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Black Lives Matter Opposes Two Huge Forces For Black Success: Family And Capitalism

Discussion in 'American Politics' started by NightHawkeye, Jul 2, 2020.

  1. NightHawkeye

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    Black Lives Matter Opposes Two Huge Forces For Black Success: Family And Capitalism

    Since the BLM organization’s leaders admit they are trained Marxists, they must be understood within the wider patina of Marxist diatribes against the nuclear family, capitalism, and by extension the idea of progress. The official webpage of the BLM organization spells it out quite clearly: "We disrupt the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure requirement by supporting each other as extended families and villages that collectively care for one another, especially our children, to the degree that mothers, parents, and children are comfortable."

    Those unfamiliar with Marxism may be puzzled at this seemingly random opposition to the nuclear family. Deeper introspection, however, reveals that the BLM organization’s outlook is quite consistent with Marxism.
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    In the absence of both parents, children raised by their extended kin, such as an aunt or uncle, are significantly more likely to have, in the words of one study, “higher levels of internalizing problems” including loneliness and sadness when compared to those raised by married parents. Another established finding in sociological research is that fathers play a pivotal role in children’s development.
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    Of the many problems with this philosophy is that advocates of utopianism almost always end up resorting to deadly force to achieve their ends. Since the desires of the more radical BLM activists are insatiable, such an insurrectionary movement will always demand more extreme policies than those just passed.

    Regardless of their politics, Americans must resist the most strident voices of BLM by not allowing the cult of political correctness to silence their voices. The brutality of communist regimes and the French Revolution evidence what is possible when defenders of civility and freedom remain silent. To preserve the republic, Americans must challenge the dangerous aspects of the BLM movement, lest they follow the same fate
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  2. Gracia Singh

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    Yep. Every single video I've ever seen of a young Black man who was able to get himself out of gang life starts with "Well, I never knew my dad growing up, so the gang became my family, and the gang leader became like a father to me". Every single one. This is bad.

    Racism is bad, but so is this.
     
  3. Kentonio

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    Typical Federalist nonsense.
     
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  4. Hans Blaster

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    Who funds them anyways?
     
  5. Silmarien

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    Yeah, I see this as a real problem, despite (or perhaps because of) being something of an anti-capitalist myself. Spare me the incessant neo-Marxist rhetoric and tell me what your actual policy positions are and how they are going to solve concrete problems. Also learn to share your policy positions in a way that doesn't alienate everyone who isn't already all-in on your social engineering, or you will never be anywhere except on the fringe.

    I really don't think it's a good idea for an organization dedicated to combating racism (or any other social ill) to be dragging in any number of other issues in this sort of ideological fashion. If you don't separate them, you just lose potential allies. I find it really problematic that a group whose primary goal is racial justice has left itself open to all sorts of attacks from the right by juggling too many controversial ideas instead of focusing on the major, non-controversial one.
     
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  6. Kentonio

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    BLM as a group don’t represent anything about Marxism and this desire of the hard right to paint them together just like they tried to pin Marxist on every civil rights group in the last 60 years is beyond tiring.

    Yes one of the original people who started the group said she was a Marxist. So what? The group doesn’t actually campaign for anything to do with that ideology.
     
  7. Silmarien

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    The problem is their website itself: https://blacklivesmatter.com/what-we-believe/

    When you start talking about how you want to "disrupt the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure," you're going to freak people out. I don't even know what they mean by that--it looks more like support for a pre-industrial model where extended family and community matter rather than an attack on the institution of marriage, but using language like that is frankly stupid. Whether or not they're really Marxist, the amount of ammunition that's just being handed over to the right on this website is really staggering.
     
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  8. Hank77

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    Statement by BLM:
    "We disrupt the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure requirement by supporting each other as extended families and villages that collectively care for one another, especially our children, to the degree that mothers, parents, and children are comfortable."

    Statement by The Federalist:
    Those unfamiliar with Marxism may be puzzled at this seemingly random opposition to the nuclear family.

    This is what I think BLM is saying...
    There is nowhere in the BLM statement that says they are "in opposition" to the nuclear family. They say that the requirement that healthy families cannot be viable unless they look just like the nuclear family father, mother, kids all living in the same house. In fact, they specifically say "parents" so they aren't saying a father and a mother aren't necessary to raise healthy children. However, if one of the parents is AOL other family members or even others in the community can fill that void. Don't we see that where fathers and mothers have died, maybe even as soldiers? I certainly have and I have seen children become law-abiding, educated adults who are raising children to be moral, ethical, and productive adults.
    The divorce rate, even among church members stands at around 39%. Some of those fathers stay active in their children's life but others don't so hopefully other family members, community members, or even church members will do everything they can to fill the void.
    So we shouldn't be disparaging family units that don't fit the picture of the father, mother, and kids all living in the same house.
     
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  9. Chesterton

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    I was pointing out yesterday how their statement about wanting to dismantle the patriarchy is actually pretty funny in a sick way. I think black patriarchal families are down to under 30%, so that's like kinda taking coal to Newcastle.

    They are actually following the original playbook written by Marx. Align yourself with anyone and everything that seeks to destroy the existing social order, for any and all reasons. It doesn't have to make sense. It's about destruction. It's emotional not rational.
     
  10. Kentonio

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    Funny, the only ones I see being wildly over emotional are the conservatives who don’t want to listen to anyone and paint anything they see as disruptive to the comfortable order that benefits them as a dangerous threat.
     
  11. grasping the after wind

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    The word disrupt has a meaning. Can you explain why they use the phrase "mothers, parents and children"? It is either a redundancy caused by sloppy thinking and a lack of proof reading or an intentional exclusion of the word father
     
  12. grasping the after wind

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    Do you have very poor eyesight?
     
  13. Chesterton

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    Like who?
     
  14. keith99

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    Bingo. It is also worth emphasizing that they say having others fill the gaps should only occur to the degree that the parents are comfortable.

    The 'ideal' of a nuclear family standing apart from their surroundings and disdaining support from extended family and friends is far from ideal.
     
  15. Silmarien

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    Do we, though? I grew up in a three generational family with no father, and I can't say I ever felt disparaged for it. Some of the "family values" crowd can be a bit irritating, since they seem blind to the fact that the "traditional" nuclear family is not always ideal or even possible (or even particularly traditional), but I think if you talked to most of them using normal language rather than jargon, they would accept a communitarian approach or extended family as a valid alternative. They might find such arrangements unfortunate and somewhat sub-optimal, but I don't find that in and of itself disparaging.

    What I find problematic in the BLM statement on this issue is the usage of the word "disrupt." It's very strong and hostile, and there are better ways to say what I assume they meant. For example: We seek recognition that the traditional nuclear family structure is not always possible or sufficient, and foster larger communal support and involvement in one another's lives, especially in the upbringing of children, to the degree that mothers, parents, and children are comfortable.

    To me, the problem with this website is primarily that it's full of jargon out of critical social theory: disrupting the nuclear family, dismantling the patriarchy, freeing ourselves from the tight grip of heteronormative thinking, etc., ad nauseam. If you're going to explain your stances on a website, you should find someone who can actually use moderate, non-ideologically laden language to write it. Otherwise conservatives are going to see the link between critical social theory and Marxism, jump on it, and decide that you're a bunch of dangerous revolutionaries!
     
  16. Hank77

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    Since when are fathers not parents? Being specific about mothers makes sense when there are a lot of single mothers raising kids.
     
  17. Hank77

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    Some people do, especially people in the church.
    Here's just one example...There are pastors that think a physically abused woman should stay with her abuser for the sake of the family unit, for the sake of the children. If she does leave she is held in condemnation, disparaged.

    Here's an example from outside the church in my own town...
    The same scenario of an abusive husband. She left and 30 yrs. later they were still calling her the divorcee. "Oh, you're referring to the divorcee." I'm not exaggerating, they continued to disparage her.
     
  18. durangodawood

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    I dont think BLM as an organization is stealing all the attention.

    I think people are giving it to them, out of all reasonable proportion, because either:
    a. its more fun to discuss the outrage du jour
    b. anything to avoid the bigger realer topics.
     
  19. grasping the after wind

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    Since when are mothers not parents?
     
  20. Hank77

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    Right now there is a thread titled Can a Bastard be a Christian? If that isn't disparaging I don't know what it.
     
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