out of there too and eventually found a place of retreat in Holland. … Here and there and everywhere that a little capital courts investment, there is ever one of these little Jews ready to make a little suggestion or place a little bit of a loan. The smartest highwayman in the Abruzzi is not better posted about the locale of the hard cash in a traveler’s valise or pocket than these little Jews about any loose capital in the hands of a trader … These small Jewish agents draw their supplies from the big Jewish houses … and practice great ostensible devotion to the religion of their race.” Karl Marx, “The Russian Loan,” 1856

    “Thus we find every tyrant backed by a Jew, as is every Pope by a Jesuit. In truth, the cravings of oppressors would be hopeless, and the practicability of war out of the question, if there were not an army of Jesuits to smother thought and a handful of Jews to ransack pockets. … The fact that 1,855 years ago Christ drove the Jewish money-changers out of the temple, and that the money-changers of our age, enlisted on the side of tyranny, happen again to be Jews is perhaps no more than a historic coincidence.” Karl Marx, “The Russian Loan,” 1856

    “The expulsion of a Leper people from Egypt, at the head of whom was an Egyptian priest named Moses. Lazarus, the leper, is also the basic type of the Jew.” Karl Marx, letter to Friedrich Engels, May 10, 1863“Abraham, Isaac and Jacob were fantasy-mongers, that the Israelites were idolators … that the tribe of Simeon (exiled under Saul) had moved to Mecca where they built a heathenish temple and worshipped stones.” Karl Marx, letter to Engels, June 16, 1864 “Indian society has no history at all, at least no known history. What we shall call its history is but the history of the successive invaders who founded their empires on the passive basis of that unresisting and unchanging society.” Karl Marx, New York Daily Tribune, August 8, 1853“Russia is a name usurped by the Muscovites. They are not Slavs, do not belong at all to the Indo-German race, but are des intrus [intruders], who must again he hurled back beyond the Dnieper, etc.” Karl Marx, letter to Friedrich Engels, June 24, 1865

    So there you have it, BLM was founded in systemic racism
     
  16. KCfromNC

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    Nope. Thanks for asking, though.

    On to the next bit of Russian-supported propaganda. Perhaps something about how Biden has dementia or something?
     
  17. hluke

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    Yes I remember when they had this on their site.

    Great. There's a big difference between saying something and doing it. But why not men, asians etc... I must be "intolerant"?

    I am not aware of that.

    I don't know if they are. The organisation is not afraid to flex their radical left defiance against western civilization, however.
    Perhaps more than wool. From here in Australia it seems like they are doing more harm than good.
     
  18. WonbyOneanddone

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    So do you think that USA today is a right wing source?

    Karl Marx brought death to millions. Don't celebrate him.

    Marxism is responsible for over a hundred million murdered. Nazis did not murder anywhere close to that many and Stalin murdered millions more than Hitler even did.

    But why is Marxism like you ignore it or even celebrated like BLM does?

    I think part of it is that Stalin and the Marxists allied with the West to defeat Hitler. Therefore, Nazism is condemned universally but Marxism still runs rampant around the world and continues its carnage. But really, the West had just as much reason to attack the former USSR as they did Hitler because WW2 was declared against Hitler for invading Poland. Most probably don't know, however, that Stalin also invaded and split the country with Hitler before they fought each other 2 years later.
     
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    I'm sure many of you are hearing this sort of information for the first time, because you get it virtually no where in the media or academia

    Chicago homicides increase 50 percent in 2020, 139 percent in July alone, data shows

    Crime rates in 2020 have gone up some 139%. And as the Mayor of Chicago moves to defund the police, she also has moved to increase police on the street that she lives on,.

    Chicago mayor defends beefed-up police presence near home

    This is what we are dealing with folks. IF the politicians believes, like this Leftists black politician says she believes, that the police are systemically racist, why increase the number of them on her street?
     

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    Jesus said we will know them by their fruit. And what I see is lawlessness, violence, and division writ large. This does not get to the root of the problem and is not God's way of dealing with it.
     
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