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Black children murdered this year

Discussion in 'The Kitchen Sink' started by Hammster, Apr 22, 2021.

  1. Hammster

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  2. Halbhh

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    Yeah.

    I think a good solution would be pretty dramatic. For large national guard and police sweeps through gang territories checking for weapons and enforcing all existing gun laws in each locality. It would be pretty major, a historical level kind of action.
     
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  3. Der Alte

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    Makes one wonder where is the outrage, where are the demonstrations for all these deaths? Certain groups riot and well known public figures even threaten police officers when a police officer shoots a girl to prevent her from stabbing another girl but gangs can rampage through neighbor hoods plundering and ravaging, unimpeded, no riots, no demonstrations.
     
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  4. muichimotsu

    muichimotsu I Spit On Perfection

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    That's cutting off the branch instead of addressing the rotten roots, which are poor education and safety nets that can prevent crime from starting in the first place because of desperate situations and no real help being offered
     
  5. muichimotsu

    muichimotsu I Spit On Perfection

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    Because the gangs are a symptom, not the disease itself, you're neglecting that such things primarily come about because of poor infrastructure and social support in those areas. They feel alienated and abandoned, so they resort to finding a group that will offer that sense of belonging, even if it means they must engage in crime to have a sense of stability.
     
  6. Halbhh

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    We totally agree on that. Addressing root causes, as you point out, is crucial. And so is reducing violence now. We gotta walk and chew gum on this one.
     
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  7. OldWiseGuy

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    Actually there are demonstrations about these killings within these black neighborhoods, but little attention is paid and they do little good.
     
  8. OldWiseGuy

    OldWiseGuy Wake me when it's soup. Supporter

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    True, the black middle class has abandoned the black underclass.
     
  9. OldWiseGuy

    OldWiseGuy Wake me when it's soup. Supporter

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    It's more a disfunctional expression of manhood .
     
  10. muichimotsu

    muichimotsu I Spit On Perfection

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    It's hardly just a black problem, white people even in the lower class and middle class are enabling this problem by acting like more law enforcement will solve the problem (it doesn't).

    When people aren't willing to make basic budget sacrifices of their precious proto militaristic ideology, then they're part of the problem that continues to plague the country when 1) we have cops lashing out recklessly with their sidearms and 2) people being borderline terroristic with shootings happening 2x a week or more in America, pretty much unheard of in any other developed country
     
  11. muichimotsu

    muichimotsu I Spit On Perfection

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    Reducing violence can be done without resorting to more violence.

    I'm a martial pacifist, I'm not leaning purely one way or the other, but I'm saying in terms of using police, we should really be cautious to use them as a proverbial stick/whip (I think there are other dichotomies, but I kind of prefer the Japanese candy and whips versus carrot and stick even though I grew up on the latter as the example) to mitigate crime in any meaningful way versus just creating a cycle of resentment and violence that doesn't end until everyone's dead.
     
  12. muichimotsu

    muichimotsu I Spit On Perfection

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    Except manhood is a cultural construct, it isn't going to be static and monolithic, not every man should be held to the idea that they have to be this particular way or they're less of a man. There's overcompensating in general, which is usually more common that undercompensating.
     
  13. OldWiseGuy

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    Young black men from single parent households (usually mother only) seem to have it figured out.
     
  14. OldWiseGuy

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    A big reason for black problems revolves around money. There's plenty of money in the black community. However it must be used to build up the community for the long term. Blacks are enjoying their newfound prosperity by indulging in things that don't build for the future. Once they figure out that they must build 'black capital' through saving and investing they will be just fine.
     
  15. muichimotsu

    muichimotsu I Spit On Perfection

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    And you think it's just them deciding this and not an external influence that is pushing them into that rather than it being possible for a single mother household to nonetheless give their male child a male role model?

    Families don't exist in a vacuum, societal influences and media are also there for even male children like myself who grew up with my mother and father together. It wasn't just my father, that's absurd and reductive.
     
  16. muichimotsu

    muichimotsu I Spit On Perfection

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    Citation needed on that: generational wealth is not as easily acquired as you think, it's only been a few generations since things like redlining were somewhat dealt with, the consequences of redlining are still around.

    And way to generalize like every black person is just superficial and only cares about conforming when that's as much a problem with middle class white people who spend beyond their means to get social clout.

    You also assume every black person has fair and reasonable access or understanding of this rather than it still being the hegemonical white societal groups that would have that and can keep the generational wealth that was never limited in the same way as with black people (you know, the whole enslaving for centuries and Jim Crow laws after + redlining?)
     
  17. OldWiseGuy

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    There is a point where even the best single mothers lose control and influence over their sons. It happens around the age of 12. That's when the problems begin.
     
  18. OldWiseGuy

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    Your comments are largely valid. As I said blacks are in their 'honeymoon' period subsequent to the Civil Rights Acts of the 1960's. They are enjoying their newfound opportunities, and a modicum of wealth, and have not begun to seriously consider the need for 'black capital formation', capital that whites have built and had access to for generations (and are reluctant to loan to blacks).

    The problem is that many don't understand this. Many middle and upper class black leaders have been encouraging this for many years, but it largely falls on deaf ears. Based on the $1.4 Trillion annual black buying power capital formation through saving and investment is certainly within reach, capital that would improve black lives in the areas of education, employment, and housing.

    It also builds social and political capital, much needed by the black community. Generational wealth cannot be built through protests, reparations, or movements like BLM. It requires vision, investment, hard work, and sacrifice.
     
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  19. Halbhh

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    Ah, so you are close to the Christian view as given by Jesus then.

    Just an significant repetition of what I said above, for clarity -- I suggest a sweep to confiscate illegal weapons, not some kind of war or attack.

    Not violence. One needed way (of several needed ways) to reduce violence.

    More:

    It's a basic good idea to also offer money for guns, to just reduce the number of guns, in addition to confiscating illegal guns.

    In some locales there isn't the needed trust between the community and police, and one way to address that would be to have a clearly peaceful leader publicly in charge who acts as the liaison to the community also, so they feel it's not against them, but for them (as in reality it would be, to help reduce murders/gang wars).

    The ultimate way to reduce violence is to spread the message of forgiveness and reconciliation, be peace makers -- some of the key commands given to Christians by Christ Jesus actually.
     
  20. muichimotsu

    muichimotsu I Spit On Perfection

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    Did I claim single mothers could just fix things with the suggestion I brought up? No? Then stop misrepresenting what I said and insisting on your skewed perspective as right without consideration that you're being reductive
     
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