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Blacks want a "place at the table".

Discussion in 'General Political Discussion' started by OldWiseGuy, Jun 10, 2020.

  1. Redwingfan9

    Redwingfan9 Well-Known Member

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    There isn't anything inconsistent about what I said. His policies did help blacks but that doesn't mean they were directed at a specific race.
     
  2. NxNW

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    So, just to clarify, when you said
    you meant that his policies didn't specifically help blacks. Is that right?
     
  3. disciple Clint

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    Can you provide evidence of "a long and well documented racism. There are many well known blacks who have known Trump for a long time that do not agree with your conclusion. I understand that there was plenty of MSM attempts to paint Trump as a racist but without any evidence.
     
  4. Redwingfan9

    Redwingfan9 Well-Known Member

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    You apparently have difficulty understanding logic and context. When a policy results in a substantial reduction in unemployment for a particular group, that policy may not be specific to that group but it specifically helps that group.
     
  5. OldWiseGuy

    OldWiseGuy Wake me when it's soup. Supporter

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    Most book covers generally represent what is in the book.

    Disagreement, or having a different opinion, isn't racism.
     
  6. BNR32FAN

    BNR32FAN He’s a Way of life Supporter

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    Really, how so?
     
  7. OldWiseGuy

    OldWiseGuy Wake me when it's soup. Supporter

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    I have read many books whose covers do a good job of representing what's in the book. Of course we're talking about what is obvious about any situation. Most of the time what is observably obvious contains much truth. Digging deeper usually confirms those impressions.
     
  8. OldWiseGuy

    OldWiseGuy Wake me when it's soup. Supporter

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    You've made some good points. However, black economic failure, which is the basis of most of their complaints, is their own doing. They have resisted the elements of success that have built western society. The Civil Rights Acts of the 1960's saw the collapse of the black economy and the biggest transfer of wealth from blacks to whites in our history. It continues to this day as blacks shun black owned businesses, spending over 90 percent of their income on products produced and sold by white businesses. Money earned by blacks doesn't benefit the black community but is quickly spent in white owned stores for white produced products and services.

    Blacks have the capacity as never before to build a strong black economy, if they could only grasp the vision needed.
     
  9. BNR32FAN

    BNR32FAN He’s a Way of life Supporter

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    While I don’t entirely disagree with this I think this may be describing a slightly different scenario. I mean are we talking about judging people by the way they present themselves or are we talking about judging people solely based on their color? Surely you can’t determine the contents of a book solely based on the color of its cover.
     
  10. bèlla

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    Jim Rohn said, "You are the average of the five people you spend the most time with." He was right.

    Yours in His Service,

    ~bella
     
  11. OldWiseGuy

    OldWiseGuy Wake me when it's soup. Supporter

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    Certain behaviors and habits are often characteristic of certain ethnicities, thus certain prejudices arise. These are general observations however and don't apply to every individual. However problematic behaviors are assigned to the group-at- large, such as education, health, crime, etc.
     
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  12. BNR32FAN

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    Well I doubt anyone would put Lil John in a seat at the table to represent the black community. Your over-generalizing. Typically we try to put people of integrity in such a position, unfortunately that’s not common quality found in most politicians.
     
  13. OldWiseGuy

    OldWiseGuy Wake me when it's soup. Supporter

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    Or in most activists.
     
  14. BNR32FAN

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    Touche’
     
  15. RDKirk

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    I knew too many blacks in my youth who were hamstrung, regardless how capable they were, because there could only be one black high school principal...when there was only one black high school. There couldn't be any black politicians.

    There could only be one black police officer, and he served only the black part of town. There could only be one black doctor, because the town hospital considered itself "progressive" having one black doctor...but more than one would look bad to the whites. The medical school could proudly proclaim, "Why, we graduated a Negro just five years ago!" Blacks who could have become doctors had to satisfy themselves with being morticians.

    A black man could own a diner, but he couldn't own a chain because he couldn't get a business loan, regardless how sound his business plan.

    The black economy was moribund from the beginning. Blacks were allowed businesses...as long as they didn't get too big or too lucrative. Jim Crow made sure of that.

    The fact is, the white American model of business economics didn't work for blacks, and never would, because it wasn't allowed to work for blacks.

    Immigrant groups would have faced the same problem, except that they came with their own ethnic systems of banking and economics. Chinese, Koreans, Japanese, Arabs, even Africans did not depend on the white American banking system. Their communities came to these shores already seeing their own business methods as the best possible kind of business methods. They were not constrained to following a model that was not by them or for them.

    So you actually totally missed my point. Black people in America need to realize that we've been eating chit'lins for culture for the last 400 years...and find a new dish that's actually good for us.
     
  16. Ken-1122

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    If so much black wealth transfer to whites, why did black wealth increase since that time?
    Is it safe to assume what you are calling “white owned businesses” are actually businesses owned by whites, blacks, and brown people?
    What are some of these white owned stores, and white produced products and services that you speak of?
    What do you mean by “a black economy”?
     
  17. OldWiseGuy

    OldWiseGuy Wake me when it's soup. Supporter

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    "When in Rome...do as the Romans."
     
  18. OldWiseGuy

    OldWiseGuy Wake me when it's soup. Supporter

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    A rising tide lifts all boats, even small boats.

    How Do Black People Spend Their Money? (The Racial Wealth Gap)

    An economy with a strong black banks, supported by black depositors, serving the black community.
     
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  19. OldWiseGuy

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    The "table" is the capitalistic free enterprise system.
     
  20. bèlla

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    If 90% of black resources are spent on goods produced by whites that isn't the fault of the community. It's the inability of black entrepreneurs to recognize demand and develop products to meet their needs.

    Most of the businesses in black neighborhoods aren't owned by the populace. Nor are children advised to pursue self-employment. They're told to get a job. Work should be an avenue towards financial autonomy. Not the only option.

    Yours in His Service,

    ~bella
     
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