Birthdays and the Bible

[Not David]

This is roughly the equivalent of mentioning that they shop at Walmart, even though it's not mentioned in the Bible.

Yet there are people who do that. Not even when I was evangelical that idea came to my mind. I always associated it with JWs.

 

[Phil 1:21]

Yet there are people who do that.

Shop at Walmart?

 

[Hazelelponi]

Of course, it is religious, you are celebrating the moment of the Incarnation. It wouldn't be secular, would it be?

Santa Clause? Billions of dollars spent in decorations and presents? Oh it's just oh so religious isn't it? "Happy Holidays" lumping eid observances (when possible), Hanukkah and more in just emphasizes that Christ has nothing to do with this holiday in the west

Of course it's not a religious observance and your post here equating it to shopping at WalMart and birthday celebrations only serves to emphasise that fact.

Now, if in your heart you want to observe a date that Christ was born go ahead, but its something on your heart and has nothing to do with being a command of God - it's a cultural choice and that is all..

Our Lord and Savior could have been born a million times and wouldn't be the Messiah and Savior if He had not died and rose again on the third day..

And THAT is why we observe Passover in honor of His victory, and in celebration of our salvation..

Now look who refuses to celebrate that day and you may know who is and is not Christian. if you care to know the truth about people..

But Christmas? Give me a break.. let people do what is in their hearts.

 

[Hazelelponi]

Shop at Walmart?

Oh the horror.. lol

 

[Phil 1:21]

Oh the horror.. lol

Ever have to navigate around a gaggle of teenagers who think the motorized handicap scooters are go carts? It can be quite perilous.

 

[Not David]

Santa Clause? Billions of dollars spent in decorations and presents? Oh it's just oh so religious isn't it? "Happy Holidays" lumping eid observances (when possible), Hanukkah and more in just emphasizes that Christ has nothing to do with this holiday in the west

Of course it's not a religious observance and your post here equating it to shopping at WalMart and birthday celebrations only serves to emphasise that fact.

Now, if in your heart you want to observe a date that Christ was born go ahead, but its something on your heart and has nothing to do with being a command of God - it's a cultural choice and that is all..

Our Lord and Savior could have been born a million times and wouldn't be the Messiah and Savior if He had not died and rose again on the third day..

And THAT is why we are commanded to observe Passover in honor of His victory, and in celebration of our salvation..

Now look who refuses to celebrate that day and you will know who is and is not saved.. if you care to know the truth..

But Christmas? Give me a break.. let people do what is in their hearts.

1) I never mentioned shopping and doing that kind of stuff, I said celebrating the birth of our Lord.
2) There are people who say we shouldn't celebrate Easter because it is "pagan" and the Bible says nothing about it. Also, that celebration can be affected by materialism too and "Easter eggs and rabbit" but it is not what the world does or thinks but what we believe.
3) Like I said, celebration of the birth of Christ has existed since really early in Church History as a community. Individualism was never part of God's purpose for his Holy Church.

 

[Hazelelponi]

1) I never mentioned shopping and doing that kind of stuff, I said celebrating the birth of our Lord.
2) There are people who say we shouldn't celebrate Easter because it is "pagan" and the Bible says nothing about it. Also, that celebration can be affected by materialism too and "Easter eggs and rabbit" but it is not what the world does or thinks but what we believe.
3) Like I said, celebration of the birth of Christ has existed since really early in Church History as a community. Individualism was never part of God's purpose for his Holy Church.

1) The birth of Christ wasn't even dated until the 4th century..

2) The Easter bunny is pagan and it's not a substitute for celebrating the death and resurrection of the Savior.

3) I'm not individualist, I'm just a person who doesn't believe the traditions of men are equal to the commands of God - or substitutes for them.

Period.

 

[Not David]

Shop at Walmart?

Think if the Bible does not tell you to do something it is evil and from the devil.

 

[Phil 1:21]

Think if the Bible does not tell you to do something it is evil and from the devil.

Sure. If you say so.

 

[Not David]

1) The birth of Christ wasn't even dated until the 4th century..

2) The Easter bunny is pagan and it's not a substitute for celebrating the death and resurrection of the Savior.

3) I'm not individualist, I'm just a person who doesn't believe the traditions of men are equal to the commands of God - or substitutes for them.

Period.

"Tradition of man".

 

[Not David]

Sure. If you say so.

People here have said that. I am not even saying it is all who believe in Sola Scriptura but the Biblicists only.

 

[Phil 1:21]

Think if the Bible does not tell you to do something it is evil and from the devil.

Sure. If you say so.

People here have said that. I am not even saying it is all who believe in Sola Scriptura but the Biblicists only.

Would you mind providing some examples?

 

[Hazelelponi]

"Tradition of man".

Traditions of men. (plural)

So - if you care to prove where it is written that I will go to hell for refusing to carry a tree into my house or celebrate the birth of our Savior the same as western society does I'll listen

And if you want to speak against those who believe it's forbidden to celebrate Christmas ill stand with you

But I will not sit and let you say that those who DONT celebrate Christmas or birthdays are not Christian.. because I'm Christian too; a Baptist not a JW..

 

[Chris V++]

Isn't only October 2nd. Isn't it still too early to have the Christmas debate? Shouldn't the Halloween debate come first? It's way too early in the year to try to get into or out of the Christmas spirit.

 

[Chris V++]

The Old Testament has examples where the Jews compromised and muddied their culture and then needed reform. Why did God allow Solomon's Temple to get destroyed to begin with, then allowed to be rebuilt, then destroyed a second time? Even the kingdom was divided early on. Maybe Christians trod the same path of the Jews and the East/West schism, the reformation and subsequent 10000 denominations are just God ordained consequences of our own Christian brand of hubris. So if someone fears partaking in a holiday for fear of offending God then let them abstain.

 

[PaulCyp1]

No-one believes that "everything" has to come from the Bible. Protestants hold the erroneous belief that everything we believe within the context of our religion has to come from the Bible, but of course the beliefs of each denomination contradict the beliefs of the others, and hundreds of conflicting beliefs cannot all come from the Bible. Birthdays are not a religious belief, so even for those who accept the above false belief, there is no reason to refrain from celebrating birthdays, or from wearing yellow clothing, or from driving a car, or from anything else that the Bible doesn't address.

 

[JoeP222w]

If we're starting a pool, I'll take the square for "Failed attempt #4,978 to refute Sola Scriptura."

Well written. I would add, if I could, "by misrepresenting Sola Scriptura and thus creating a Straw Man."

 

[redleghunter]

Think if the Bible does not tell you to do something it is evil and from the devil.

Pagans and Christians shopped in the 1st century in the same shops.

 

[redleghunter]

People here have said that. I am not even saying it is all who believe in Sola Scriptura but the Biblicists only.

It’s normal on these sites for folks to believe they know what Sola Scriptura means. You are obviously promoting a fallacious version.

 

[FatalHeart]

This is a question for those who believe everything has to come from the Bible: Why do you celebrate birthdays if those are also celebrated by pagan cultures and the few references to a birthday celebration are about heathens?

I think the greater question would be, if I set apart a day and call it special for myself, what business is that to you?