Bishops: Do not persecute the priests for preserving Orthodox traditions

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I just read this. It's the most amazing and powerful and piercingly accurate message I've read from one of our metropolitans in quite some time!

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His Eminence Metropolitan Ambrosios is the former Metropolitan of the Metropolis of Kalavryta and Aigialeia in northern Greece. What follows is a translation of his open letter, posted (in Greek) on Aktines on June 22, 2021.

Your Beatitude,
Holy Fathers,
Brethren in Christ,

The Body of Christ, the Church, is being attacked. It is being attacked by dark powers, foreign special interest groups that pull the strings of mankind.

And they have control over governments, but also in religions everywhere – even in the One True, Catholic and Apostolic Church.

This demonic control and the calamities it brings along are allowed by God, as a consequence of the fall and the estrangement of mankind.

God's people are under persecution.

They have sinned and they pay the price.

A symbol of the fallen Greek Orthodox people is the hierarchy of the Church.

As God’s people, fully aware of our sinfulness and shortcomings but with faith in the Holy Triune God and in His mercy, we are determined to place ourselves at the brake of the vehicle that defiles homeland and Church.

We bear the burden and responsibility, which came out from the Canons of the Ecumenical Councils, from the words and exhortations of the Holy Fathers of our Church, and from the struggles and the sacrifice of ethno-martyrs and holy martyrs.

The Church is not an autonomous organization. She has no opinion or position of her own.

Her ministers (deacons, presbyters, bishops, patriarchs, synods) are not authorized to say and do whatever they feel is appropriate, according to their personal opinion.

How much more under the urging and pressure of political authorities.

The Church did not build her faith. It is not her creation. She received it and serves it.

In recent years, especially after the sacrilegious Kolymbari synod, we have lived through the trampling of Holy Tradition, of the Gospel of the Orthodox faith.

We have become listeners to a new rhetoric, about social responsibility, love of neighbor, indiscriminate obedience, and oikonomia. An “oikonomia” that has become lawless.

It has become a deluded bishop-worship and an absolute submission to the dictates of the authorities.

Wherever there is Orthodoxy there are wounds.

We have seen sacraments of heretics being recognized.

We have witnessed bishops donating the Qur'an as a sacred book.

Hierarchs have hidden their pectoral crosses so as not to make others uncomfortable.

We were stunned as we witnessed common prayers and concelebrations of bishops of the Greek Church, with heretics, Muslims and schismatics.

We have seen metropolises locking churches and threatening priests.

We have seen masks in front of the Holy Altar, before the holy icons and the holy relics streaming with grace, gloved hands of clergymen handing out antidoron, many times in inappropriate containers and elders protecting their stole from being kissed.

We have seen a single-use disposable spoon for distributing of the immaculate Body and Blood of our Christ.

We saw the Lord “resurrected” on the second day.

We have seen bishops prohibit the sacrament of Confession.

A new religion has been established and the Mysteries of Christ have been defiled, the consequence of long-standing violations of the Holy Rudder, the Canons of the Fathers, and the Gospel itself.

Holy bishops: You have become more royal than the king. [“Holier than the Pope” -tr.]

You have done more to tear down our faith and deny us Christ, with greater zeal and wrath than the anti-Christian government rules.

You lead the Church into schism.

And when a few pious clergymen resist this demonic atheistic current, reverently offering the Gifts of the Holy Mysteries as before, as immaculate as they received them from Holy Orthodoxy Tradition, with faith and trusting in the Lord, they are given a beating with the bishop’s staff – beaten with suspension, beaten with transfer, beaten by removing their offikia [clergy ranks], beaten with citations from prosecutors.

You punish pious priests. You punish the people of God by depriving them of the salvific Gifts of the Mysteries, or you make them available under certain conditions - conditions that defile and are irreverent toward the Holy Trinity. With masks, with distances and with a limited number of people, you sin against the Holy Spirit.

And the pulpits fell silent. They stopped echoing the word of Truth. They are no longer bases of Orthodox struggle. Instead, they echo government decisions and medical ultimatums. Vaccine advertising campaigns and unholy measures are broadcast by preachers and bishops.

Shame!

And you demand obedience to the Church?

What is the Church? The hierarchy and the clergy? Not the people?

What does Tradition teach us?

Who was the Church?

Saint Gregory Palamas or John Kalekas the Latin-minded?

Saint Mark of Ephesus or Mitrophanes and the rest of the hierarchy?

Saint Maximos the Confessor or all the [Eastern] Patriarchates of his day?

Saint Cyril or Nestorius?

Are not the Saints models of conduct to imitate?

Isn't the Church also triumphant – that included the Saints and Fathers who dogmatized?

What happens if the “Church” you talk about fights against Christ? What happens when it cooperates, applauds and promotes anti-Orthodox laws and practices?

We do not judge, because, as Saint John Chrysostom explains: “‘DO NOT JUDGE, SO YOU WON'T BE JUDGED’ (Mat. 7:1) PERTAINS TO LIVES, NOT TO MATTERS OF FAITH” (PG. 63, 231-232).

We have been witnessing a flagrant violation of the Gospel for some time now in actions, words, and decisions of hierarchs.

And then you ask for indiscriminate obedience?

Didn’t the Apostle Paul say, “But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be excommunicated”? (Gal. 1:8).

Didn’t Athanasios the Great say that, “If the bishop or the priest, the eyes of the Church, behave improperly and scandalize the people, they must be deposed. It is preferable for the congregation to assemble without them in a house of prayer than be cast out with them as with Annas and Caiaphas in the Gehenna of fire.”

“The eyes of the Church” turned into anti-orthodox preachers and persecutors of clergy who have “committed crimes”.

And their crime? — The preservation of the Tradition of the Holy Fathers of our Church.

How can these clergymen deserve condemnation and not praise, who keep the Tradition of the Holy Fathers at the risk of episcopal and governmental punishments? Don’t you know that by condemning them you condemn the Fathers of our Church? The saints and the martyrs?

Enough is enough!

We will no longer tolerate the continued desecration of our faith.

We will not tolerate punishments for clergymen who have not broken any promise to the Lord, and who struggle though persecuted and reviled for faith and homeland.

We will not permit the discipline of clergy or bishops who have done the minimum of remaining Orthodox and serving the flock without fail and crossing every “t”.

We will take action by every means and in many ways.

The anger that has accumulated here for a long time against those who are corrupting humanity, who are violating our freedom, our rights, our very lives, will be vented on you. Because you betray us.

If you come to your senses and become leaders of the righteous struggle that God blesses, know that you will have an “army” dedicated and determined.

We are determined to fight to the death – but death on the cross.

And if the difficulties pass, you will be blessed and praised for everything.

Show condescension to those who may be difficult to reason with.

But like the child who tries to serve and help his sick father, so we too make a final effort to get you back on the path of Tradition.

Let us embrace brotherly and show respect to our common Fathers.

Let us keep the Traditions and with one mouth let us glorify the most honorable and majestic name of the Lord.

And finally, to our Triune God be honor and glory unto the ages of the ages. Amen.

Metropolitan (former) of Kalavryta and Aigialeia
Ambrosios

Bishops: Do not persecute the priests for preserving Orthodox traditions!

His strength and rightness reminds me of the letters St. Tikhon wrote to Met. Sergius and about the Bolsheviks at that time -- been watching and listening to the Russian Martyrs lessons/courses the past couple of days. We need more metropolitans like former Met. Ambrosios!

At the end of the article it says:

 

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I would take anything on the Coronavirus-issue by this metropolitan with a huge grain of salt. He seems unhinged.

Met. Ambrose said:
This whole coronavirus story is nothing more than the plan of demonic forces, which constitute the so-called globalization and who have as their goal to lead human society to the seal of the Antichrist, that is, the chip with the number 666, which will be implanted in our bodies under the guise of the vaccine against the coronavirus!...[People who are] flooded with the fear of the coronavirus will rush to accept the vaccine and with the seal of the Antichrist!... [The chip] will communicate with the 5G electronic system, so the organs of Globalization will direct our thinking, our desires, our whole life!

https://www.romfea.gr/katigories/10...aimoniko-sxedio-gia-tin-dialusi-tis-koinonias
https://orthochristian.com/132144.html
 
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When I went to that link, it was all in Greek. Where did you get that translation? In any case, I don't believe it's the mark of the beast or there's a microchip. ETA: I used google translate for the article. As I said, this shot isn't the mark of the beast and does not have the chip. However, he isn't wrong about the trajectory of where we're headed, if you follow the prophecies of the Saints. All of these steps do soften us to accept more and more of what the enemy wants. We lose our spiritual discernment and become caught up in the tech world, like the boiling frog.

Many of the Saints were considered crazy or as you say "unhinged" by those with worldly mindsets. This metropolitan's voice is very needed in our time. He speaks bravely and truthfully about how the churches in Greece and many of his fellow bishops have led on this whole virus issue.
 
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Those of us not in Greece may not have been following all that went on there this past year plus. Here's what Metropolitan Neophytos (bishop of Morfou, Cypress) said in April that will shed light on what it's been like in Greece:

Translated to English by Christiana Fidirikkos

Latest speech (in April) by the Bishop of Morfou

"May our works are blessed even though the authorities in this world make it difficult with these measures they enforced on our nation & more so The Resurrection of our Christ as they don’t want our nation to be strengthened by The Resurrection of Christ.

Why? One who lives The Resurrection may also Protest! The people of the New World Order are scared of this. As it seems these people want the Orthodox to celebrate Pascha not on the 3rd Day, the Day it should be, on the Sunday. This is why it’s called Holy Saturday in the Holy Gospel.

Sunday, is the Day of The Resurrection of Christ. It should be celebrated on this day. Like you heard today and every other times, in the Holy Gospel the Apolytikion of Lazarus and his Resurrection. This is our Certificate!

Just like Christ Resurrected Lazarus, He will also Resurrect us and nobody will remain in their graves.

Our soul is Eternal Life. This is our perspective. Just as long as we want it, God wants it.

There are evil people, people from other religions and faiths, masons, satanists, fanatic zionists, only certain Jews, not all, want to bring confusion to the celebrations mainly of the Orthodox.

Why the Orthodox?

Because the Orthodox is the one and only true Church, the God/ Human Body of Christ.

Especially this year, the Jewish “Fasca” this is what they call Pascha, on the 1st May. Our Pascha whom 318 Holy Fathers of the 1st Ecumenical Synod appointed to be celebrated after the “Fasca” of the Jews.

This is why people all over the world are trying to change the Orthodox Pascha to a different day and time than it is supposed to be.

Unfortunately in Greece, the Bishops and Archbishop agreed for Pascha and the Liturgy to begin at 9pm. If it begins at 9pm it will finish by 11pm, so they’ll celebrate on the 2nd day whilst our Christ is still in Hades.

They want to change the law of our Orthodox Church. There is a plan, slowly slowly to have one Pascha with the Catholics and one with the Jews, to guide the Orthodox to One World Religion before the Global Dictatorship!

When we first said this, they called us conspirators. Now slowly slowly their plans are being exposed, and they need to be exposed.

What’s their agenda?

They’re using this illness, which does exist and we’re all living it. It is the result of all our sins, all people and all nations. They’re scaring people with masks, double & triple masking maybe tomorrow, also with vaccines that haven’t been properly researched.

Many scientists are talking about genetically modified vaccines. What does this mean? Children will be injected, girls injected will become sterile and babies been born will have many different abnormalities, physical disabilities, respiratory disorders, Down syndrome, anaemia and many more.

This is said by great doctors. In particular one well-known doctor, who won a noble prize for his findings of aids, and he says what I convey to you.

They will not allow for our voices to be heard. Whenever they hear these videos, they take them down from YouTube. Understand we live in Totalitarian times. They’re introducing it politely.

They say your kids need to have the vaccine to attend school. What are the parents to do? Parents have a problem. To use the health services, you need the vaccine with a certificate and a follow up every six months.

If these changes are occurring in fertilisation, do you know what this means?

It means our grandkids and great grandkids will be burdened with these illnesses. The older ones will have many side affects.

We have a duty to tell you our thoughts and the choices are yours. What I told Father Eleftherios is what we did every other year in regards to the Holy Week and the Liturgy. Our doors of our Churches will remain open for all. Men and women, sick and healthy.

The Church is a Hospital, for our soul and body. How many people have come to Church unhealthy physically and spiritually and have become well. Healthy people have come to Church and died in Church. My Aunty Anna, died immediately after consuming Holy Communion and this was seen as a good sign.

We live and work towards Eternal Life, old and young, healthy and the sick, vaccinated and unvaccinated, masked and unmasked.

We commune The Body and Blood of Christ. We receive The Holy Spirit for the forgiveness of our sins and for our Eternal Life.

People ask me, don’t people get sick in Church?

Yes we do, just like when feel the cold, but what does the Father say when it’s time to commune? “With Fear of God with Faith and Love come Forward.“

Whoever communes with Fear of God, with Faith and Love in Orthodoxy, the only thing they receive is The Holy Spirit and not any illnesses even, if a person next to me has leprosy.

When we have fear of illnesses, fear of people, what we’re afraid of will happen whether we’re inside or outside the Church.

Do you realise what the Fear of God is? We only need the Fear of God and whatever other fears we have about how and when we’ll live earth it’s up to God. God tells us during our funeral service.

I want the committee to be very polite and not be like police officers. Even if the state requires 50 people to enter the Church vaccinated with a certificate, for us The Holy Baptism is our Certificate.

Don’t request 40 or 50 people only. Our Holy Gospel says, as many or as little may enter.

What a beautiful service we’ve had today, as if we were the Patriarchate.

Please, with the good spirit tell all the people in the other parishes, The Litany of The Burial of Christ will be held around the Church and not on the streets so we don’t provoke. If anyone wants to come with masks can, it’s up to you, but you need to kiss the Holy Icons without a mask and receive the Holy Bread without a mask, kissing the Father’s hand.

The Priest who gives the Holy Bread without fear of getting sick is a winner with Christ. My message is don’t be provocative or less Orthodox than in previous years."

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He's been a wonderful leader for his people. I've followed him since I became aware of him early last year.

“The psychological trials of dwellers in the last times will be equal to the physical trials of the martyrs. In order to face these trials, we must be living in a different world.” - Fr. Seraphim Rose
 
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I don’t know how to judge this.

What I do know is that we have had four priests in 1.5 years. I know that when I was desperate to attend a Divine Liturgy, another priest I have known for years (the first one I actually talked to in person) turned me away when I called and asked to attend, saying there was “no room” for me as an outsider (though I have also attended their Bible classes, and attended Liturgy there sometimes). I know that I used to go to confession every 6-8 weeks at the direction of my SF, and I have been once during the summer of 2020, and that was already almost a year late. And for that I had to contact a priest in another city and drive about an hour. Not again since, and it’s a year now. Partly this is my fault, but it isn’t helped by several priests I approached telling me they were too busy, or they didn’t hear confessions, or they simply never replied to me asking. And Church was closed - we missed Pascha and Great Lent in 2020. My community is decimated - most of the people I loved as family are no longer there.

Part is my fault. I have allowed all of this to make me complacent, and I stopped asking after being turned down repeatedly. A little tickle in my throat and I stay home from Church when I could have gone (though to be fair I would have to lie to the policeman at the door who asks about symptoms before I fill out the form with my name and contact info and am given a sticker showing I am allowed to go in, after having temperature taken.

You know, writing all of that - I AM a bit angry. I’m not sure who or what I should direct that anger towards. And I am at fault too. There’s work, and school, practicum, and board certifications. I’ve allowed myself to become too busied. My faith has suffered. (And truthfully, I still plan to complete those things so it will still be hard for me.)

But the situation in the Church grieved me very much too.
 
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I don’t know how to judge this.

What I do know is that we have had four priests in 1.5 years. I know that when I was desperate to attend a Divine Liturgy, another priest I have known for years (the first one I actually talked to in person) turned me away when I called and asked to attend, saying there was “no room” for me as an outsider (though I have also attended their Bible classes, and attended Liturgy there sometimes). I know that I used to go to confession every 6-8 weeks at the direction of my SF, and I have been once during the summer of 2020, and that was already almost a year late. And for that I had to contact a priest in another city and drive about an hour. Not again since, and it’s a year now. Partly this is my fault, but it isn’t helped by several priests I approached telling me they were too busy, or they didn’t hear confessions, or they simply never replied to me asking. And Church was closed - we missed Pascha and Great Lent in 2020. My community is decimated - most of the people I loved as family are no longer there.

Part is my fault. I have allowed all of this to make me complacent, and I stopped asking after being turned down repeatedly. A little tickle in my throat and I stay home from Church when I could have gone (though to be fair I would have to lie to the policeman at the door who asks about symptoms before I fill out the form with my name and contact info and am given a sticker showing I am allowed to go in, after having temperature taken.

You know, writing all of that - I AM a bit angry. I’m not sure who or what I should direct that anger towards. And I am at fault too. There’s work, and school, practicum, and board certifications. I’ve allowed myself to become too busied. My faith has suffered. (And truthfully, I still plan to complete those things so it will still be hard for me.)

But the situation in the Church grieved me very much too.
I'm so sorry you've gone through that, Anastasia. It has been a difficult eighteen months for all of us that has challenged our faith and practices. I agree with Met. Neophytos, that this virus has been a test. He calls them exams, to see how we fair through them. As he and other bishops have said, it's about repentance and turning toward Christ. It's a struggle these days. Please don't be too hard on yourself.
 
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I'm so sorry you've gone through that, Anastasia. It has been a difficult eighteen months for all of us that has challenged our faith and practices. I agree with Met. Neophytos, that this virus has been a test. He calls them exams, to see how we fair through them. As he and other bishops have said, it's about repentance and turning toward Christ. It's a struggle these days. Please don't be too hard on yourself.

Thank you dear sister.

It’s funny, I feel like I’m slowly discovering again how to think - at least on some things.

I’m not being hard on myself to despairing. If anything, I’m thankful for a bit of a wake-up. And it isn’t easy going forward just with work and school. I am thankful though to reflect on my own part in all of this, and how I could have done better, and hope to do better. With God’s help, I hope I can. It does show how much we need Him. I have a long way to go still.

Now I just HOPE our new priest is good for the community, and that he stays a while. I know the Greeks tend to move priests more than others. I hear he’s a retired military chaplain, but from a Greek family. At least he should be able to hear confessions.
 
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Thank you dear sister.

It’s funny, I feel like I’m slowly discovering again how to think - at least on some things.

I’m not being hard on myself to despairing. If anything, I’m thankful for a bit of a wake-up. And it isn’t easy going forward just with work and school. I am thankful though to reflect on my own part in all of this, and how I could have done better, and hope to do better. With God’s help, I hope I can. It does show how much we need Him. I have a long way to go still.

Now I just HOPE our new priest is good for the community, and that he stays a while. I know the Greeks tend to move priests more than others. I hear he’s a retired military chaplain, but from a Greek family. At least he should be able to hear confessions.
Yes, I understand. I inspect myself all the time on spiritual matters. It IS good to do that and keep awake and aware. I hope and pray your new priest is a blessing to your community. :)
 
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I don’t know how to judge this.

What I do know is that we have had four priests in 1.5 years. I know that when I was desperate to attend a Divine Liturgy, another priest I have known for years (the first one I actually talked to in person) turned me away when I called and asked to attend, saying there was “no room” for me as an outsider (though I have also attended their Bible classes, and attended Liturgy there sometimes). I know that I used to go to confession every 6-8 weeks at the direction of my SF, and I have been once during the summer of 2020, and that was already almost a year late. And for that I had to contact a priest in another city and drive about an hour. Not again since, and it’s a year now. Partly this is my fault, but it isn’t helped by several priests I approached telling me they were too busy, or they didn’t hear confessions, or they simply never replied to me asking. And Church was closed - we missed Pascha and Great Lent in 2020. My community is decimated - most of the people I loved as family are no longer there.

Part is my fault. I have allowed all of this to make me complacent, and I stopped asking after being turned down repeatedly. A little tickle in my throat and I stay home from Church when I could have gone (though to be fair I would have to lie to the policeman at the door who asks about symptoms before I fill out the form with my name and contact info and am given a sticker showing I am allowed to go in, after having temperature taken.

You know, writing all of that - I AM a bit angry. I’m not sure who or what I should direct that anger towards. And I am at fault too. There’s work, and school, practicum, and board certifications. I’ve allowed myself to become too busied. My faith has suffered. (And truthfully, I still plan to complete those things so it will still be hard for me.)

But the situation in the Church grieved me very much too.
It grieved me very much too, and it still does, because although the situation appears to be returning to normal there is still great reason to grieve, because what has been normal has not in reality been good. The pandemic showed us as we are, as other things are showing us as well, such as the lost generation and closings of many Churches.
 
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Yes, I understand. I inspect myself all the time on spiritual matters. It IS good to do that and keep awake and aware. I hope and pray your new priest is a blessing to your community. :)
Thank you. I hope he is too.
 
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It grieved me very much too, and it still does, because although the situation appears to be returning to normal there is still great reason to grieve, because what has been normal has not in reality been good. The pandemic showed us as we are, as other things are showing us as well, such as the lost generation and closings of many Churches.

Our parish appears to be changing. The last two priests did not continue the seniors ministry, which was the heart of our parish. We’ve lost many of our seniors (for other reasons too).

They did bring in young families, which is good. But pretty much all converts. The Orthodox youth are going. I’m very sure that must grieve their families too.

I used to teach Sunday School. I was surprised they allowed me to when I was only a couple of years Orthodox. Since then we’ve lost a lot of our teachers. I’ve seen new ones sometimes allowed to teach who were not even Orthodox yet.

I’m certainly no expert, but I’ve heard some very Protestant-sounding teaching. And I’m sure they were being sincere and doing the best they knew.

It’s a tragedy in so many ways.
 
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Our parish appears to be changing. The last two priests did not continue the seniors ministry, which was the heart of our parish. We’ve lost many of our seniors (for other reasons too).

They did bring in young families, which is good. But pretty much all converts. The Orthodox youth are going. I’m very sure that must grieve their families too.

I used to teach Sunday School. I was surprised they allowed me to when I was only a couple of years Orthodox. Since then we’ve lost a lot of our teachers. I’ve seen new ones sometimes allowed to teach who were not even Orthodox yet.

I’m certainly no expert, but I’ve heard some very Protestant-sounding teaching. And I’m sure they were being sincere and doing the best they knew.

It’s a tragedy in so many ways.

ugh, Lord have mercy
 
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I have to admit I get a little confused at times trying to understand proper safety measures & the objections of them undermining the faith. Personally, I believe the Orthodox Churches in the US put the faith & safety of their flocks in proper care in leading us through the crisis. When our archdiocese said what we need to keep the church clean & sanitized, I tried to cover all bases in my janitorial work at our parish.

There are developments that are unfolding, unrelated to covid 19, that seem just as concerning. For ex. an archbishop likely to be the next EP, seems to want to reduce Orthodoxy to being part of some concocted world religion:

elpidophoros all paths - Google Search

I asked a priest if this statement might have been snipped out of context. Also, I found an article on this statement that seemed to confirm the dread I have of this archbishop.

Did Archbishop Elpidophoros Espouse Heresy at the Religious Freedom Summit? - Orthodox Reflections

The priest I spoke with is even more skeptical & thinks the article that I forwarded to him was actually damage control for the archbishop. Fr. ( I am being confidential) told me that:

Hi Ed,

Just read the article. Sounds like they are making excuses for what he said. Don't know if I buy the whole "we have to watch what we say so the Turks don't persecute us in Constantinople". If you remember the interview on 60 minutes, with the Patriarch he was very outspoken about how they treated the church and was not afraid.
 
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I have to admit I get a little confused at times trying to understand proper safety measures & the objections of them undermining the faith. Personally, I believe the Orthodox Churches in the US put the faith & safety of their flocks in proper care in leading us through the crisis. When our archdiocese said what we need to keep the church clean & sanitized, I tried to cover all bases in my janitorial work at our parish.

There are developments that are unfolding, unrelated to covid 19, that seem just as concerning. For ex. an archbishop likely to be the next EP, seems to want to reduce Orthodoxy to being part of some concocted world religion:

elpidophoros all paths - Google Search

I asked a priest if this statement might have been snipped out of context. Also, I found an article on this statement that seemed to confirm the dread I have of this archbishop.

Did Archbishop Elpidophoros Espouse Heresy at the Religious Freedom Summit? - Orthodox Reflections

The priest I spoke with is even more skeptical & thinks the article that forwarded to him was actually damage control for the archbishop. Fr. ( I am being confidential) told me that:

Hi Ed,

Just read the article. Sounds like they are making excuses for what he said. Don't know if I buy the whole "we have to watch what we say so the Turks don't persecute us in Constantinople". If you remember the interview on 60 minutes, with the Patriarch he was very outspoken about how they treated the church and was not afraid.

That's the same thing happening with the Papacy. Just read the Vatican's response to the WCC (which most of your Orthodox jurisdictions are in) and it's about, only slightly ambigously, changing the papacy into the symbolic head of all religions.

This kind of thing pertains to all of us.
 
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I have to admit I get a little confused at times trying to understand proper safety measures & the objections of them undermining the faith. Personally, I believe the Orthodox Churches in the US put the faith & safety of their flocks in proper care in leading us through the crisis. When our archdiocese said what we need to keep the church clean & sanitized, I tried to cover all bases in my janitorial work at our parish.

There are developments that are unfolding, unrelated to covid 19, that seem just as concerning. For ex. an archbishop likely to be the next EP, seems to want to reduce Orthodoxy to being part of some concocted world religion:

elpidophoros all paths - Google Search

I asked a priest if this statement might have been snipped out of context. Also, I found an article on this statement that seemed to confirm the dread I have of this archbishop.

Did Archbishop Elpidophoros Espouse Heresy at the Religious Freedom Summit? - Orthodox Reflections

The priest I spoke with is even more skeptical & thinks the article that I forwarded to him was actually damage control for the archbishop. Fr. ( I am being confidential) told me that:

Hi Ed,

Just read the article. Sounds like they are making excuses for what he said. Don't know if I buy the whole "we have to watch what we say so the Turks don't persecute us in Constantinople". If you remember the interview on 60 minutes, with the Patriarch he was very outspoken about how they treated the church and was not afraid.
I think those who think the covid restrictions are overdone because they believe we are always to look at our own mortality and death and to look to the eternal life ahead, as this world is temporary. That and the terrible belief that people can get sick from receiving the Holy Body and Blood of Christ (which I personally think is blasphemous and having no faith, which I know sounds harsh, but I tend to speak very straight forward and bluntly. Please forgive me. I think it's the Greek blood in me).

Yes, I've seen that about Archbishop Elpidophoros. To me, he needs to be removed. It's around the third thing he's done since he's been put in that position that are questionable and disturbing. To me, his concelebrating with Episcopalians at their church's liturgy on the name day of St. Bartholomew (or was it St. Andrew?), which is totally WRONG. That was the last straw for me.
 
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Our parish appears to be changing. The last two priests did not continue the seniors ministry, which was the heart of our parish. We’ve lost many of our seniors (for other reasons too).

They did bring in young families, which is good. But pretty much all converts. The Orthodox youth are going. I’m very sure that must grieve their families too.

I used to teach Sunday School. I was surprised they allowed me to when I was only a couple of years Orthodox. Since then we’ve lost a lot of our teachers. I’ve seen new ones sometimes allowed to teach who were not even Orthodox yet.

I’m certainly no expert, but I’ve heard some very Protestant-sounding teaching. And I’m sure they were being sincere and doing the best they knew.

It’s a tragedy in so many ways.
Lord have mercy.
 
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i'm not in any way a fan of Abp. Elpidophoros, but in context, his statement from the conference seems to be more about a state elevating one religion over the other and so tending towards totalitarianism. But at the same time, its hard not to think the wording was carefully chosen to sound ecumenistic.
 
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